British military to join Italian-led mission 'to train, support local forces' in Libya

[Vergennes]

@mike2000 is back @Blue Marlin @Atanz @waz @Abingdonboy @Jungibaaz @Frogman @MICA @Mahmoud_EGY @Steve781

7.000 soldiers for training the local forces.... that seems to be a lot ! If we consider they will only "train" the local forces....
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There are calls in France to form a coalition with Egypt to fight ISIS in Libya,Valls didn't exlude an operation in Libya claiming that Libya is ISIS's retreat "base".
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A 6,000-strong training mission led by Italy to Libya will see Britain sending in 1,000 troops, including the Special Air Service.

The plan is at the stage of examining how to send soldiers to help train Libyan security forces to fight terrorist taking over some region of the country.

The security vacuum in Libya has allowed ISIS to expand its so-called caliphate to the country.

Under plans being looked at, British military personnel would contribute to a 6,000-strong Italian-led mission to train and support local forces.

The deployment would mean boots on the ground in an area where six SAS men were captured during an operation in 2011, months before the death of Libyan Dictator Colonel Gaddafi.

Reported by RT Arabic, Ahmed Gaddafi Al-Dam – reported to be a cousin of former Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi – claimed that IS militants have managed to steal chemical weapons from underground storage facilities in Libya that were not properly guarded and the gas has already been used.

“There are two known cases of this chemical agent being stolen. I know this from my sources in Tripoli. In the first case, seven drums of sarin were stolen, and in the second, I think it was five,” RT reports.

British military to join Italian-led mission 'to train, support local forces' in Libya - MaltaToday.com.mt

 

[Steve781]

The overthrow of Gadaffi is what caused the flood of Africans in the Mediterranean. Libya is a country we should avoid at all costs

 

[Blue Marlin]

The overthrow of Gadaffi is what caused the flood of Africans in the Mediterranean. Libya is a country we should avoid at all costs

we should have avoided a bit more than libya. if the usa never had a bomb fetish then the world would be a much safer place. also it should recognise that not every country needs to be democratic. as long as if the government is stable who cares who in charge.

 

[Steve781]

we should have avoided a bit more than libya. if the usa never had a bomb fetish then the world would be a much safer place. also it should recognise that not every country needs to be democratic. as long as if the government is stable who cares who in charge.

Why can't Arab countries, Egypt in particular, send troops? They're intervening in Yemen, which is no threat to them, but ignoring Libya right on their borders.

 

[Frogman]

Why can't Arab countries, Egypt in particular, send troops? They're intervening in Yemen, which is no threat to them, but ignoring Libya right on their borders.

4 fighters and two naval vessels are deployed to Op Restoration Hope, hardly a significant contribution. Plus, if you think Egypt has been ignoring Libya then you haven't been paying attention.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Why can't Arab countries, Egypt in particular, send troops? They're intervening in Yemen, which is no threat to them, but ignoring Libya right on their borders.

im not a politician.would'nt you think muslims countries would just look out for one another, but there doing the opposite in the extreams. whos cares if you sunni or shia.

 

[Steve781]

4 fighters and two naval vessels are deployed to Op Restoration Hope, hardly a significant contribution. Plus, if you think Egypt has been ignoring Libya then you haven't been paying attention.

They had air strikes in February which killed about 50 fighters in a single day. There are only 3000 fighters tops. If they kept it up they could have destroyed them in a few months.

 

[Frogman]

They had air strikes in February which killed about 50 fighters in a single day. There are only 3000 fighters tops. If they kept it up they could have destroyed them in a few months.

They're not looking to go into Libya unilaterally. A full scale military operation by Egypt would have opened a whole other problem than just IS. You also have to think about their relationship with the Fajr brigades and the NGNC.

That could have created a situation in which the enemy of my enemy is my friend, which isn't what you want. What you also don't want is a proxy confrontation with Qatar to escalate.

Pushing for a unity government first and foremost to quell the civil war and then focusing on IS through a UN supported and mandated coalition is what Egypt wants.

