British MI6, Foreign Office 'used' the MQM to 'exert influence' on Pakistan.

[I.R.A]

You lived in Karachi for 5.5 years and think you know a lot.

Yes I do and if you have any doubts let me know how to prove that. In fact I got married in Karachi. I lived in different areas and traveled through buses, rickshaws, and cabs, I got to know Karachi lot better because my job was to go different places and meet a lot of different people and ask questions. I went to places where my cousins living there for more than 30 years had not gone, I have travelled on streets of Karachi after 2:00 am, I have eaten food from thailas and PC. I still have Hindu friends in Karachi. You may have been born there but have you ever been inside Jauhar Complex?

I was born and raised in Karachi, what do you think of my experience? I am not Urdu speaking or MQM supporter, yet if given the choice, I would still choose MQM over ALL the current political parties.

Your choice is yours I won't question it, I don't support no political party at all, so MQM or any other does not matter to me. They are all same.

This is BS when you say you can't say anything against "Bhai". A relative of mine used to regularly sit with MQM unit in charges and never got any trouble. I am not denying that some MQM workers are violent or very sensitive when it comes to Altaf Hussain. But to say that it is the norm is extreme exaggeration. Go look how many non Urdu speakers live near Nine zero. Go ask local Jamiat supporters what they think of MQM. They will not shy away from abusing A.H.
So even though I am not going to dismiss your statement, I think it is very exaggerated.

It won't seem BS to you when you are a stranger in that city and when you question someone for his wrong doing and people tell you that leave it he is MQM karkun. Talking to people who you regularly see is something different but when an outsider is doing the same talking then it is something different. I have seen it with my own eyes people boasting to be MQM k banday in offices to scare others, and I don't need anybody's certification otherwise.

But nothing annoys me more than people who have hardly seen Karachi and think they've suddenly become experts in everything MQM related. MQM is a reaction to very legitimate demands, as long as those grievances exist. No one can destroy MQM. That's the brutal truth.

And nothing annoys me more when people think they were born in a city so nobody other can be expert on their city's affairs, you know what I can say one thing with 100% surety about Karachiites and that is majority of them think they live in a separate world that has nothing to do with rest of Pakistan. They think they somehow own Karachi and they have exclusive rights to judge rest of Pakistan, some of them even told me why are you here go back to your city and imagine how I would have reacted.

I have seen Karachi's different colors and if I had not I would not have said anything about Karachi, even today I can go there and won't need any guide to see the whole city and won't need directions either. Believe it or not.

 

[dexter]

@dexter @HRK - Yahan kiya ho rahaa haiii ?

Dont know sir , not interested.
I avoid such threads !
I have realized that a few bit remarks like "baki doodh ke dhulen hen?" etc makes us MQM supporter.
So thatswhy i always try to stay away from MQM related topics

 

[Armstrong]

Dont know sir , not interested.
I avoid such threads !
I have realized that a few bit remarks like "baki doodh ke dhulen hen?" etc makes us MQM supporter.
So thatswhy i always try to stay away from MQM related topics

Us ?

@HRK Bhai is an Urdu Speaker but because of his association with me he now introduces himself as a Lahoriyaa !

 

[Gazi]

I have seen Karachi's different colors and if I had not I would not have said anything about Karachi, even today I can go there and won't need any guide to see the whole city and won't need directions either. Believe it or not.

You have seen different Colors indeed but not in the prospective of Karachiite who consider Karachi as his ONLY HOME. Your Prospective of looking at Karachi is "Another Prosper city in Pakistan" you cant understand local prospective unless you dont have stronger link to rest of Pakistan. In the end of the day when the time comes all those people belong to different parts of country would run away from Karachi to their Native land but Urdu speaker especially doesnt have such luxury. MQM has bad people but MQM also have most Competent people as well and they have actually PROVED their competence especially during Musharraf's period. Other Parties in this regards are total failure so that makes another reason for MQM support in Karachi as well.

 

[dexter]

Us ?

@HRK Bhai is an Urdu Speaker but because of his association with me he now introduces himself as a Lahoriyaa !

I know i know , what im trying to say is that Paksitanis specially from Punjab thinks that behind every crime it is always MQM im not saying MQM wale are all angels. In karachi there are bigger threats than MQM hiding in Liyari , sohrabgoth which should be cleaned first then you can go for MQM but in my life time i have seen that during operation in Karachi innocents are being targeted instead of the the real "fasadis" like Altaf bhai who always run away

 

[HRK]

@dexter @HRK - Yahan kiya ho rahaa haiii ?

