Bomb blast outside indian embassy in Kabul

[Spring Onion]

I hope you were kidding.

NNN OOO NO.

i am not.

 

[Spring Onion]

When the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan we also left as we did not want to interfere in the internal affairs of Afghanistan. It turned into a hell hole. A majority of members in this forum have whined of how the US left leaving the problems of Afghanistan to Pakistan.

After 9/11 we had no choice but to return. Now everyone wants us to get out. If we leave, what do you think is going to happen again?


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You left at that time because you did not have the guts to stay without help of any foreign power not because you did not want to interfere.

You will once again leave when US is out simple as that.

So till then use all your cards. But you must remember India is non-actor in this issue.


The only legal stakholders are Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

When the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan we also left as we did not want to interfere in the internal affairs of Afghanistan. It turned into a hell hole. A majority of members in this forum have whined of how the US left leaving the problems of Afghanistan to Pakistan. After 9/11 we had no choice but to return. Now everyone wants us to get out. If we leave, what do you think is going to happen again?

This ties into your next point - the 'way' NATO has handled things for the last 8 years leaves a lot to be desired, which is leading a lot of people to conclude that if it is going to be '8 more years' of the same, then NATO might as well leave now.

By the way, the US did have a choice after 911, of negotiating with the Taliban to have the AQ leadership tried in a mutually acceptable nation, the US chose not to take that route and instead decided on war.

Where Pakistan disagrees is the US is not approaching the process the way Pakistan wants. What Pakistan wants is "certain factions of the Taliban" namely those loyal to the GOP, who are nice enough to blow up the Indian embassy couple of times a year, to be in power.

Where Pakistan disagrees is in seeing eight years of one particular line of thinking and one particular set of policies lead absolutely no where.

And this insurgency is not going to end without some factions of the Taliaban in some way, shape or form being included in the government.

i thought Pakistan's only interest in Afghanistan was to help their suffering brother muslims.

Perhaps you should broaden your intellectual horizons then, and read and research some more.

 

[Nomad]

How the hell can u compare TTP thugs with the Taliban In Afghanistan???[/B]

What is the similarities between the TTP and Afghan Taliban?

1)Same people on both sides of the border.
2)Same Ideology of slaughter.

What are the differences between the TTP and the Aghan Taliban?

1)Afghan Taliban listens to you and blows up embassies and kills innocent civilians in Afghanistan.(Good Taliban)
2)TTP used to listen to you until they wanted to be the boss. Now they don't listen to you, and blow up your hotels, UN misssions, and kill a whole bunch of innocent people.(Baad Taliban)

Afghan Taliban has denied any links with TTP & they are not against state of Pakistan

You know I believe them

 

[paritosh]

For an ideology that shuns any sort of art, music and literature, they definitely are pretty creative - but I suppose the 'art of warfare', guerrilla or otherwise, is acceptable for them.

There is also the underlying motive of perhaps trying to cast themselves more favorably in the eyes of the Pakistani establishment, as it moves towards eliminating the major center of the Pakistani taliban in South Waziristan.

If Pakistan is able to decimate the TTP in SW, then that will leave North Waziristan and any other areas where some of the Afghan Taliban find sanctuary very vulnerable, and it will possibly cut off any resources they obtain from the Tribal areas and the various militant groups based there, including AQ.

it's actually a very sensible explanation...AM.
The only other explanation (which definitely would become the accepted explanation for the GoI in the days to follow)
is that the mullah omar's taliban was instructed by it's Pakistani handlers who were growing desperate at the increasing positive Indian influence in Afghanistan and wanted to shake the Indian grasp over the Afghani sphere of operations (might stem from the belief that the TTP thugs garner support from these consulates and embassies which stand tall in the heart of Afghanistan)

ISI was blamed last time too...
I personally consider your explanation to be more reasonable...but the reality revolves around the truth behind there being a separate TTP and the Afghan Taliban.
if there is none...then your explanation becomes obvious...you can't be fighting the same *** you feed...
if however there indeed are two separate Talibans (One which the ISlamic republic of Pakistan supported diplomatically and militarily and the other being it's bad influence on kids) then I think we should consider the latter explanation also.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

What are the differences between the TTP and the Aghan Taliban?

