Bulgaria:anti-migrant vigilante group TIES UP Afghans - and earns PRAISE from the PM

[flamer84]

I didnt say that your beef and insecurity was no one invaded your country....Now you jump more conclusions?


And again we see you cant stick to topic


good to see the gold old racism and xenophobia! When you people are more mixed than anything thanks to the numerous people invading your country!

You don't get to tell us on who to receive in here.This is not an asylum for everybody on the planet.

 

[Dubious]

LOL,Your footage was from Koln carnival not New Years' Eve event we are discussing and there were 3 drunk guys not hundreds.

Nobody is saying there were white and no videos support that.You're making stuff up.

Here we go again...I didnt give you 1 link I gave you a lot.....Believe whatever you want nothing can change a hate filled man!

You don't get to tell us on who to receive in here.This is not an asylum for everybody on the planet.

then dont support bastards going to destroy other people's homes! If you do then expect an influx of people running away from those bastards and their doings! Its not rocket science!

 

[flamer84]

Here we go again...I didnt give you 1 link I gave you a lot.....Believe whatever you want nothing can change a hate filled man!


then dont support bastards going to destroy other people's homes! If you do then expect an influx of people running away from those bastards!

In one link it doesn't say that they were white,it just talked about what happenned in Koln.In the other it says,'let's not blame muslims,here's a video from an unrelated event where a tv host is being groped by 3 whites,surely the same happenned in Koln'-which makes it a retarded article.

Look lady,you should be ashamed of yourself,you as a woman especially should not spit on the hundreds of women molested in Kold who identified the ethnic background of their attackers.....north african/arab.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

This was not even violence as the Afghans were DETAINED

I have no idea about the said incident but having citizens detaining people is slippery slope even if no violence was used. Trust me I understand your and other people's impulse about not having "others" around them. This impulse no doubt drove those people in Bulgaria to take citizens action presumably based on the ethnic profile of the persons detained. That is not a healthy road to go down.

What we must understand or rather the thinking people must understand is that we are moving toward to globalized world. This process really took off about 500 years ago although purists would argue that this process began from day one of the human story. After all humans emerged out of Africa and moved all over the globe. So migration is nothing new really. In recent times the the mass vacuaming of Europe to the Americas, Antipodes, Cape etc including the transplantation of Africa to Americas in the form of slavery to the virtual draining out of European Jewry to Middle East or the "orient" as you call it.

So modern migration has to be seen in the bigger picture. One of the abiding characteristics of humans is to capture the reality around them and regard that as a constant. Average person rarely thinks beyond their own times and their existential horizon. This migration thing will continue in one form or another. In fact I forecast a massive migration wave within next two decades plus from Sub Saharan Africa. The population explosion in the orient is now begining to slow down. The biggest future growth will be in SSA. Markus may not like to hear this but Italy will in the future get hit by human ripple from Africa.

Migration or the drivers behind it are largely down to demographics and geopolitics. All societies go through this population model.

Europe went through stage 2 and 3 between 1700-1900 and huge amounts of the surplus populations migrated to the Americas (including from Italy as we all know Hollywood's Mafia infatuation) and in the case of Russia east into Asiatic lands east of Rus eventually spilling into Kamchatka peninsula and the Caucasus/Central Asia.

From 1940s onwards Asia has seen stage 2 and now 3. There are signs of pre-entry to stage 4. So expect migration to start abating over the next two decades. However that slack will be taken over by Sub Sahara Africa as it hits Stage 2 and is seeing population explode.

What's even more important though is how large parts of the world are catching up in economic terms. This means increasing demand for finite resources which is why importance of Saudia Arabia is not about to go away any time soon. This can be seen in the tight embrace of that country by USA.

What however is evident is that in this globalized world those countries which have maximum international linkages like USA and UK will do well. Bottom line is we all are going to have to live in a interconnected world. In a sense the extreme right wing in Europe and Islamists like Al Qaeda are the two sides of the same coin. Both are reactions to increasing globalization. The Islamists just do not want to have anything to do with outsiders., They just want their little Islamdoms where they can rule and do oblivious of what rest of world thinks. They don't want world givinbg them grief in their own little caliphates. Taliban in Afghanistan are one example. Al Qaeda was largely articulated on US presence in Saudia Arabia. Bin Laden bitterly oppposed any external military being allowed into KSA.