Yaar just keep your eyes open ....

BTW can you count some British + foreign palat high profile people not 'just in Sindh'

 

[Armstrong]

I know i know , what im trying to say is that Paksitanis specially from Punjab thinks that behind every crime it is always MQM im not saying MQM wale are all angels what in karachi there are bigger threats than MQM hiding in Liyari , sohrabgoth which should be cleaned first then you can go for MQM but in my life time i have seen that during operation in Karachi innocents are being targeted instead of the the real "fasadis" like Altaf bhai who always run away

@HRK Bhai samjha lein choteiii ko keh Punjab keh khilaaaf baaat karneii waleiii key Biryani bunnd ho jatiii haii !

I hear you Dexter; every political party has armed wings and they're slugging it out with each other harming so many innocent people in between !

I suppose what the rest of us Pakistanis especially those from Punjab can't seem to figure out is why are so many Urdu speakers still supportive of MQM and more so than that why do many still call themselves as Muhajirs ? Quite a few of my relatives came from Kashmir at the time of the Partition now technically that makes us Immigrants too but never once in my life have I ever heard anyone in my family refer ourselves as such nor have I heard those of our family friends who came from either Eastern Punjab or those who came from Lucknow and settled in Lahore or in other cities of Punjab - Karachi is so ethnically charged that its sad to see.

Some of my own relatives from Karachi have moved to Lahore or Islamabad despite being born and brought up over there because either a certain Bhai's goons wanted a share of the business profits or one of the other outfits wanted theirs - Khuda janeiii itneiii halaaat kaiseiii kharaab ho gaiii !

 

[I.R.A]

You have seen different Colors indeed but not in the prospective of Karachiite who consider Karachi as his ONLY HOME. Your Prospective of looking at Karachi is "Another Prosper city in Pakistan" you cant understand local prospective unless you dont have stronger link to rest of Pakistan. In the end of the day when the time comes all those people belong to different parts of country would run away from Karachi to their Native land but Urdu speaker especially doesnt have such luxury. MQM has bad people but MQM also have most Competent people as well and they have actually PROVED their competence especially during Musharraf's period. Other Parties in this regards are total failure so that makes another reason for MQM support in Karachi as well.

I am not after good people otherwise I would not have mentioned "Mustaf Kamal" in one of my posts, neither I am against Urdu speaking people. And bahi g if you don't know let me tell you "Jo aik dafa Karachi ka ho gya who kabhi ussay chor nai skta chahy Urdu speaking ho ya Hazary wal". I never felt in Karachi that I will get lost somewhere and won't be able to find my way back, and that's one quality of that city otherwise a person like me hardly survives three days in Lahore and runs away. And another thing the Urdu speaking on this forum are not the first ones I have met, I know a lot of them back there in Karachi.

If you think I am just targeting MQM, start a thread on ANP and you will find me more vocal, they are thugs number three of Karachi who divided Pakistanis based on their language, color and skin.

 

[Gazi]

I suppose what the rest of us Pakistanis especially those from Punjab can't seem to figure out is why are so many Urdu speakers still supportive of MQM and more so than that why do many still call themselves as Muhajirs ? Quite a few of my relatives came from Kashmir at the time of the Partition now technically that makes us Immigrants too but never once in my life have I ever heard anyone in my family refer ourselves as such nor have I heard those of our family friends who came from either Eastern Punjab or those who came from Lucknow and settled in Lahore or in other cities of Punjab - Karachi is so ethnically charged that its sad to see.

Migrants from Kashmir and Punjab are quite Different from Migrants that came to Karachi. Kashmiris (especially from Jammu) share lot of cultural similarities with Punjabis and Punjab itself is like same culture so they easily integrated into Pakistan because they had very little or no Cultural Barriers while Migrants that came to Karachi had very different Culture from any Parts of Pakistan(Only Memons share some similarities with Sindhis) so different scenarios and we cant make any links to Punjab Experience and Karachi Experience.

