Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[Storm Force]

IMO outside of USA the french have consistently BUILT and developed the best combat planes.

Mirage series HAS been a HUGE success story for DASSULT

PAF have done well to have chosen this as their mainstay fighter for so long

 

[fatman17]

IMO outside of USA the french have consistently BUILT and developed the best combat planes.

Mirage series HAS been a HUGE success story for DASSULT

PAF have done well to have chosen this as their mainstay fighter for so long

PAF Mirages are clearly past their prime except for 40 odd Mirages which were extensively upgraded for the night strike/nuclear role.

 

[Tempest II]

@warnesyworld: Pak AF Air Cdre (ret) Saeed revealed In his presentation here that SAGEM proposed a ROSE IV upgrade based on Egyptian Mirage modernisation.

Presented at: http://tangentlink.com/event/military-mro-asia/

 

[Najam Khan]

Mirages true potential in ground role was (and is) still not shared in public/media/press. In late90s, PAF put some research on these machines and manage to enhance the performance its in basic design. Some local projects (and some co-started projects with SouthAfrican/French Aviation industry) like FLIR/STOW and Recce version's upgrade were some reasons we saw PAF eagerly going for Mirages.

If these Mirages had not developed that much potential after ROSE upgrades and local work, then PAF had either went for more F-7 (and later F-7MG variants). By no means Mirages were economical as compare to F-7s/F-6s, but the strength it added to PAF's surface attack/recce role was far more valuable.

 

[Nishan_101]

Mirages true potential in ground role was (and is) still not shared in public/media/press. In late90s, PAF put some research on these machines and manage to enhance the performance its in basic design. Some local projects (and some co-started projects with SouthAfrican/French Aviation industry) like FLIR/STOW and Recce version's upgrade were some reasons we saw PAF eagerly going for Mirages.

If these Mirages had not developed that much potential after ROSE upgrades and local work, then PAF had either went for more F-7 (and later F-7MG variants). By no means Mirages were economical as compare to F-7s/F-6s, but the strength it added to PAF's surface attack/recce role was far more valuable.

Although there might be some reasons behind, but I thought that if PAF had got it hands early on Labanese, Libyan & Australian Mirages then it would be great and even offer Egypt to buy or license produce Mirage-2000 and replace their Mirage Vs which are about 80 of them.

 

[muse]

Mirage 5 was specifically developed per israeli specs and for precisely the kind of groun attack that Najam Khan suggests

 

[Nishan_101]

Although now we all are expecting that with 100+ JF-17 Block-II we might going to replace the Mirages....

 

[shanixee]

Mirages true potential in ground role was (and is) still not shared in public/media/press. In late90s, PAF put some research on these machines and manage to enhance the performance its in basic design. Some local projects (and some co-started projects with SouthAfrican/French Aviation industry) like FLIR/STOW and Recce version's upgrade were some reasons we saw PAF eagerly going for Mirages.

If these Mirages had not developed that much potential after ROSE upgrades and local work, then PAF had either went for more F-7 (and later F-7MG variants). By no means Mirages were economical as compare to F-7s/F-6s, but the strength it added to PAF's surface attack/recce role was far more valuable.

Then why PAF extensively used F16 in fata operation. simply because Mirages are still not even close to 80 era F16 in ground attack

 

[SQ8]

Then why PAF extensively used F16 in fata operation. simply because Mirages are still not even close to 80 era F16 in ground attack

A quite ill informed statement. As the Mirages and A-5's all took part in FATA. However.. you cant bill the Americans for Mirage spares..

 

[Bamboo Castle]

salam every one,

LETS HAVE A TALK ON DETAILED CAPABILITIES OF MIRAGE FIGHTER/ BOMBER.
because ROSE upgraded mirage still have to serve at least 10 more years.


BASIC DETAILS

DIMENSIONS:
Length 49.29 ft (15.03 m)
Wingspan 26.96 ft (8.22 m)
Height 14.75 ft (4.50 m)
Wing Area 375 ft² (34.85 m²)



WEIGHTS:
Empty 15,540 lb (7,050 kg)
Normal Takeoff 21,165 lb (9,600 kg)
Max Takeoff 30,205 lb (13,700 kg)
Fuel Capacity internal: 880 gal (3,340 L)
external: unknown
Max Payload

8,820 lb (4,000 kg)


PROPULSION:
Powerplant one SNECMA Atar 9C afterburning turbojet
Thrust 13,670 lb (60.8 kN) with afterburner