I believe your in London. Have a look at it. Welcome to global city. Much as people might complain but London is where the heartbeat of the world is felt. With it comes incredible economic power and gravitas. This is reflected on even larger scale in USA which truely is a composite of the world. In it lies problems but also greatness.

@Akheilos Is nice intelligent lady and I am sure she is not apologist for any rapists of any background.

 

[Dubious]

In one link it doesn't say that they were white,it just talked about what happenned in Koln.In the other it says,'let's not blame muslims,here's a video from an unrelated event where a tv host is being groped by 3 whites,surely the same happenned in Koln'-which makes it a retarded article.

1) not jump to conclusion and yet you still do, what did I miss?

Look lady,you should be ashamed of yourself,you as a woman especially should not spit on the hundreds of women molested in Kold who identified the ethnic background of their attackers.....north african/arab.

And you are going to be the moral police after showing obvious racism towards anyone different than you?

I dont doubt them but I do doubt media....the way it reports lately isnt friendly towards the same people they dont report about when their homes are bombed!


You however should be ashamed of yourslf for being racist, grossly exaggerating and throwing allegations...


I never said they ARENT any Brown who do crimes....I only said NOT ALL ARE BROWN there were white!

@Akheilos Is nice intelligent lady and I am sure she is not apologist for any rapists of any background.

Nope I actually do believe rapist irrespective of whom they are should be killed...it has always been my stand on this forum throughout...HOWEVER, I dont agree that white people dont do the crime and are throwing all the blame on browns just coz there are many coming in lately...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Nope I actually do believe rapist irrespective of whom they are should be killed

I am against death penalty however being a thoroughbred hypocrite I would kill anybody touching my female members of my family. Of course what my instinct is and what considered and right thing to do are differant things.

I dont agree that white people dont do the crime and are throwing all the blame on browns

Yes but let's try to desist from making this monochrome thing. I have many friends of all complexions and their views don't tally with what some people here might say. Yes of course you have point but I know your smart lady with fine education. I am confident you can use that to better effect.

 

[flamer84]

I have no idea about the said incident but having citizens detaining people is slippery slope even if no violence was used. Trust me I understand your and other people's impulse about not having "others" around them. This impulse no doubt drove those people in Bulgaria to take citizens action presumably based on the ethnic profile of the persons detained. That is not a healthy road to go down.

What we must understand or rather the thinking people must understand is that we are moving toward to globalized world. This process really took off about 500 years ago although purists would argue that this process began from day one of the human story. After all humans emerged out of Africa and moved all over the globe. So migration is nothing new really. In recent times the the mass vacuaming of Europe to the Americas, Antipodes, Cape etc including the transplantation of Africa to Americas in the form of slavery to the virtual draining out of European Jewry to Middle East or the "orient" as you call it.

So modern migration has to be seen in the bigger picture. One of the abiding characteristics of humans is to capture the reality around them and regard that as a constant. Average person rarely thinks beyond their own times and their existential horizon. This migration thing will continue in one form or another. In fact I forecast a massive migration wave within next two decades plus from Sub Saharan Africa. The population explosion in the orient is now begining to slow down. The biggest future growth will be in SSA. Markus may not like to hear this but Italy will in the future get hit by human ripple from Africa.

Migration or the drivers behind it are largely down to demographics and geopolitics. All societies go through this population model.

Europe went through stage 2 and 3 between 1700-1900 and huge amounts of the surplus populations migrated to the Americas (including from Italy as we all know Hollywood's Mafia infatuation) and in the case of Russia east into Asiatic lands east of Rus eventually spilling into Kamchatka peninsula and the Caucasus/Central Asia.

From 1940s onwards Asia has seen stage 2 and now 3. There are signs of pre-entry to stage 4. So expect migration to start abating over the next two decades. However that slack will be taken over by Sub Sahara Africa as it hits Stage 2 and is seeing population explode.

What's even more important though is how large parts of the world are catching up in economic terms. This means increasing demand for finite resources which is why importance of Saudia Arabia is not about to go away any time soon. This can be seen in the tight embrace of that country by USA.

What however is evident is that in this globalized world those countries which have maximum international linkages like USA and UK will do well. Bottom line is we all are going to have to live in a interconnected world. In a sense the extreme right wing in Europe and Islamists like Al Qaeda are the two sides of the same coin. Both are reactions to increasing globalization. The Islamists just do not want to have anything to do with outsiders., They just want their little Islamdoms where they can rule and do oblivious of what rest of world thinks. They don't want world givinbg them grief in their own little caliphates. Taliban in Afghanistan are one example. Al Qaeda was largely articulated on US presence in Saudia Arabia. Bin Laden bitterly oppposed any external military being allowed into KSA.

