Can we say USA has invaded Chinese territory Taiwan?

[kankan326]

Taiwan has been a de facto independent state for the last 70+ years and the whole world knows it. No one cares about the symbolism and semantics.

Too many people have the same view on Taiwan with this guy. I want to say something about this view: Why Taiwan has been de facto independent for 70 years? Has China mainland given up all attempts and efforts to reunify Taiwan since the first day of the 70+ years? If that is the case I would say it is reasonable to say Taiwan is a de facto independent state. No problem with that. But the reality is, it's US that used its military power to prevent China mainland's all efforts to reunify its territory. That's the only reason. When the PRC was just established in 1949, CCP government planed to buy warships from UK and Soviet Union to prepare for the upcoming crossing strait war. Next year the Korea war broke out. US sent its Seventh Fleet to block the Taiwan strait. CCP had to abort the plan because China's navy was too weak in front of the seventh fleet. In 1996, Taiwan's president Lee Teng-hui made a speech about "一边一国“ （Each side of the strait is a country). Which for the first time showed separatism attitude from Taiwan government. Did Chinese do nothing about the separatism attitude? Chinese government held massive military excercises and actually planned to start the stait war later. But once again US sent its seventh fleet to the strait.

If a country uses military measures to force another country to give up whole or part of territory, I guess this can be defined as "invasion". So far US has not denied its "one China" policy. But we all know it is approaching the red line day by day. When the day US crosses the red line. The definition of "invasion" will be authenticated. When some day China launches strait war, I hope all of you don't say "China invades Taiwan". You should say it is a war against aggression of US.

The existence of Taiwan issue, is a result of US bullying China. If anyone says China's reunification war is an "invasion", that means he recognizes the status quo created by military actions. You should not blame Russia for annexing Crimea and Donbass. Ukraine should be called as invader.

 

[VCheng]

Why Taiwan has been a de facto independent for 70 years?

Because the communists deposed the rightful government of China in 1948, which then moved to one of its provinces Taiwan. Taiwan claims to be the government for all of China, and the communist overthrowers claim the same.

The rest of the world recognizes one or the other as the rightful government to ALL of China. USA recognizes the Taiwanese government as having jurisdiction over Taiwan, and the communist party as having jurisdiction over mainland China. It has nothing to do with what either side wants from the other.

If China claims all of Taiwan, then Taiwan has an equally valid claim to all of mainland China.

 

[kankan326]

Because the communist deposed the rightful government of China in 1948, which then moved to one of its province Taiwan. Taiwan claims to be the government for all of China, and the communist overthrowers claim the same.

The rest of the world recognizes one or the other as the rightful government to ALL of China. USA recognizes the Taiwanese government as having jurisdiction over Taiwan, and the communist party as having jurisdiction over mainland China. It has nothing to do with what either side wants from the other.

If China claims all of Taiwan, then Taiwan has an equally valid claim to all of mainland China.

No need to play word game now. The basic fact is, China mainland and Taiwan are still in civil war. No one should call the civil war as "invasion".

 

[VCheng]

The basic fact is, China mainland and Taiwan are still in civil war.

And each side claims ALL of the other's land as its own as the rightful government of ALL of China. Why accept only the communists claims? The previous government they deposed has an equally valid claim. No word play here. Historically correct facts.

 

[kankan326]

And each side claims ALL of the other's land as its own as the rightful government of ALL of China. Why accept only the communists claims? The previous government they deposed has an equally valid claim. No word play here. Historically correct facts.

You may not believe this. When Taiwan was ruled by the KMT and claimed they will launch war to reunify China mainland, CCP government was actually happy to hear that. Because it meant Taiwan government still recognize it's a "Chinese" government. But that's a long go story now. The present Taiwan government does not think it's a Chinese government. DPP members hate any word related with "China". Do you think there is any possiblity that Taiwan wants to claim China mainland as its territory?

