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Bosnia war had nothing to do with Islam or any religion. So in the context of this war or the inter-ethnic hatred and conflicts of the Balkans, why refer to Bosnians as Muslims? Simply call them Bosnians. And why should Pakistan get involved or even interested?

'We have a different kind of Islam,' say Bosnia's Muslims

SARAJEVO // Sarajevo's many minarets have been meticulously restored in the almost 20 years since Bosnia's devastating war and new ones that have been built are predominantly in the modern Turkish style topped with conical grey roofs.

Foreign interest in Bosnia's once beleaguered Muslim community is evident all around. Saudi Arabia built the largest mosque and Islamic centre in the Balkans in Sarajevo and is helping to fund the new university library. Countries such as Qatar, Kuwait and the UAE have all provided aid and investments.

But attention from Turkey and Arabian Gulf countries has waned since the immediate aftermath of the war.

Despite the signs of the ties that bind Bosnia to Turkey and the wider Muslim world, this Balkan country is firmly rooted in Europe and has outspoken ambitions to join the European Union, ambitions that are thrown into sharp relief today by the accession of neighbouring Croatia.

"We are Muslims but we feel we are different Muslims, not like in Turkey and Egypt, for example. We are European," said Alida Vracic, director of Sarajevo-based think tank Populari.

She voiced the frustration felt by many Bosnians over the political divisions that still plague the country and that block progress towards EU accession.

The paralysis is so bad that last month the frustration boiled over into protests, when thousands marched to demand an end to the crisis over the registration of babies.

Because of persistent political divisions along sectarian Muslim-Christian lines, the law on passports and IDs lapsed in February and parents cannot obtain the papers for their babies, impeding such things as travel and medical treatment.

Bosnia, a country of less than four million, is a cauldron of religious and sectarian feelings on a par with Syria and Lebanon.

The CIA World Factbook put the population ratio in 2000 at roughly 48 per cent Bosniak, 37 per cent Serb and 14 per cent Croat. During the civil war that accompanied the break-up of the former Yugoslavia, its two main Christian groups, Croatian Catholic and Serb Orthodox, first ganged up on the mainly Muslim Bosniaks, before the Croatians sided with them against the Serbs.

The outcome, imposed by the United States at the 1995 Dayton talks and backed by the force of Nato fighter-bombers, is an unruly hodgepodge of a state where old animosities are never far beneath the surface and where leaders on all sides seem mainly out to sabotage each other.

The Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, as it is officially known, is divided into two largely autonomous parts. The Bosniaks are united with the Bosnian Croats in the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, while the Serbs rule the part they took over during the war, called the Republika Srpska.

On the federal level, the country has a three-member presidium and a bicameral parliament.

At the Turkish cultural centre - tellingly located in the heart of Sarajevo right next to the Bosniak cultural centre - the director of the Bosniak Institute, Akay Ceylani, shakes his head. He is well aware that his country has very close historical ties with Bosnia but knows that Turkish business is less than enthusiastic about the country. "Many people and companies come but they don't stay long, because the political situation is stuck," he said.

When Turkey's foreign ministry set up its new cultural centres outside the country, the first one was established in Sarajevo, in 2009. Turkey is a role model for many Bosnians because of its solid economic performance, said Mr Ceylani.

"Many people who study Turkish would like to have a relationship with Turkey, go work there or work in a Turkish company here," he said.

Bosnia's relationship with the rest of the Muslim world is more ambiguous: many Bosniaks have voiced interest in closer ties, some have expressed that they are not well enough informed on the Arab world and others have tended to be more cautious, noting a cultural divide.

In the shadow of the hulking King Fahd Bin AbdulAziz Alsaud mosque in the Alipasino Polje neighbourhood of Sarajevo, 27-year-old law student Sead Kerenovic and his friends, all Bosnian Muslims, ignore the call to Friday prayer. They have mixed feelings about the presence of the large building with its adjacent cultural centre.

"We belong to Europe and we have a different kind of Islam," said Mr Kerenovic.

He and his friends have appreciated that the Saudi centre has offered free courses in IT, English and Arabic, but ultimately they believe that Bosnia has little in common with the Arab world.