1)Afghan Taliban listens to you and blows up embassies and kills innocent civilians in Afghanistan.(Good Taliban)
2)TTP used to listen to you until they wanted to be the boss. Now they don't listen to you, and blow up your hotels, UN misssions, and kill a whole bunch of innocent people.(Baad Taliban)

Corrections:

1. The Afghan Taliban do not listen to Pakistan and do not follow orders from Pakistan on blowing up embassies and killing innocent civilians - they didn't listen to Pakistan when we had a strong relationship with them around 911, and asked them to not destroy the Bamiyan Buddha's, hand over OBL to the US, negotiate with the Northern Alliance and share power - so there is no reason they would follow 'orders' this time around.

The Afghan Taliban are mindful of the fact that if they succeed in Afghanistan, they will need Pakistan, which is why the Afghan Talib leadership goes to pains to try and convey its opposition (publicly at least) to the TTP's actions in Pakistan, and insists it is against fighting the Pakistani state.

2. The TTP never listened to us AFAIK - they emerged out of the anger in the Tribal belt at the US invasion and the subsequent Pakistani military deployment aimed at preventing cross border movement. We had various peace deals with them, but they always collapsed.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

it's actually a very sensible explanation...AM.
The only other explanation (which definitely would become the accepted explanation for the GoI in the days to follow)
is that the mullah omar's taliban was instructed by it's Pakistani handlers who were growing desperate at the increasing positive Indian influence in Afghanistan and wanted to shake the Indian grasp over the Afghani sphere of operations (might stem from the belief that the TTP thugs garner support from these consulates and embassies which stand tall in the heart of Afghanistan)

I realize this is the India version of events, but give the ISI more credit than to suggest that it thinks a suicide bombing or two will impact Indian operations in Afghanistan. If that were the case, you would have had a whole wave of suicide bombings and attacks against Indian targets that would have started years ago.

There is no tangible strategic motive that is served by isolated suicide bombings on Indian targets in Afghanistan, just as there was no tangible strategic interest served by orchestrating the Mumbai attacks.

 

[Nomad]

You left at that time because you did not have the guts to stay without help of any foreign power not because you did not want to interfere.

Now that we have the guts (by your definition) you are whining that we are the invaders.

You will once again leave when US is out simple as that.

Maybe we will, maybe we won't.

So till then use all your cards. But you must remember India is non-actor in this issue.

Amazing, a non actor has their embassy blown up once, and the road in front of their embassy blown up once.

The only legal stakholders are Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran.

The world saw what a fine job the legal stake holders did the last time around. Maybe we should give them another chance.

 

[paritosh]

I realize this is the India version of events, but give the ISI more credit than to suggest that it thinks a suicide bombing or two will impact Indian operations in Afghanistan. If that were the case, you would have had a whole wave of suicide bombings and attacks against Indian targets that would have started years ago.

There is no tangible strategic motive that is served by isolated suicide bombings on Indian targets in Afghanistan, just as there was no tangible strategic interest served by orchestrating the Mumbai attacks.

AM...what has any terrorist attack ever achieved?
as far as the wave after wave of attacks is concerned...the Taliban isn't sitting pretty in afghanistan is it?
They vowed to cut-off the voting ink laced fingers...and we know how successful they were at that.

and if tangible strategic interests were the first and foremost priority...then terrorist organizations would have done a lot more than to just pick up weapons..take Castro's example...he was a strategically minded terrorist he worked a lot for good PR against Batista ( least in Cuba)

There is no tangible strategic motive that is served by isolated suicide bombings on Indian targets in Afghanistan

from who's viewpoint?
Afghanistan I agree...but in the case of Pakistan's....the growing Indian influence in their once satellite nation is a cause of concern let alone the fear of what happens withing the walls of the Indian embassies and consulates...I am merely trying to put forward a discussion which we might be having in some days in a different thread once some Indian neta curses Pakistan and the ISI...

but then we have your explanation also...which sounds good too...we might never know

 

[HAIDER]

India should realize the historical background of any hate attacks. India support Russia during the invasion of Afghanistan. India is equally responsible for the destruction of Afghanistan. If Afghans are angry at Indians.......its natural....what eva they doing is wrong...but can somone control the mind of man from lawless land....where mind is free to think, without knowing the consequences and judging environment...where society built on revenge.....Indians can do atrocities anywhere in the world....but aggressive response can be justified in civil manner.....?
Hope peace prevail on that land soon. Both India and Russia dip their hands in Afghan blood.