I was also curious about this Muhajir word as well but then I released that Migrants that came to Karachi have different Cultures like UP, Hyderabad Culture is associated with Urdu Speaker, Gujrati Culture is Associated with Memons, Biharis have different culture even these days those Bangalis who decided to stay in Pakistan also consider themselves Muhajir. Due to these different cultures exist among them Muhajir became a BROADER TERM to associate them while Urdu Speaker, Memon, Bihari are very Specific so now this word Muhajir is not used as Literally its just used in order to confined saveral Group together.

Jo aik dafa Karachi ka ho gya who kabhi ussay chor nai skta chahy Urdu speaking ho ya Hazary wal

Hazarawal Karachi Choorh k Hazara Jaa sakta hai Pashtun, Baloch, Sindhi, Punjabi aur Kashmiri bhi Karachi Choorh k Jaa sakta hai MOSIBAT k Waqt. Urdu Speaker aisa nahi Kar Saktay kyun k koi Internal link nahi hai Inka un ilaqoon say. Baat Emergency ki hai App kia samajhtay hu Urdu Speaker Taliban k Khilaf is liye hai k woh Pashtun hain ya MQM nay unhain aisa Karnay pay Majboor kia hai????Yeh sari baat CONTINGENCY ki hai Urdu Speakers k pass yeh Contingency nahi hai is liye MQM ko tolerate kartay hain sab say ziada jabkay dosri comunities k pass aisa hai.

If you think I am just targeting MQM, start a thread on ANP and you will find me more vocal, they are thugs number three of Karachi who divided Pakistanis based on their language, color and skin.

I am not Questioning or thinking you as only Biased to MQM so you dont need to prove yourself to me and I am just saying that MQM has only Survived due to Excellent work under Musharraf Period(when they had Authority in Govt) otherwise they would be running like a dogs to South Africa or other Countries so they shouldnt be outright REJECTED just like that be PARTIAL on everyone Mindless Accusation doesnt work everytime

 

[HRK]

Khuda janeiii itneiii halaaat kaiseiii kharaab ho gaiii !

1- Non existence of Socio-political & Administrative Ownership
2- Existence of Preconceived ideas, Perceptions & Cleshay in the hearts & minds of the people regarding political, social & economic issues.
3- 'Mafia Raj'

 

[I.R.A]

Hazarawal Karachi Choorh k Hazara Jaa sakta hai Pashtun, Baloch, Sindhi, Punjabi aur Kashmiri bhi Karachi Choorh k Jaa sakta hai MOSIBAT k Waqt. Urdu Speaker aisa nahi Kar Saktay kyun k koi Internal link nahi hai Inka un ilaqoon say. Baat Emergency ki hai App kia samajhtay hu Urdu Speaker Taliban k Khilaf is liye hai k woh Pashtun hain ya MQM nay unhain aisa Karnay pay Majboor kia hai????Yeh sari baat CONTINGENCY ki hai Urdu Speakers k pass yeh Contingency nahi hai is liye MQM ko tolerate kartay hain sab say ziada jabkay dosri comunities k pass aisa hai.

That is the problem they don't look at rest of Pakistan as their own country bai g.......... They need to spread out in Pakistan, come out of this Urdu Speaking khol yar akhir kab tak yo he aik shehr may kut k reho gay. By the way personally I would love some memon to become PM of Pakistan.

 

[Gazi]

That is the problem they don't look at rest of Pakistan as their own country bai g.......... They need to spread out in Pakistan, come out of this Urdu Speaking khol yar akhir kab tak yo he aik shehr may kut k reho gay. By the way personally I would love some memon to become PM of Pakistan.

Its not about how they look rest of Pakistan but how others look towards them is a real issue my friend. Quota System, Government Agencies attitude towards them and rest of Pakistan who doesnt even want to listen to their legitimate grievances and declare them as propaganda is the real issue...Taliban Example is not very old when MQM only demanded that Swat IDPs should be MONITORED before letting them entered in Karachi was seen as racism, Their demands for Separate Administrative Unit of Karachi from rest of Sindh(due to Sindh Govt. attitude) is also looked as Racism so when are not even prepared listen to them then what do you expect?When rest of Pakistan are not prepare to listen to Karachiite as a whole then(not even one Group) then they would only feel alienated from rest of Pakistan and their another dimension to it as well now a days when cities in Punjab are developing BRT(Bus Rapid Transit) system in so many cities Karachi doesnt even getting a REVIVAL of their old KCR(Karachi Circular Railway) system despite of Karachi Traffic Problem is much worse then any other city in Pakistan. If these Grievances are their what do you expect Karachi population to consider about rest of Pakistan????