"Turkey is closer to us. And we want to be in the EU," said one. They said they rue the political paralysis that is for now frustrating that ambition.

The same divisions that hamper EU accession have also clouded the business climate. Turkey invested more in other Balkan countries, for example, despite a strong belief in Bosnia that it is the main recipient of Turkish investment and aid.

According to OECD figures, Turkey was the ninth largest donor of aid to Bosnia in 2010-11, giving US$23 million (Dh84.5m).

Ms Vracic of the Poulari think tank said the perception comes from "sentiments that are understandable in light of the past but much of it is just not realistic on the ground".

"Turkey simply does not invest as much in Bosnia as many other countries," she said.

However, Turkish tourists and students, among them many women dressed in long coats and headscarves, are a common sight on the streets of the Bosnian capital and in tourist destinations such as the nearby historical city of Mostar.

That's why I couldn't find any reference to any religion in that authentic movie 'No Man's Land'.

 
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So in the context of this war or the inter-ethnic hatred and conflicts of the Balkans, why refer to Bosnians as Muslims? Simply call them Bosnians. And why should Pakistan get involved or even interested?
 
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So in the context of this war or the inter-ethnic hatred and conflicts of the Balkans, why refer to Bosnians as Muslims? Simply call them Bosnians. And why should Pakistan get involved or even interested?

Because the rift was based on religious divide as well.

I don't see how Pakistan is getting involved lest it be it for the protection of Bosniaks. Pakistan air lifted heavy weaponry to them in the past to help them defend after all. But their internal politics is nothing that Pakistan ever will or ever has messed with.
 
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So in the context of this war or the inter-ethnic hatred and conflicts of the Balkans, why refer to Bosnians as Muslims? Simply call them Bosnians. And why should Pakistan get involved or even interested?

...and who said pakistan is involved only for the sake of Muslims?
 
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During the civil war that accompanied the break-up of the former Yugoslavia, its two main Christian groups, Croatian Catholic and Serb Orthodox, first ganged up on the mainly Muslim Bosniaks, before the Croatians sided with them against the Serbs.

Lol at "civil war",and no Serbs and Croats did not "gang up" on Bosniaks at the beginning it was villages with Croat majority in Bosnia who were attacked firs by the Serbs before even the war started.Bosniak-Croat war started later in 1993.
As i already wrote to you once it is wrong to make your assumptions on a subject just by watching a movie.
That movie is fiction,614 destroyed mosques (and several hundred heavily damaged) are a fact.
 
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Lol at "civil war",and no Serbs and Croats did not "gang up" on Bosniaks at the beginning it was villages with Croat majority in Bosnia who were attacked firs by the Serbs before even the war started.Bosniak-Croat war started later in 1993.
As i already wrote to you once it is wrong to make your assumptions on a subject just by watching a movie.
That movie is fiction,614 destroyed mosques (and several hundred heavily damaged) are a fact.
Many buildings were destroyed indiscriminately. Some of them happened to be mosques. 'No Man's Land' makes no mention whatsoever of religion. Even the names of the characters were secular.
 
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Many buildings were destroyed indiscriminately. Some of them happened to be mosques. 'No Man's Land' makes no mention whatsoever of religion. Even the names of the characters were secular.

While by now I am pretty sure you are just trolling I'll take the bait.Lets check some indiscriminte "destroying of buildings who happened to be mosques".


Before the hostilities preceding the General Framework Agreement some 30,000 Muslims lived in the Banja Luka region. They performed their religious practice in 15 mosques in Banja Luka: Ferhadija (Ferhat-Pasha’s), Arnaudija, Gazanferija, Sefer Bey’s, Osmanija, Hadzi-Perviz, Sofi Mehmed-Pasha’s, Hadzibegzade’s, Hisecka (Mehdibeg), Behram Efendija’s, Hadzi-Zulfikar’s, Stupnica, Dolacka-Hadzi-Omer’s, [abanaga’s and Hadzi-Kurt’s. At least 12 of these mosques were registered, as enjoying special protection, by the Institute for the Protection of the Cultural-Historic and Natural Heritage of Bosnia and Herzegovina. The majority of the mosques were built in the sixteenth and the seventeenth centuries, the oldest being about 420 years and the youngest about 180 years old.