I believe your in London. Have a look at it. Welcome to global city. Much as people might complain but London is where the heartbeat of the world is felt. With it comes incredible economic power and gravitas. This is reflected on even larger scale in USA which truely is a composite of the world. In it lies problems but also greatness.

@Akheilos Is nice intelligent lady and I am sure she is not apologist for any rapists of any background.

Things aren't working out.If in this last hour we want to make it work the community that doesn't adapt must do a heavy introspection instead of blaming others.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-36016708

Commenting on the results, Trevor Philips, former head of the Equality & Human Rights Commission, told the newspaper: "I thought Europe's Muslims would gradually blend into Britain's diverse landscape. I should have known better."

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Things aren't working out

Indeed. However what did I say about human experiance being hostage to existential horizon. Policy and strategy has to look beyond that. This Muslim thing has only become popular since 2001 and was almost unkown before 1980s.

For a start Muslim's are as diverse as humanity. This "Muslim" nomenclature is just convenient catch all for multiple identities and cultures each operating on differant angles of trajectory. In another forum I was discussing with some people who were ranting on about ending of European civilization due to Islamic hordes. The truth is Islam has been part of European fabric at some level for over 1,000 years. Indeed your country was under Otoman Caliphate for long time as was most of South East Europe. Ditto Spain/Portugal, Sicily, Cyprus. Here I will define Europe in the traditional definition (formative Christiandom) and exclude Southern Ukraine, Crimea, most of Caucaus as those were Tatar, Turkic Muslim lands. Chechynia, Daghestan, the residual Tartars in Crimea are the rump of the past.

Therefore Islam is hardly alien to Europe. Yes there has been history of troubles on the fracture zones however that is also applicable to Jews as we saw in the final solution of 1940s. Before that there was even the great schism within Christianity along the Protestant/Catholic cleavage. As late as 2000 Catholics and Protestants were killing each other with abandon in UK in particular Ulster or Northern Ireland.

The point being is this "problem" has arisen and lies more in the political field than actually spiritual. The former is informing and is being articulated by using Islamic symbolism. This problem of course only effects certain communities and no doubt will be resolved in time. I am optimist. For every misguided there are people like Sajid Javid Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills in PM Cameron's cabinet who has been touted as possible next UK Prime Minister. Or Sadiq Khan possible next London Mayor. On the cultural front we have Zayn Malik the singer, Amir Khan the boxer and on the business side we have many millionaires who have done well. So the picture is not quote as bleak as is painted by some. As regards terrorism UK lost over 5,000 dead, soldiers, men, women and children in the IRA insurgency over period of 30 years. This Islamist threat is storm in teacup by comparison.

As regards what goes on in rest of Europe I can't comment. There is precious little to connect those events in Paris, Germany etc. Each has it's own unique set of circumstances.

Link > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-man-believes-immigrants-natural-Tories.html
Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadiq_Khan
Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zayn_Malik
Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Khan_(boxer)

Endorsement by former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher: Culture Secretary Sajid Javid, the first Muslim MP to reach the Cabinet.

 

[MarkusS]

Quick Question:

What if he is a Christian from Africa(racially black I mean)? Will you still unplug his life support?

depends on the charge status of my phone. lol

@Akheilos

you get something very wrong here. You cry racism and xenophobia when we fight back "people" who try to sneak into our nations. Their culture is alien to us. 90% of them are not able to adapt to our society. They will never be productive europeans. How many drug dealers, terrorists and vegetable store owners do we need?

They are a threat. And threats get crushed. Those vigilante groups show very well that europeans wont accept them here. In italy we hunt them. In germany they burn down their camps.

They wont have a future here. If the dont leave out of their free will...much worse things will happen to them.

 

[AViet]

No, just serious. I´m racist. I see my race as best in the world, our culture as superior and look down on others? You dont like it? Too bad. I´m not just racist btw i´m facist and in the youth department of the Forza Italia. And you know what? We are a ruling party in italy.

shocked much?

 

[livingdead]

very funny. Why dont you take those illegals into india? We dont want them in eruope.

And i´m a damn proud racist then.

Do i think we are better than them? I absolutely do. Keeping them out is something necessary to do.