Another point is that except MQM no one even bother to even discuss those issues no matter how much NATIONAL PARTY they want to portray themselves. That is another reason behind MQM wide spread support in Karachi sadly.

 

[I.R.A]

Its not about how they look rest of Pakistan but how others look towards them is a real issue my friend. Quota System, Government Agencies attitude towards them and rest of Pakistan who doesnt even want to listen to their legitimate grievances and declare them as propaganda is the real issue

I will term this Circular Mindset (like circular debt) where everyone is aggressor and aggrieved at the same time, FATA, KPK, Baluchistan, Punjab everyone has their grievances and fingers pointed at others. The only difference is people of Karachi are educated they can make the difference but they insist on being part of problem not the solution. Ask youth of Karachi how many of them are willing to serve Pakistan Army? Police? Civil services, most of them you would find are looking for immigration. So I don't see and end to this problem without a drastic change in attitude of Pakistanis.

When rest of Pakistan are not prepare to listen to Karachiite as a whole then(not even one Group) then they would only feel alienated from rest of Pakistan and their another dimension to it as well now a days when cities in Punjab are developing BRT(Bus Rapid Transit) system in so many cities Karachi doesnt even getting a REVIVAL of their old KCR(Karachi Circular Railway)

Karachi Circular Railway was a true blessing, I would commute my two hours journey in just 20 minutes. Then again railway as a whole is a loss making entity and burden on our national treasury. As far as BRT are concerned transporters of Karachi are a strong cartel they won't let anybody survive otherwise I remember traveling in nice green buses which are sitting now somewhere in junkyards.

Another point is that except MQM no one even bother to even discuss those issues no matter how much NATIONAL PARTY they want to portray themselves. That is another reason behind MQM wide spread support in Karachi sadly.

MQM did provide a platform to mediocre Pakistanis to participate in National politics and raise their voices, it has its discipline and some good people too but again the bad side of it over weighs the potential it holds to make positive contribution. Rest PTI, PPP, PMLN, ANP etc all are useless and thrive for their self interests only.

 

[dexter]

@HRK Bhai samjha lein choteiii ko keh Punjab keh khilaaaf baaat karneii waleiii key Biryani bunnd ho jatiii haii !

I hear you Dexter; every political party has armed wings and they're slugging it out with each other harming so many innocent people in between !

I suppose what the rest of us Pakistanis especially those from Punjab can't seem to figure out is why are so many Urdu speakers still supportive of MQM and more so than that why do many still call themselves as Muhajirs ? Quite a few of my relatives came from Kashmir at the time of the Partition now technically that makes us Immigrants too but never once in my life have I ever heard anyone in my family refer ourselves as such nor have I heard those of our family friends who came from either Eastern Punjab or those who came from Lucknow and settled in Lahore or in other cities of Punjab - Karachi is so ethnically charged that its sad to see.

Some of my own relatives from Karachi have moved to Lahore or Islamabad despite being born and brought up over there because either a certain Bhai's goons wanted a share of the business profits or one of the other outfits wanted theirs - Khuda janeiii itneiii halaaat kaiseiii kharaab ho gaiii !

Mere bhai Karachi yateem hai na MQM na PPP na PML-N kisi ko koi interest nahi is shehar ke logon mein siwai iske paison ke ! Mein rozana bus mein safar karta hun university ke liye aur mujhe pata hai yahan ke transport , roads ka infrastructure puri tarha se khatam ho chuka hai aur jab se operation hua hai to bas fark itna para hai ke Political parties ki jaga Police aur rangers ne bhata khori shuru kardi hai.
Magar phir bhi Karachi mein zindagi rawan dwawn hai ab log used to hogae hen aj shehar band hota hai agle din phir sab kuch mamul pe ajata hai sarkon pe utna hi traffic jam aur shopping malls aur fast food pe awam ka samandar

 

[Pak Blooded]

1- Non existence of Socio-political & Administrative Ownership
2- Existence of Preconceived ideas, Perceptions & Cleshay in the hearts & minds of the people regarding political, social & economic issues.
3- 'Mafia Raj'

Thank you for speaking the truth.
I only wanted to state one fact here that we should stop assumptions and allegations now. We should act on principles. But as soon as i said that i was branded a MQM supporter even one of their Target Killers. But glad to see the sanity prevails. This is what has kept us going as a nation and should be encouraged.