34. There was no war activity in Banja Luka in the 1990s, but all 15 mosques in Banja Luka were destroyed between 9 April 1993 and the end of September 1993. Remains were removed from the sites of Ferhadija, Arnaudija, Gazanferija, Sefer’s Bey’s and Dolacka-Hadzi Omer’s. The destruction of the mosques and the removal of remains took place at night during the period when the city was blockaded and a curfew was in force.

35. On 18 February 1994 the Municipal Assembly of Banja Luka decided that a new regulatory plan for the areas ”South IV-VII” would be drawn up for adoption between 1994 and 2000 (Official Gazette of the Republika Srpska, No. 1/94). The decision to draw up such a plan was coupled with a ban on construction within the relevant areas during a period of three years. Most of the sites of the destroyed mosques, including Ferhadija, Arnaudija and Gazanferija, were located within those areas.

https://web.archive.org/web/2006031...r.gwdg.de/~ujvr/hrch/0000-0999/0029admmer.htm

And here is some more

Mosques and, to a lesser extent, Catholic churches have been bulldozed in city centers during daylight hours. Such public displays of destruction suggest that local and regional Bosnian Serb authorities issued orders or organized or condoned efforts to destroy Muslim and Croatian cultural and religious institutions. Human Rights Watch/Helsinki knows of no case in which Serbian authorities have made even a half-hearted effort to arrest those guilty of such destruction in the Banja Luka region.
https://www.hrw.org/reports/1994/bosnia2/

So yeah totally by accident.
 
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I know where this troll thread is going.

Indianisms incoming:

“Kashmiris should be called Kashmiris and not Muslims.”

“Pakistan has no relation to any Muslim country.”

“Muslims are not allowed to have relations with other Muslims.”

For your info OP, Bosnians love Pakistan and Pakistanis. We helped them during their genocide and have always supported them.

They are European Muslims in the same way Pakistanis are Asian/Southwest Asian Muslims.

These are all incidental traits of ours, whether black or white, every Muslim is equal and a brother and sister to another Muslim.
 
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I know where this troll thread is going.

Indianisms incoming:

“Kashmiris should be called Kashmiris and not Muslims.”

“Pakistan has no relation to any Muslim country.”

“Muslims are not allowed to have relations with other Muslims.”

For your info OP, Bosnians love Pakistan and Pakistanis. We helped them during their genocide and have always supported them.

They are European Muslims in the same way Pakistanis are Asian/Southwest Asian Muslims.

These are all incidental traits of ours, whether black or white, every Muslim is equal and a brother and sister to another Muslim.
I needed a good laugh. This is comic gold.
 
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I needed a good laugh. This is comic gold.

Bosnians and Pakistanis are best friends, we also readily intermarry and run masajid and organizations together in the West.

We don’t need your permission to have relations.

Since when is India the decider of Pakistan’s foreign policy?
 
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Bosnians and Pakistanis are best friends, we also readily intermarry and run masajid and organizations together in the West.

We don’t need your permission to have relations.

Since when is India the decider of Pakistan’s foreign policy?
why do you people even bother with these namard & worst of the worst non-believers and bullshitter?
They even know better than Bosnians what they are about so let them fap off to their 3.6 inch inverted c@#*$.
anyways, have you seen that video from way back then when we provided them with weapons, most notably antitank missiles which they successfully used and scored some victories? They mentioned & thanked their Pakistani "brothers" in the video.
 
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why do you people even bother with these namard & worst of the worst non-believers and bullshitter?
They even know better than Bosnians what they are about so let them fap off to their 3.6 inch inverted c@#*$.
anyways, have you seen that video from way back then when we provided them with weapons, most notably antitank missiles which they successfully used and scored some victories? They mentioned & thanked their Pakistani "brothers" in the video.
The tide of the war turned because of NATO strikes. The Bosnians couldn't do anything against the powerful Serbs.
 
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