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BVR missiles to be test fires from Tejas in July

Most developed aircrafts test air to air missiles at the beginning later with air to ground stores, tejas just the opposite ..

We are slated to catchup with JF mk3 , in two years.. With AESA .
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dude, atleast have tejas flying first...before you dream of "catching upto" JF-17 block III.

JF-17 Thunder has been matured, has performed in various air shows, have gone under rigorous testing and trials, and have been evaluated by foreign militaries earing their praise and even export orders!!!

Tejas are miles behind JF-17 in almost every measure...only fanboy indians live in their own shadows.

There is no comparison to JFT now. It has left tejas far behind...

You don't directly jump from having no aircraft inducted to "block 3" with "AESA"....It takes rigorous trials and testing and operationalization before new technology like AESA is added to the airframe.

And JF-17 block II is integrated with air-to-air, air-to-ground, and anti-ship weapons along with targeting pods. All of these things are ON JF-17 now after years of trials.

Tejas isn't even operational with a WVR weapon, let alone other things...



You need to update about tejas..
AESA air -air module is already ready., soft wares for air ground mode is being prepared, let alone made in Israeli AESA .

We already have 10+ tejas flying
We have a dedicated trainer variant, naval variant ahead of JF 17
Russian WVR missile already integrated and tested ..LGB, tested
Come on man , this month we ll see all the fire works of derby and python ..
You are in for a good treat..
 
I thought Astra employ Derby & Python 4 but according to poster it will be integrated with Derby, I-Derby & Python 5



PAF inducted JF-17 when its not got FOC (neither BVR or WVR capable & many air to ground missile yet to be Integrated ), IAF didn't
PAF would induct JF-17 MK II without IFR (fitted in 19th aircraft) & slightly avionics upgrade. IAF want battle ready IFR , BVR, WVR fitted aircraft from day one.



Only reason is new found money.
Before liberalization same IAF operated HAL developed Kiran IJT, Deepak BT & HF-24 Marut.

LOL.

JF-17 block I's was integrated with WVR and BVR missiles. Stop living in fool's paradise. We have videos of JF-17 firing BVRs and we have confirmation of director of JF-17 program stating that JF-17's default deployment across PAF bases was "2 BVRs, 2 WVRs, and three fuel tanks"....and the interviewer asked if JF-17 was ready? to which answer was "If you mean ready as in to go up, engage enemy planes, and fire at them with its weaponry? Then yes, its absolutely ready"....

But offcourse, you "missed" that interview and continued to believe in your blogs...:lol:

JF-17 is battle ready, has participated in exercises, and has secured export orders. Period.

Tejas isn't ready and is far behind JF-17. Period.

All JF-17s would be converted to block II standards with upgraded avionics, increased radar ranges and modes, and new weapon-systems (air-to-sea primarily).

We already have produced 8,7 JF-17 block IIs....while Tejas still has to go under BVR testing..LMFAO!!!!:lol:
 
LOL.

JF-17 block I's was integrated with WVR and BVR missiles. Stop living in fool's paradise. We have videos of JF-17 firing BVRs and we have confirmation of director of JF-17 program stating that JF-17's default deployment across PAF bases was "2 BVRs, 2 WVRs, and three fuel tanks"....and the interviewer asked if JF-17 was ready? to which answer was "If you mean ready as in to go up, engage enemy planes, and fire at them with its weaponry? Then yes, its absolutely ready"....
Not when you inducted in PAF



We already have produced 8,7 JF-17 block IIs....while Tejas still has to go under BVR testing..LMFAO!!!!:lol:
Without IFR
 
The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas is all set undertake critical test flights carrying an array of missiles and bombs to complete its scheduled weapon trials. Top sources with the Ministry of Defence (MoD) confirmed to this Correspondent that the integration of Russian-made Close Combat Missile (CCM) R-73 has been completed.

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The ground integration of the Israeli-made CMM Python-5 too has been completed ahead of the flight trials. The Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile Derby has also been integrated on to the aircraft. Tejas can carry two CCMs with a range of 15 km at the extreme end pods. These missiles can home on to the enemy aircraft based on their heat signature.

The Derby (two missiles) is being integrated on the mid-board-pods of Tejas and they have a range varying between 80 and 100 km. The home-grown fighter carries the laser-guided bomb (LGB) Griffin, which has a range of 5-6 km. Tejas will also carry LGB Paveway, which according to sources, has already demonstrated its capabilities with an accuracy of 1 meter. "These missiles have demonstrated their capabilities to strike with precision during day and night," says an official.