As for Egyptian operations and support against IS in Libya it far exceeds the retaliatory strikes against IS in Derna and elsewhere. The Egyptian Western desert alone is seeing a spike in the number of operations.

 

[mike2000 is back]

I have to agree with my compatriots @Steve781 , and @Blue Marlin on this.
Our forces getting involved in Libya was unnecessary and the wrong thing to do, even Geo-politically speaking. Gadaffi was already close to western powers like the U.S,U.K,France and he had negotiated many trade/investment and immigration deals with these powers. So i dont think we should have toppled him. Granted he was a brutal dictator just like almost all African/Muslim leaders, but that was no good reason to topple him. Even after the revolution started, we should have let things unfold and not get involved. Yes there would have been a bloody conflict/civil war between the regime and Libyan rebels but at the end of the day it would have been none of our business and Muslims wouldn't be blaming us for the current state of their country. Funny enough, even those who plead/beg for our forces to intervene are usually the ones to distance themselves from us when shit hits the fan after the intervention. lol

We should learn to stay clear of such conflicts, well not until both sides have all exhausted their options and we are let with no choice than to intervene. Afterall, we don't want another Rwandan Genocide happening again. So let things unfold, watch and analyse the situation while hedging your bets and only intervene after all options have been exhausted and ideally with UN/UNSC backing(even though i know UNSC voted for intervention in Libya).

 

[Blue Marlin]

I have to agree with my compatriots @Steve781 , and @Blue Marlin on this.
Our forces getting involved in Libya was unnecessary and the wrong thing to do, even Geo-politically speaking. Gadaffi was already close to western powers like the U.S,U.K,France and he had negotiated many trade/investment and immigration deals with these powers. So i dont think we should have toppled him. Granted he was a brutal dictator just like almost all African/Muslim leaders, but that was no good reason to topple him. Even after the revolution started, we should have let things unfold and not get involved. Yes there would have been a bloody conflict/civil war between the regime and Libyan rebels but at the end of the day it would have been none of our business and Muslims wouldn't be blaming us for the current state of their country. Funny enough, even those who plead/beg for our forces to intervene are usually the ones to distance themselves from us when shit hits the fan after the intervention. lol

We should learn to stay clear of such conflicts, well not until both sides have all exhausted their options and we are let with no choice than to intervene. Afterall, we don't want another Rwandan Genocide happening again. So let things unfold, watch and analyse the situation while hedging your bets and only intervene after all options have been exhausted and ideally with UN/UNSC backing(even though i know UNSC voted for intervention in Libya).

not all africain are muslims and not all africain leaders are muslims, carefull what your saying bud.

 

[mike2000 is back]

not all africain are muslims and not all africain leaders are muslims, carefull what your saying bud.

Reason i said ALMOST, plus i didn't say all Africans are Muslims(i have traveled to Africa more than any other continent, wont be so foolish to say such a thing. lol) . I said almost all Africans or Muslim countries leaders.
Careful how you read mate.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Reason i said ALMOST, plus i didn't say all Africans are Muslims(i have traveled to Africa more than any other continent, wont be so foolish to say such a thing. lol) . I said almost all Africans or Muslim countries leaders.
Careful how you read mate.

geez your right i do need to read carefully, i just ordered a huge fish tank and im tending to that. 9 footer it took long as i needed approval and that was hard to get. sorry for being a bit random.

 

[mike2000 is back]

geez your right i do need to read carefully, i just ordered a huge fish tank and im tending to that. 9 footer it took long as i needed approval and that was hard to get. sorry for being a bit random.

Lol this is PDF, being random is expected and welcome.

 

[waz]

I don't understand the sheer force levels being used for this. Are they building an army from scratch? Whatever happens i'm glad British troops are dealing with them over there. The last time these pieces of $hit were bought to the UK they caused an untold amount of damage.

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[3Kingdoms]

I don't like! How easy will it be for Daesh to infiltrate these local forces? How many soldiers died in the hands of rouge policemen from Afghanistan & Iraq - what an effing mess!