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California Asian-Americans show strength in blocking affirmative action revival

By Katy Murphy

Stunned by an unexpected uprising within their party's minority base, Democratic lawmakers on Monday dropped a push to reverse California's 16-year-old ban on affirmative action in college admissions.

Constitutional Amendment 5 -- which would have put the issue before voters -- cleared the state Senate in late January on a party-line vote. But as word of the bill spread, so did resistance, mostly from families concerned that race-conscious admission policies would unfairly disadvantage Asian applicants to the intensely competitive University of California system and its flagship campuses, Berkeley and UCLA.

The strong opposition and quick success of a relatively small and reliably Democratic ethnic group -- 14 percent of the state's population in 2012 -- revealed a new political strength.

The bill's rapid demise culminated with about-face by three Asian-American senators who voted for the bill in January. And its author, Sen. Ed Hernandez, D-West Covina, is making no promises about its revival.

"I'd like to bring it back," Hernandez said in a phone interview. "I believe in it. I believe we need to make sure there's equal opportunity for everyone in the state of California."

Republicans won't go along with that, their state Senate leader said Monday. "Republicans will continue to oppose this measure in any way, shape or form," said Senate Minority Leader Bob Huff, R-Diamond Bar.

Black, Latino and Native American students made up almost 54 percent of California's high school graduates in 2012 -- but just 27 percent of all freshmen, UC-wide, and 16 percent of UC Berkeley's freshmen class that year.

Few issues are as personal to voters as education, which explains the intense negative reaction some had to the bill, said Bill Whalen, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, a conservative policy analysis group at Stanford University.

"This was remarkably bad politics on the Democrats' part," Whalen said. "I can think of few things more destructive than pitting one constituency of a party against another."

Last week, saying they had received thousands of calls and emails from constituents, Senators Leland Yee, D-San Francisco; Ted Lieu, D-Torrance; and Carol Liu, D-La Cañada/Flintridge asked Assembly Speaker John Perez to stop the bill.

"As lifelong advocates for the Asian-American and other communities, we would never support a policy that we believed would negatively impact our children," they wrote in a letter to Perez.

In 1996, California became the first state to outlaw affirmative action in public university admissions and state hiring, a policy that took effect in 1998. The amendment would have allowed voters to lift that ban, either this fall or in 2016.

Hernandez and others have said that misinformation about what affirmative action would mean -- such as racial quotas for new freshmen -- spread quickly, stoking parents' fears about their children's chances getting into UC, the state's public research university system.

Asian-Americans make up about 38 percent of UC undergraduates and have a high rate of freshman admission to its nine undergraduate campuses -- 73 percent in 2013, compared to 63 percent of all in-state applicants.

Using racial quotas in admissions would be unconstitutional; recent U.S. Supreme Court decisions have strictly limited consideration of race in public university admissions. UC officials last week said any suggestion of quotas is irresponsible: "We have never done that, and we never would," said Nina Robinson, UC's associate president and chief policy adviser.

Still, some Chinese-language news outlets reported such erroneous assertions, said Karthick Ramakrishnan, a political-science professor at UC Riverside who directs the National Asian-American Survey.

"I think there's a lot of anxiety and fear, and when you have bad information it's hard to address some of those concerns," he said.

A Change.org petition to stop the referendum had more than 112,000 signatures on Monday.

One Cupertino mother who helped to organize other parents and friends against the amendment said the news came as a relief. "This bill was kind of personal," said Jayati Goel. "I felt like I need to do something."

One reason Democrats were caught off guard is that Asian-Americans have historically supported affirmative action. Indeed, many still believe race should be considered in college admissions. Some Asian organizations -- including the Southeast Asian Resource and Action Center, Chinese for Affirmative Action, and Filipino Advocates for Justice in Union City and Oakland -- advocate such policies, noting that not all Asian ethnicities are well represented in higher education.

But the scarcity of seats in UC provoked intense opposition among others -- and Republicans pounced on the opportunity. Top GOP leaders of both chambers spoke at "Stop SCA 5" forum Sunday in Cupertino, sponsored by the San Francisco-based Chinese-American Institute for Empowerment.

Republicans are often flustered by how to appeal to ethnic minorities, Whalen said. The controversy "presents Republicans something they didn't have a month ago, which is an opening to create a dialogue in a very tangible way," he said. "It's your child's education. It's your child's path to college."

Others aren't so sure the GOP has much of an opening. Now that the Democrats have backed away from the bill, "I don't know that it's going to change the way that Asian-Americans feel about the two political parties," said Melissa Michelson, who teaches California politics and political science at Menlo College in Atherton.

But, Michelson said, the rise and fall of Constitutional Amendment 5 revealed the growing political power of the state's Asian-American voters -- and she doesn't expect state lawmakers to bring the bill back.

"I don't think they're going to," she said, "because what they found is trying to undo the ban on affirmative action makes bad things happen."