 

[VCheng]

You may not believe this. When Taiwan was ruled by the KMT and claimed they will launch war to reunify China mainland, CCP government was actually happy to hear that. Because it meant Taiwan government still recognize it's a "Chinese" government. But that's a long go story now. The present Taiwan government does not think it's a Chinese government. DPP members hate any word related with "China". Do you think there is any possiblity that Taiwan wants to claim China mainland as its territory?

Historical facts are facts, that is all.

 

[Zsari]

And each side claims ALL of the other's land as its own as the rightful government of ALL of China. Why accept only the communists claims? The previous government they deposed has an equally valid claim. No word play here. Historically correct facts.

Yes. The conflict is certainly between the two governments on who is the true representative of China which Taiwan is a province of, and that by definition is a civil war. What gives PRC legitimacy over ROC is that it is recognized by most countries in the world and the UN as the legitimate government of China.

 

[Foinikas]

Too many people have the same view about Taiwan with this guy. I want to say something about this view: Why Taiwan has been a de facto independent for 70 years? Has China mainland given up all attempts and efforts to reunify Taiwan since the first day of the 70+ years? If that is the case I would say it is reasonable to say Taiwan is a de facto independent state. No problem with that. But the reality is, it's US that used its military power to prevent China mainland's all efforts to reunify its territory. That's the only reason. When the PRC was just established in 1949, CCP government planed to buy warships from UK and Soviet Union to prepare the upcoming crossing strait war. Next year the Korea war broke out. US sent its Seventh Fleet to block the Taiwan strait. CCP had to abort the plan because China's navy was too weak in front of the seventh fleet. In 1996, Taiwan's president Lee Teng-hui made a speech about "一边一国“ （Each side of the strait is a country). Which for the first time showed separatism attitude from Taiwan government. Did Chinese do nothing about the separatism attitude? Chinese government held massive military excercises and actually planned to start the stait war later. But once again US sent its seventh fleet to the stait.

If a country uses its military power to force another country to give up whole or part of territory, I guess this can be defined as "invasion". So far US has not denied its "one China" policy. But we all know it is approaching the red line day by day. When the day US crosses the red line. The definition of "invasion" will be autenticated. When some day China launches strait war, I hope all of you don't say "China invade Taiwan". You should say it is a war against aggression of US.

The existence of Taiwan issue, is a result of US bullying China. If anyone says China's reunification war is an "invasion", that means he recognizes the status quo created by military actions. You should not blame Russia for annexing Crimea and Donbass. Ukraine should be called as invader.

Man,you have to take into account though,that Taiwan never wanted to join the PRC from the beginning. You can't blame the Americans,when you were preparing to forcefully take Taiwan.

 

[Song Hong]

Man,you have to take into account though,that Taiwan never wanted to join the PRC from the beginning. You can't blame the Americans,when you were preparing to forcefully take Taiwan.

The US Confederate never wanted to join the federation.

Few years after Taiwan reunification, they no longer want to quit Greater China.

 

[Foinikas]

The US Confederate never wanted to join the federation.

Few years after Taiwan reunification, they no longer want to quit Greater China.

The US civil war though lasted for about 4-5 years at most.

Taiwan has been a de facto country for more than 70 years.

 

[kankan326]

Man,you have to take into account though,that Taiwan never wanted to join the PRC from the beginning. You can't blame the Americans,when you were preparing to forcefully take Taiwan.

1, What People in Taiwan think doesn't matter. Because it can not change the fact that Taiwan belongs to China. They can leave China's territory at any time.
2. Have you noticed that almost all Chinese members in this forum support Chinese government? I wonder why those who believe CCP is evil never took this phenomenon into account. We live in China and know CCP better than western meida. We are not brainwashed by CCP since we have access to western media like youtube and facebook etc. So there is another possiblity left. Those who believe CCP is evil are the ones who are brainwashed. If you can speak Chinese you would know how badly Taiwanese are brainwashed.