BVR missiles to be tested in July

The laser-designator pod also has been integrated on to the aircraft. "Tejas can carry drop tanks with 1200-litre and 800-725-litre capacity. The R-73 has completed flight trials in Goa, Jaisalmer and Jamnagar over 10 times. The LGB has been tested for six times now," the official said.

The BVR testes scheduled to be held in May has now been fixed for July at forward bases. "The CCMs and BVRs used on Tejas are capable of SSKP (Single Shot Kill Probability). In a war scenario, the pilot can increase the kill probability by opting for firing both CCMs, or both BVRs together," the official added. The integration of Russian-made gun for Tejas Gsh-23 has been completed. The gun has been already ground tested at a facility in Nasik.

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FOC may spill over to March 2016?

When asked whether Tejas would skip the December 2015 deadline for Final Operational Clearance (FOC), the top MoD official said: "There are still some passing clouds hanging around. But the teams from Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) are confident of beating the deadline."

However, another official told this Correspondent that the programme might skip the December deadline by maximum three months. "May be it will spill over to the last quarter of this FY. The FOC will be in by March 2016," he said.

Refueling probe, nose cone radome awaited

To complete the FOC points, the air-to-air refueling probe from Cobham hasn't arrived yet. The nose cone quartz radome too is being awaited. There are already some rumours floating around in the corridors of HAL and ADA over the delay in accessing these pending foreign systems. A Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) official says that they are hopeful of thrashing the issue.

"Definitely there are concerns. But, we are hoping to get clarity by July. Hopefully, we should have access to all hardware within a month. We don't see any more technology challenges after the integration of these pending items," says the senior DRDO official.

ADA says that almost 75 per cent of work related to FOC has been completed. The siblings of Tejas have completed 2971 flights so far logging around 1909 hours, at the time this piece went live on the web.

India's Defence Goal by Nayeem Sheikh

Best of luck:cheers:

Tejas badahi manoos name hai naya naam Karan karna padegA

How about Pappu and bunty?:rofl::rofl::rofl:

There is nothing wrong with the name, all you guys need to do is improve your management in HAL and clearly it is a big miss management faults

Not when you inducted in PAF




Without IFR

Our program is working according to our plan and our 2 sdq is for land base attack role and that is why you guys didn't saw BVR on that and IFR is an additional options and have nothing to do with plane lethal capabilities and our many f16 don't have that and doesn't mean that f16 is not a good fighter.
 
Our program is working according to our plan and our 2 sdq is for land base attack role and that is why you guys didn't saw BVR on that and IFR is an additional options and have nothing to do with plane lethal capabilities and our many f16 don't have that and doesn't mean that f16 is not a good fighter.

I am just pointing that fault in not LCA , IAF corrupt commanders ready to induct under developed Mrage 2000, Su-30 MKI & PAK-FA but want full battle ready LCA from day one.
 
Sun rising from West is possible but A thread about Tejas and we do not have Pakis foul mouthing and Pakistan actually making a moped engine is not possible.

When was the last time you guys contribute an iota of RnD for Chinese FC 1. Donn bother answering that question. I know it's null, nada, nothing, ziltch. For heavens sake you guys cannot even make tires for its landing gear. Like you people know anything other than Unboxing,riveting & painting . Those three words describe are your entire aircraft building experience.

And you guys had to rush those toys to deployment in IOC standard because you did not had anything better to field in numbers. If I am not mistaken FOC for JF17 still not achieved yet right ?? For morons who still will argue on this point, let me explain this in your language. It's like car which you got straight out from the assembly line. When you got your car it just had 4 wheels,steering column and seats. Everything else will be put in it at a latter date. It was a car ,for sure when you inducted it, but alebit incomplete when you compare it to the features available and the one written on the can. There is no pride in inducting a "Fighter" which can't even fire a BVR or drop bombs.

Lastly why didn't your Father and the actual developer induct this in it's arsenal ?? Bcoz they know it s FoookingCrap(of grade)1 even your decision makers though of a name came up with JunkFighter17(th Version) !!
 
What happened to the nose cone of Tejas...Is the radar range still 45 Km or so....Man if it is still 45 Km, you need to shut this whole project down...Its a shame...