California Asian-Americans show strength in blocking affirmative action revival - San Jose Mercury News
 
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California Asian-Americans show strength in blocking affirmative action revival

By Katy Murphy

Stunned by an unexpected uprising within their party's minority base, Democratic lawmakers on Monday dropped a push to reverse California's 16-year-old ban on affirmative action in college admissions.

Constitutional Amendment 5 -- which would have put the issue before voters -- cleared the state Senate in late January on a party-line vote. But as word of the bill spread, so did resistance, mostly from families concerned that race-conscious admission policies would unfairly disadvantage Asian applicants to the intensely competitive University of California system and its flagship campuses, Berkeley and UCLA.

The strong opposition and quick success of a relatively small and reliably Democratic ethnic group -- 14 percent of the state's population in 2012 -- revealed a new political strength.

The bill's rapid demise culminated with about-face by three Asian-American senators who voted for the bill in January. And its author, Sen. Ed Hernandez, D-West Covina, is making no promises about its revival.

"I'd like to bring it back," Hernandez said in a phone interview. "I believe in it. I believe we need to make sure there's equal opportunity for everyone in the state of California."

Republicans won't go along with that, their state Senate leader said Monday. "Republicans will continue to oppose this measure in any way, shape or form," said Senate Minority Leader Bob Huff, R-Diamond Bar.

Black, Latino and Native American students made up almost 54 percent of California's high school graduates in 2012 -- but just 27 percent of all freshmen, UC-wide, and 16 percent of UC Berkeley's freshmen class that year.

Few issues are as personal to voters as education, which explains the intense negative reaction some had to the bill, said Bill Whalen, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, a conservative policy analysis group at Stanford University.

"This was remarkably bad politics on the Democrats' part," Whalen said. "I can think of few things more destructive than pitting one constituency of a party against another."

Last week, saying they had received thousands of calls and emails from constituents, Senators Leland Yee, D-San Francisco; Ted Lieu, D-Torrance; and Carol Liu, D-La Cañada/Flintridge asked Assembly Speaker John Perez to stop the bill.

"As lifelong advocates for the Asian-American and other communities, we would never support a policy that we believed would negatively impact our children," they wrote in a letter to Perez.

In 1996, California became the first state to outlaw affirmative action in public university admissions and state hiring, a policy that took effect in 1998. The amendment would have allowed voters to lift that ban, either this fall or in 2016.

Hernandez and others have said that misinformation about what affirmative action would mean -- such as racial quotas for new freshmen -- spread quickly, stoking parents' fears about their children's chances getting into UC, the state's public research university system.

Asian-Americans make up about 38 percent of UC undergraduates and have a high rate of freshman admission to its nine undergraduate campuses -- 73 percent in 2013, compared to 63 percent of all in-state applicants.

Using racial quotas in admissions would be unconstitutional; recent U.S. Supreme Court decisions have strictly limited consideration of race in public university admissions. UC officials last week said any suggestion of quotas is irresponsible: "We have never done that, and we never would," said Nina Robinson, UC's associate president and chief policy adviser.

Still, some Chinese-language news outlets reported such erroneous assertions, said Karthick Ramakrishnan, a political-science professor at UC Riverside who directs the National Asian-American Survey.

"I think there's a lot of anxiety and fear, and when you have bad information it's hard to address some of those concerns," he said.

A Change.org petition to stop the referendum had more than 112,000 signatures on Monday.

One Cupertino mother who helped to organize other parents and friends against the amendment said the news came as a relief. "This bill was kind of personal," said Jayati Goel. "I felt like I need to do something."

One reason Democrats were caught off guard is that Asian-Americans have historically supported affirmative action. Indeed, many still believe race should be considered in college admissions. Some Asian organizations -- including the Southeast Asian Resource and Action Center, Chinese for Affirmative Action, and Filipino Advocates for Justice in Union City and Oakland -- advocate such policies, noting that not all Asian ethnicities are well represented in higher education.

But the scarcity of seats in UC provoked intense opposition among others -- and Republicans pounced on the opportunity. Top GOP leaders of both chambers spoke at "Stop SCA 5" forum Sunday in Cupertino, sponsored by the San Francisco-based Chinese-American Institute for Empowerment.

Republicans are often flustered by how to appeal to ethnic minorities, Whalen said. The controversy "presents Republicans something they didn't have a month ago, which is an opening to create a dialogue in a very tangible way," he said. "It's your child's education. It's your child's path to college."

Others aren't so sure the GOP has much of an opening. Now that the Democrats have backed away from the bill, "I don't know that it's going to change the way that Asian-Americans feel about the two political parties," said Melissa Michelson, who teaches California politics and political science at Menlo College in Atherton.

But, Michelson said, the rise and fall of Constitutional Amendment 5 revealed the growing political power of the state's Asian-American voters -- and she doesn't expect state lawmakers to bring the bill back.

"I don't think they're going to," she said, "because what they found is trying to undo the ban on affirmative action makes bad things happen."

California Asian-Americans show strength in blocking affirmative action revival - San Jose Mercury News

Only merits should be considered, not race.
 
Only merits should be considered, not race.