PERFORMANCE:
Max Level Speed at altitude: 1,460 mph (2,350 km/h) at 39,370 ft (12,000 m), Mach 2.2
at sea level: 863 mph (1,390 km/h), Mach 1.14
Initial Climb Rate 16,400 ft (5,000 m) / min
Service Ceiling 55,755 ft (17,000 m)
Range typical: 1,294 nm (2,400 km)
ferry: 2,160 nm (4,000 km)
g-Limits unknown


ARMAMENT:
Gun two 30-mm DEFA 552A cannons (125 rds ea)
Stations five external hardpoints
Air-to-Air Missile AIM-9 Sidewinder, Matra R.530, Matra 550 Magic
Air-to-Surface Missile AS.30, AS.37, Wasp
Bomb 250/400 kg bombs
Other rocket pods, ECM pods





detail of ROSE upgrades.

ROSE I
New head-up display (HUD).
New "hands on throttle and stick" (HOTAS) controls.
New multi-function displays (MFD).
New navigation systems on diaplay screen including an inertial navigation system (An Inertial Navigation System (INS) is a navigation aid that uses a computer, motion sensors (accelerometers) and rotation sensors (gyroscopes) to continuously calculate via dead reckoning the position, orientation, and velocity (direction and speed of movement) of a moving object without the need for external references. ) and GPS system.

New radar warning receiver (RWR), electronic counter-measures (ECM) suite and counter-measure dispensing system, dispensing decoy flares and chaff to confuse enemy missiles and radar.

FIAR Grifo M3 radar.
Beyond visual range (BVR) capability.
AIM-9L Sidewinder, AM39 (70–180 kilometres) etc
Add on of In-flight refuelling probes
RA'AD Cruise Missil.

ROSE II

Enhanced night-time surface strike capability.
SAGEM Forward-Looking Infra-Red (FLIR) system.

ROSE II fighters the capability to fly safely in the dark at very low level to avoid radar.

Few unknown enhancments.

ROSE III

New SAGEM navigation/attack avionics suite.
Mirage 5 ROSE III fighters and specialise in night-time surface strike missions.

Still not quite ready to take on enemy fighters. Even after rose 1, 2 & 3 they are still no match against JF-17 or HAL tejas. Su-27, Su-30, Mig-29, F-16 are out of the question. However, they can prove good against J-7, Q-5, A-4, F-5 and Mig-21. Now, the problem is, countries are withdrawing those (J-7, Q-5, A-4, F-5 and Mig-21) from service. So who will the upgraded aircraft fight against??

In my opinion the Rose 1, 2 & 3 was a total waste of your tax payers valuable money and is a way your politicians got rich. With $150ml in 1992 buying power your govt. could have ordered for 20 brand new F-16/Mirage 2000 or 24 brand new Mig-29.

 

[Bratva]

 

[Fieldmarshal]

Still not quite ready to take on enemy fighters. Even after rose 1, 2 & 3 they are still no match against JF-17 or HAL tejas. Su-27, Su-30, Mig-29, F-16 are out of the question. However, they can prove good against J-7, Q-5, A-4, F-5 and Mig-21. Now, the problem is, countries are withdrawing those (J-7, Q-5, A-4, F-5 and Mig-21) from service. So who will the upgraded aircraft fight against??

In my opinion the Rose 1, 2 & 3 was a total waste of your tax payers valuable money and is a way your politicians got rich. With $150ml in 1992 buying power your govt. could have ordered for 20 brand new F-16/Mirage 2000 or 24 brand new Mig-29.

your analysis is way way off.
plz go through the forum n u might know how wrong u r

 

[jamesseo89]

I think PAF mirages are multi role ones. INSHA ALLAH they will soon going to be replaced with up coming 100 JF-17 Block-II with dual seat and 100 JF-17 Block-III with dual seat. Ameen
Along with J-31s which some people say belongs to PAC as well.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

I think PAF mirages are multi role ones. INSHA ALLAH they will soon going to be replaced with up coming 100 JF-17 Block-II with dual seat and 100 JF-17 Block-III with dual seat. Ameen

Along with J-31s which some people say belongs to PAC as well.

This is Nishan_101, i swear to god this is him .....
Same wishing style and Ameen or Inshallah in the end, "Along with" in every second sentence and above all PAC is interested & partner in every thing on earth.

Kill it before it lays eggs

 

[jamesseo89]

Who is Nishan??