Tejas ELTA radar in mk1 has 87km for 2^m targets and with nose cone upgrade 100km for 2^m upgrade.Thats 150 kms for 5^m targets.
EL/M-2032 -u can search this radar on the net if u don't believe me.

Meanwhile jf-17 has recorded 85-105kms for 5^m targets,so don't bother bragging.

45 km thing ur hearing is uttam radar in testing which is AESA ,being our first aesa in prototype stage its range is so small.Its final config for mk2 is to have 100 km range.Stop confusing the 2.
In any case electronics of israeli derby BVR is as usual better than chinese sd-10.Just because its delayed doesn't mean its bad,so combined with better radar we don't have to worry abt the result of a bvr fight with thunder.
 
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dude, atleast have tejas flying first...before you dream of "catching upto" JF-17 block III.

JF-17 Thunder has been matured, has performed in various air shows, have gone under rigorous testing and trials, and have been evaluated by foreign militaries earing their praise and even export orders!!!

Tejas are miles behind JF-17 in almost every measure...only fanboy indians live in their own shadows.

There is no comparison to JFT now. It has left tejas far behind...

You don't directly jump from having no aircraft inducted to "block 3" with "AESA"....It takes rigorous trials and testing and operationalization before new technology like AESA is added to the airframe.

And JF-17 block II is integrated with air-to-air, air-to-ground, and anti-ship weapons along with targeting pods. All of these things are ON JF-17 now after years of trials.

Tejas isn't even operational with a WVR weapon, let alone other things...


Well, As chinese media pointed out Tejas is fighter of tomorrow and JF17 is fighter of today. Well, the manufacturing technology of tejas is lot different from JF17, the avionics, the subsystems are lot different.

* You can fit AESA to JF17 soon but the big question you will get is whether the existing engine is capable of providing enough power ..

* You can claim JF17 has a ferry range of 3400 Km and Combat range of 1500 km and say Tejas has just 500 Km combat range.

but do the math = 3400/2 = 1700 so at a max JF 17 can go 1700 km from its air base and return with all external fuel tanks , so if there are no fuel tanks you will get <1000 km , may be 500 to 600 Km effective range.


* you can claim JF17 is inducted in large number , but the point is it did not replace F16 from your airforce, it just replaced a mig 19 derived fighter bomber. THe day JF17 replaces F16 you can claim it as super dooper, still Pakistan imports second hand f16 why ?


Well when HAL developed Dhuruv helicopter, we were criticized for the delay and quality, now it is being inducted in 100s every year! So wait in 10 year we will have more Tejas in our navy than PAF having JF17.
 
Well, As chinese media pointed out Tejas is fighter of tomorrow and JF17 is fighter of today. Well, the manufacturing technology of tejas is lot different from JF17, the avionics, the subsystems are lot different.

* You can fit AESA to JF17 soon but the big question you will get is whether the existing engine is capable of providing enough power ..

* You can claim JF17 has a ferry range of 3400 Km and Combat range of 1500 km and say Tejas has just 500 Km combat range.

but do the math = 3400/2 = 1700 so at a max JF 17 can go 1700 km from its air base and return with all external fuel tanks , so if there are no fuel tanks you will get <1000 km , may be 500 to 600 Km effective range.


* you can claim JF17 is inducted in large number , but the point is it did not replace F16 from your airforce, it just replaced a mig 19 derived fighter bomber. THe day JF17 replaces F16 you can claim it as super dooper, still Pakistan imports second hand f16 why ?


Well when HAL developed Dhuruv helicopter, we were criticized for the delay and quality, now it is being inducted in 100s every year! So wait in 10 year we will have more Tejas in our navy than PAF having JF17.
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First of all yeah bro.. The Chibese taunted you ...JF is a plane of today ! It's flying... Lca is surely a plane of "tomorrow"..:lol:


JF is already flying with improved RD93... It's been flying with WS-13 .. If not we still have option for the latest version of RD-93 which is unde development... :)


AESA has been confirmed by PAF.. It's either Vixen or Chinese.

Why would we replace F-16s with JFT ? You don't replace a plane unless it life has ended and been rendere obsolete !


JFT BLKIII a few years away (2+ years).. And BLK II isn't superior to a latest BLK 52+. But would be near to its performance though..