While in general I agree...but there is some basis for why affirmative action has support. The thoughts being that more affluent communities have the budgets to give their students a better education than say poorer communities. Thus they have an unfair advantage of being accepted into college. So the children of the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich.
 
While in general I agree...but there is some basis for why affirmative action has support. The thoughts being that more affluent communities have the budgets to give their students a better education than say poorer communities. Thus they have an unfair advantage of being accepted into college. So the children of the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich.

Its true that poor people has less opportunities and must work harder. But it doesn't mean that they have little opportunities. They still can work hard.

In this case, its not about working hard. Its racial preference. A rich black kid that has all the opportunities can get into a college with lesser grade than a poor white kid. Race should be less of an admissions criteria than even income level.
 
Probably doesn't matter in the long run either way.

Undergrad education is just a ticket to get a good job, and most national employers use affirmative action in hiring anyway.
 
Its true that poor people has less opportunities and must work harder. But it doesn't mean that they have little opportunities. They still can work hard.

In this case, its not about working hard. Its racial preference. A rich black kid that has all the opportunities can get into a college with lesser grade than a poor white kid. Race should be less of an admissions criteria than even income level.

The thoughts being when affirmative action came into existence in the 1960's that generations of employment and college entrance discrimination had basically pushed a typical black family to the fringes of society.

The idea was to jump start them back into mainstream economic society.

Of course that was 50 years ago.
 
While in general I agree...but there is some basis for why affirmative action has support. The thoughts being that more affluent communities have the budgets to give their students a better education than say poorer communities. Thus they have an unfair advantage of being accepted into college. So the children of the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich.
Then we should -- by force -- reallocate GPA according to the skool's racial makeup so that everyone have the same GPA, thereby equalizing everyone's chance of employment.

But seriously...

As long as there are willing teachers/tutors to go outside of the mainstream education system, there will be discrepancies in the levels of education and therefore -- students. If public education is what most of society relies upon, then public education should be the focus for money and improvements. Currently, the American public education system is seriously ill. Not beyond salvage, but seriously ill from every angle. The answer is not in more money but in reforming the system itself.

Get rid of shit subjects like 'Gender Studies', whatever that mean and how useful it is in real life. Focus on STEM and if more money is needed to improve those subjects, then more money should be allocated.

Focus more on colleges instead of universities.

Get industries involvement and sponsorship into trades because many tradesmen and craftsmen go on to higher education once they earn enough money to support themselves and a college education. Many of them earn more and have steadier employment, especially during economic downturns, than those with university degrees.

It is time to do away with Affirmative Action.
 
Then we should -- by force -- reallocate GPA according to the skool's racial makeup so that everyone have the same GPA, thereby equalizing everyone's chance of employment.

But seriously...

As long as there are willing teachers/tutors to go outside of the mainstream education system, there will be discrepancies in the levels of education and therefore -- students. If public education is what most of society relies upon, then public education should be the focus for money and improvements. Currently, the American public education system is seriously ill. Not beyond salvage, but seriously ill from every angle. The answer is not in more money but in reforming the system itself.

Get rid of shit subjects like 'Gender Studies', whatever that mean and how useful it is in real life. Focus on STEM and if more money is needed to improve those subjects, then more money should be allocated.

Focus more on colleges instead of universities.

Get industries involvement and sponsorship into trades because many tradesmen and craftsmen go on to higher education once they earn enough money to support themselves and a college education. Many of them earn more and have steadier employment, especially during economic downturns, than those with university degrees.

It is time to do away with Affirmative Action.

Who came with the idea of AA in the first place? Race based politics is rare in the UK, why is it so big in America?
 
Who came with the idea of AA in the first place? Race based politics is rare in the UK, why is it so big in America?
Guilt from slavery and after emancipation, institutionalized bigotry that ended with most blacks in severely disadvantaged social situations. Affirmative Actions may have been a good idea at one time regardless of how flawed it was in terms of 'two wrongs do not make a right' kind of argument. But I think the time to discard it is now.
 
US college model sucks
The french model is much more fair, but will maybe disappearvinvfew years thanks to the zionists leaders
 
US college model sucks
The french model is much more fair, but will maybe disappearvinvfew years thanks to the zionists leaders

The French system is elitist, the Grandes Ecoles draw the best, leaving the universities to take in any tom, dick and harry.
 
The French system is elitist, the Grandes Ecoles draw the best, leaving the universities to take in any tom, dick and harry.
All countries have elite, but in France we have free colleges
And the teachings are not bad at all, your students come and are deeply satisfied

I think it's the most fair system in the world, and a poor person can have a good job with university
 
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All countries have elite, but in France we have free colleges
And the teachings are not bad at all, your students come and are deeply satisfied

I think it's the most fair system in the world, and a poor person can have a good job with university


All countries have elite, but not all their system are elitist.

Most western European countries offer free education, not just France.
 
All countries have elite, but not all their system are elitist.

Most western European countries offer free education, not just France.
No it's wrong, the cost of the studies in GB are 30x more expensive than in France, in Spain the state pays a part of the cost

In Germany it's 3 times more expensive
 
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