Is it ugly? yes. But some things must be done.

beside that, racism is something positive.

you are racist anyway, just that you dont realize yet. Why not force the govt to act and block the border. why is the farce of humanitarian european bs.
Its better to be upfront than pretend to be civilized, if you call your country a democracy, the govt should listen to you.

These migrants are not going to India.. we got illegal migrants of our own and govt deals with with sometimes brutally. But as citizen I wont ever do anything to them.

 

[Dubious]

You cry racism and xenophobia when we fight back "people" who try to sneak into our nations.

But you also label those who fight YOU on THEIR home soil....

Their culture is alien to us.

How so? Italy ESPECIALLY isnt alien to their culture...Just you and your ignorance!

90% of them are not able to adapt to our society.

What % of you dont adapt to your own culture? BTW, what exactly is Roman culture? By your words, even Christianity is alien to Europe...

And as politicians and experts have spoken, it is in fact the "host" country's fault if they created ghettos or accummulated people of the same into a neighborhood instead of dispersing them equally to increase diversity...

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/16/obama-slaps-europe-for-failing-to-integrate-muslims/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-confront-the-danger-of-mass-immigration.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/24/opinion/how-to-integrate-europes-muslims.html?_r=0


But of course educated experts and politicians mean nothing to racist spewing you.... (this is not speculation nor accusation coz you admitted it few pages ago)

They will never be productive europeans.

Yet it was the Muslims who laid almost every fundamental and improved the works of the Greeks

How many drug dealers, terrorists and vegetable store owners do we need?

I dont know, ask Napoli and Sicily for starters

You stereotyping like that just shows YOUR intolerance not their lack of productivity! Sure some are bad, which race doesnt have bad?

They are a threat. And threats get crushed. Those vigilante groups show very well that europeans wont accept them here. In italy we hunt them. In germany they burn down their camps.

This is what we call a REAL RANT!

In Italy people dont even know what Ramadan is let alone Eid, so once they get "enlightened or educated" then maybe they can take the next step to hate!

As for all the hate you mentioned, experts show that HATE is generated from ignorance and lack of knowledge nothing else!

They wont have a future here. If the dont leave out of their free will...much worse things will happen to them.

Screaming threats on the internet is all you can do child....

Before you run into a denial rant, lets quote you for safe keeping for everyone's knowledge of what an ignorant we are dealing with:

No, just serious. I´m racist. I see my race as best in the world, our culture as superior and look down on others? You dont like it? Too bad. I´m not just racist btw i´m facist and in the youth department of the Forza Italia. And you know what? We are a ruling party in italy.

shocked much?

I am against death penalty however being a thoroughbred hypocrite I would kill anybody touching my female members of my family. Of course what my instinct is and what considered and right thing to do are differant things.

I am not....If even my cousin was found guilty with evidence I would push for the death penalty...Why? Coz rapist are control freak animals the earth is burdened enough with BS we can spare to loose a few ...

 

[django]

I can surely understand why Europeans are apprehensive about these feral young men of fighting age, however it is better if law enforcement deals with illegals as vigilante squads have no place in supposed modern society. One point I would like to make is these Syrian men who are making their way into Europe ought to be fighting for their country, do they have so little love for their country that they leave at the first sign of trouble, why should Germany cater for them when these people have no regard for their own nation, they are all shouting Deutschland but do these folks even give two hoots about Germany, if they do not care about their own ancestral land how can they possibly care for Germany, they should learn a lesson from the German volk, when the red army was marching into Germany , Germans went out of their way to resist them and once the war was over they did not flee but built an economic powerhouse.
@Akheilos

 

[MarkusS]

I dont need to know Ramadan or Eid or whatever. I know what it is. Its alien to europe and bizarre and needs to be kept out.

beside that i see islam as enemy. Sorry but i will never and in no way accept it anywhere in europe.

And thanks god the majority here thinks like me.

Too be honest i see the current refugee crisis as a very positive thing. It gave us right wing parties so much sucess that we can push laws through the parliament now that would have been impossible one year ago.

We have concentration camps, shot with tear gas on them, Dont allow families to unite ect

Its exactly the way i like it going.

lol

Seriously dude....why ?

Why not? Its common to do this in italy. Its meant as fun.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

they should learn a lesson from the German volk

There are probably more ethnic Germans abroad then there are Germans in Germany with nearly 2 million in South Africa alone. German diaspora (below)

Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_diaspora