WRONG WRONG WRONG. If private companies are just government extended arms, then China will decide to have hundreds of alibabas as much as it wants. Lol same with India, India would have done the same and any other country for that matter. its not that simple or easy as you think .
In fact the US will decide to have dozens of space X tomorrow and get them then . Lol
Moreover Space X is doing things NASA /US government didn't never even did/ventured into. Reason they are now sidelining even NASA since even NASA has realised that space X does things even better and more effectively/efficiently than they do. Starship and starling are just a few of many examples.
Its ridiculous for you to say private companies are just government sponsored arms. Why can't the government just stick to doing it themselves then? Lol
This is a fact. If private companies could randomly pop up and make superior SLVs from the word go, even Iran and Turkey would be getting such SLVs, It is really strange that SpaceX directly started launching sophisticated SLVs without having any existence prior to 2000. If making a SLV takes only 6-7 years, why is Turkey, Iran etc not able to do that or any other country do that? Saudi Arabia will pay you $20 billion annually for next 6 years if you can give them a fully functioning SLV.
I disagree. You are making it sound like it's because India never wanted to developed such heavy lift rockets. Dude, that's just ridiculous. India never had the capabilities to, reason you have been using ESA to do that for your heavy launches. Your space company to their credit have been trying really hard to develop a rocket the loft capacity of long march 3/falcon9/Japan's H-IIA, Russian Proton rockets etc for the past decades for example. Reason you guys came up with GSLV III. Eventhough as you said, you guys are still trying to master/perfect it. So it's commendable what you guys are doing, but to act as if you guys didn't really want or focus on that is rather deceiving .
I have read this clearly that Indian aim is to develop a 6ton launch capability and after that go for ULV design which is a single rocket with modular design that can be used to launch 1ton satellite to 6ton satellite by simply adding or removing the stages and boosters. India has no reason to seek a launcher with 6+ton payload.
I don't deny that Indian current GSLV 3 is not upto the mark with only 4ton payload, Indian intent is to substitute current NDMH engine with Semicryogenic engine to increase the payload to 6tons. But India has no intent of increasing above 6tons.
Dude, why you are trying to be deceptive? I showed your links and diagrams which you own space agency has publicly said they are trying and working hard on developing far heavier launchers above 4 and 6 tons you mentioned. So why are you still claiming you guys have no intention of doing so?
just because others already have it doesn't means you should be embarrassed to admit you guys are trying to do so. No shame in admitting that. If anything it should be commended that you guysbarr trying not laughed at.
Agree, exactly what I have been saying no denying that.
You are the one being deceptive. ISRO intends to develop ULV:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Launch_Vehicle
The heavy lift vehicle is an artwork done by some artist. It has no relevance in ISRO's decision. ISRO
does not want any SLV with more than 6ton payload. Try to understand the reality instead of showing artwork
And you think the Chinese, Americans and even Russians will just staying there waiting for India? You think they are not moving ahead as well? If anything they are working even faster, got more experience and investing even more than India. Won't be surprised if the gap will only grow bigger actually unfortunately.
India will need to invest alot(and mean a ton lot more) and probably give more resources to your space program than what you guys are currently doing to even start closing the gap. However, India also has to consider its other much more pressing social/developmental needs and so priorities might differ.
so not sure if the gap will close or increase as time goes on, Since from what I'm seeing from the US/China and even Russia plans for this next decade is even more ambitious. Plus they got the means to achieve it roughly on that time frame.
In fact even the Japanese are even ahead of you guys as well(something many forget) and they have bolder plans and have actually succeeded in landing on and retrieving a samples from an asteroid about a 1billion km away from earth(they have actually done so twice). Shows you the capabilities these agencies have as well and what they are working on in future( yes the mission was also launched on their heavy launch rocket, so yet again size does matter). So we shouldn't write off others as well, the Japanese seem to do their missions on a low profile though. since what they have done as well is really impressive (they are actually the first country to ever do so if I'm correct) but they seldom talk much (guess it's an east Asian trait thing. Lol ).
Do you think technology improves linearly in an unlimited manner? There is always a saturation and when that is reached others will catch up. Indian space agencies are mainly geared towards developing defence capabilities and India has more than enough technology for that. Indian earth observation satellites are extremely advanced and have SAR capabilities in addition to optical ones. Indian communications satellites also possess enough power to assist video links from military assets. The only part where India is lacking is in SLVs with 4+ton capacity which is also in the making. I don't see how any other country will increase its gap with India.
Japan is just a vassal of USA which was occupied after WW2. Japanese satellites are simplistic and don't have complex SAR or surveillance capabilities. Comparing Japan is a joke. They are silent because they are just vassals with no real technology
Dude space X is several decades ahead of anything India can even come close to, to be honest, I'm not even trying to put India down by saying this. That's if space X stop all their space activity today and remain static for several decades.
In fact you saying they will get in trouble in future "due to funds" or whatever is just laughable. If anything SpaceX will only grow even more this coming decades. They are barely just getting started dude(and look at what they have already achieved). The plans they have for the coming years (won't even say future) is something many people only imagine was possible in dreams/science fiction. Moreover they are moving at a speed few can even match.
You saying that all these development of advanced heavy lift launchers is just a waste is more than laughable and just ridiculous. I don't even know what to say to that.
Moreover space X alone is making even more money from commercial contracts they gain from government and foreign companies/agencies than your country's entire space agency. So they are doing just fine. They have even more in the pipeline this coming years when starlink is operational they will make even more money(first Internet of its kind in space which people around the globe can use). So I see no reason why you should be pessimistic about them anymore than about Indias space program viability.
Note that I didn't even count the commercial and strategic implications their totally reusable starship program will have for all of us this coming years.
Have some common sense. I have stated clearly that SpaceX technology is based on NASA, not something it built on its own. Earlier NASA would launch satellites but now it has been relegated to SpaceX and NASA has stopped launching altogether. It is USA govt policy to
socialise the cost and privatise the profits. SpaceX has nothing of its own to show.
Secondly, I don't really see how SpaceX is so advanced or what purpose such advanceness serve. SpaceX definitely has innovative technology like reusable 1st stage etc. But in terms of utility, even an ISRO's 6ton rocket can do everything India needs once it is developed. Since indian intent is mostly on defence usage, the 6ton SLV will be more than enough to serve Indian needs.
Taking an example, the Ak47 developed in 1940s still holds ground despite 70+ years flowing and many advancements being made. This is because no matter how much innovations are done, the core technology saturated and hence anything more has only limited value.