 

[Foinikas]

1, What People in Taiwan think doesn't matter. Because it can not change the fact that Taiwan belongs to China. They can leave China's territory at any time.

One can argue that the ROC was the legitimate government of China then,that was forced to retreat to Taiwan. From the communist point of view the PRC was the legitimate government and from the ROC/Taiwan point of view,that they were the real government of China.

2. Have you noticed that almost all Chinese members in this forum support Chinese government?

Question: Could they do otherwise?

We live in China and know CCP better than western meida. We are not brainwashed by CCP since we have access to western media like youtube and facebook etc. So there is another possiblity left. Those who believe CCP is evil are the ones who are brainwashed. If you can speak Chinese you would know how badly Taiwanese are brainwashed.

Trying to reunite with Taiwan by conquering them or through threats and show of strength,is aggression and not brotherly at all.

 

[GodToons]

Too many people have the same view about Taiwan with this guy. I want to say something about this view: Why Taiwan has been a de facto independent for 70 years? Has China mainland given up all attempts and efforts to reunify Taiwan since the first day of the 70+ years? If that is the case I would say it is reasonable to say Taiwan is a de facto independent state. No problem with that. But the reality is, it's US that used its military power to prevent China mainland's all efforts to reunify its territory. That's the only reason. When the PRC was just established in 1949, CCP government planed to buy warships from UK and Soviet Union to prepare for the upcoming crossing strait war. Next year the Korea war broke out. US sent its Seventh Fleet to block the Taiwan strait. CCP had to abort the plan because China's navy was too weak in front of the seventh fleet. In 1996, Taiwan's president Lee Teng-hui made a speech about "一边一国“ （Each side of the strait is a country). Which for the first time showed separatism attitude from Taiwan government. Did Chinese do nothing about the separatism attitude? Chinese government held massive military excercises and actually planned to start the stait war later. But once again US sent its seventh fleet to the stait.

If a country uses its military measures to force another country to give up whole or part of territory, I guess this can be defined as "invasion". So far US has not denied its "one China" policy. But we all know it is approaching the red line day by day. When the day US crosses the red line. The definition of "invasion" will be autenticated. When some day China launches strait war, I hope all of you don't say "China invade Taiwan". You should say it is a war against aggression of US.

The existence of Taiwan issue, is a result of US bullying China. If anyone says China's reunification war is an "invasion", that means he recognizes the status quo created by military actions. You should not blame Russia for annexing Crimea and Donbass. Ukraine should be called as invader.

Well, not sure of this, however, we can say that China occupied Tibet against their wishes in 1949, then inner Mongolia. Now want to settle a few more countries using some funny maps which have no authenticity.

 

[beijingwalker]

The US civil war though lasted for about 4-5 years at most.

Taiwan has been a de facto country for more than 70 years.

East and west Germany got reunited after half a century, north korea and south Korea now are still divided, China got Hong kong back after 100 years, who told you there's time limit for a nation's reunificationn?

 

[kankan326]

One can argue that the ROC was the legitimate government of China then,that was forced to retreat to Taiwan. From the communist point of view the PRC was the legitimate government and from the ROC/Taiwan point of view,that they were the real government of China.

As Taiwanese themselves said, ROC has already died. You are saying something Taiwanese themselves don't accept as their country's name. The only reason "ROC" is still there because they don't dare to cross the red line drawn by China. I think you are wasting your time talking about ROC.

Question: Could they do otherwise?

Of course we can do oterhwise if we don't like CCP. In Chinese media platforms, too many people, including Taiwanese troll army who pretend to be mainland Chinese badmouth Chinese government.

Trying to reunite with Taiwan by conquering them or through threats and show of strength,is aggression and not brotherly at all.

Territory is a public asset which belongs to all citizens. Taiwan also belongs to mainland Chinese. You can not say the bus is your because you are in it. We have the right to kick you out.