As for waiting for tejas .. Decades and still waiting .. Decades more and would be still waiting .. It's just another Arjun in the making..:)

Tejas ELTA radar in mk1 has 87km for 2^m targets and with nose cone upgrade 100km for 2^m upgrade.Thats 150 kms for 5^m targets.
EL/M-2032 -u can search this radar on the net if u don't believe me.

Meanwhile jf-17 has recorded 85-105kms for 5^m targets,so don't bother bragging.

45 km thing ur hearing is uttam radar in testing which is AESA ,being our first aesa in prototype stage its range is so small.Its final config for mk2 is to have 100 km range.Stop confusing the 2.
In any case electronics of israeli derby BVR is as usual better than chinese sd-10.Just because its delayed doesn't mean its bad,so combined with better radar we don't have to worry abt the result of a bvr fight with thunder.


The range Jf the elta is said to be 80km without any info on 2*m or whatever (and even for that the nose of tejas would have to be modified)..
Meanwhile the range of KLJ7V2 (a radar based on KLJ7) hasn't been revealed...

Sun rising from West is possible but A thread about Tejas and we do not have Pakis foul mouthing and Pakistan actually making a moped engine is not possible.

When was the last time you guys contribute an iota of RnD for Chinese FC 1. Donn bother answering that question. I know it's null, nada, nothing, ziltch. For heavens sake you guys cannot even make tires for its landing gear. Like you people know anything other than Unboxing,riveting & painting . Those three words describe are your entire aircraft building experience.

And you guys had to rush those toys to deployment in IOC standard because you did not had anything better to field in numbers. If I am not mistaken FOC for JF17 still not achieved yet right ?? For morons who still will argue on this point, let me explain this in your language. It's like car which you got straight out from the assembly line. When you got your car it just had 4 wheels,steering column and seats. Everything else will be put in it at a latter date. It was a car ,for sure when you inducted it, but alebit incomplete when you compare it to the features available and the one written on the can. There is no pride in inducting a "Fighter" which can't even fire a BVR or drop bombs.

Lastly why didn't your Father and the actual developer induct this in it's arsenal ?? Bcoz they know it s FoookingCrap(of grade)1 even your decision makers though of a name came up with JunkFighter17(th Version) !!
gandi still crib in n moaning..:lol:

Go worry about light Crap Aircraft aka shit waiting to actually fly.:)
 
Tejas ELTA radar in mk1 has 87km for 2^m targets and with nose cone upgrade 100km for 2^m upgrade.Thats 150 kms for 5^m targets.
EL/M-2032 -u can search this radar on the net if u don't believe me.

Meanwhile jf-17 has recorded 85-105kms for 5^m targets,so don't bother bragging.
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The issue is with cone...not the radar... The cone reduces the range of radar not increases it...and there is no EL/M-2032 radar on Tejas...its running aroung with a local one...Please look for good indian articles regarding tejas....Don't tell us what will tejas get in future...Talk about what it is now....

The issue is with cone...not the radar... The cone reduces the range of radar not increases it...and there is no EL/M-2032 radar ''integrated'' on Tejas yet...its running aroung with a local one...Please look for good indian articles regarding tejas....Don't tell us what will tejas get in future...Talk about what it is now....present..:D
 
The issue is with cone...not the radar... The cone reduces the range of radar not increases it...and there is no EL/M-2032 radar ''integrated'' on Tejas yet...its running aroung with a local one...Please look for good indian articles regarding tejas....Don't tell us what will tejas get in future...Talk about what it is now....present..:D

There is no reason to look to sites,tejas project director himself gave this data on a interview to tarmak007 defence magazine few days ago.
Plus u can check online sources for the range of elta radar.Even without cone its range is 87 km for 2^M targets.
Jf-17 is only 85-105km in 5^m targets and 75 km for 3^m targets.Not surprising since u used chinese radar which is still not a match for western/israeli electronics.
 
There is no reason to look to sites,tejas project director himself gave this data on a interview to tarmak007 defence magazine few days ago.
Plus u can check online sources for the range of elta radar.Even without cone its range is 87 km for 2^M targets.
Jf-17 is only 85-105km in 5^m targets and 75 km for 3^m targets.Not surprising since u used chinese radar which is still not a match for western/israeli electronics.
What's surprising is that this is tejas thread... and you bringing jf17 here....You have not provided any credible information about the tejas and its radar range and if any of those issues which have to be resolved..nothing...just fake hyped useless numbers....
 
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