 

[pakomar]

What goes around comes around?

 

[Nomad]

Corrections:

1. The Afghan Taliban do not listen to Pakistan and do not follow orders from Pakistan on blowing up embassies and killing innocent civilians - they didn't listen to Pakistan when we had a strong relationship with them around 911, and asked them to not destroy the Bamiyan Buddha's, hand over OBL to the US, negotiate with the Northern Alliance and share power - so there is no reason they would follow 'orders' this time around.

The Afghan Taliban are mindful of the fact that if they succeed in Afghanistan, they will need Pakistan, which is why the Afghan Talib leadership goes to pains to try and convey its opposition (publicly at least) to the TTP's actions in Pakistan, and insists it is against fighting the Pakistani state.

2. The TTP never listened to us AFAIK - they emerged out of the anger in the Tribal belt at the US invasion and the subsequent Pakistani military deployment aimed at preventing cross border movement. We had various peace deals with them, but they always collapsed.

Corrections to Corrections
1) The Afghan Taliban (good Taliban) will listen more to Pakistan as long as they need help to get back power in Afghanistan. After that they will listen when both their interest and GOP interests are copacetic. For example when the terrorist hijacked the Indian airliner. The examples you have given are when had consolidated power in Afghanistan and did not need Pakistan as much. There is no proof other than public statements of the GOP in regards to the Bamiyan Buddahs or the Northern Alliance, what was said in private who knows.

I agree with your second point "The Afghan Taliban are mindful of the fact that if they succeed in Afghanistan, they will need Pakistan."

So lets look at who would want the Indian embassies blown up. Which nation has cried to every world body about the Indian consulates in Afghanistan. How they are formenting terror (without a shred of evidence). Since no one has really gave a crap about such whining it was time to pull the the chain of the Afghan Taliban to blow up the Indian Embassy. Except this time they managed to put a hole in the ground in front of the embassy.

What have the Afghan Taliban have to gain by blowing up the Indian Embassy? Nothing.
If they are fighting against the people occupying their land they could have tried to blow up the embassies of any of the so called "occupying nations" . Why not?
Instead they have twice tried to blow up the embassy of a nation that is not occupying their country. Why? Their paymasters needed that meddling nation to be dealt with.

2) The TTP were also good Taliban until things started going wrong. The emerged out of the Afghan Taliban that found santcuary in the tribal belt when they got the boot from Afghanistan. The only problem was they wanted more power. The problems started heating up only after the Red Mosque massacre.The GOP tried appeasement after appeasement. Only when they appeared 60Km from Islamabad did you guys wake up.

There is a saying "when you play with fire, sooner or later you get burned". If you guys can't can't see all the fires in your back yard....

 

[Zee-Gen]

First of all what ISI is doing is as per protocol, no security agency just cut off all its contacts and dump that. This is the basic rule, which every country follows. After decades Russia still has its stake holders in Afghanistan. So, if ISI is still in contact with Taliban there is nothing wrong in it logically and professionally.

Secondly bombing at each other is not the way how security agencies work because, by doing this, no one will get nothing. From decades ISI and RAW are playing cat and mouse game to each other and u will find hardly any example of “just bombing” at each other's assets because by doing this there will be tit for tat...........Cold war era between US and USSR is an example. The important thing will always be what will be the outcome?

The point is if Pakistan is involved in it than what will be the fruitful outcome for Pakistan? Of course nothing……….and my question is when a blast hit Pakistan and TTP accepts it u said “look what ur own children are doing to u” and when same thing happen to indian embassy and Taliban accepts it u said “ISI or Pakistan is behind it” why??????????

 

[PakSher]

Talibaan attacking anyone helping the Karzai government. It could be US, ISAF, Germany, NATO, India or UN. Blaming Pakistan is baseless and is based on emotion. OK, there was a blast in Islamabad at the UN Offices, I think India did that, that should not resolve the issue. Also we need get the extradition of the Indian Army Colonel that bombed the Thar Express Train and killed 93 Pakistani citizens. Though feel bad for the innocent people that lost their lives in Kabul.

 

[Halaku Khan]

So lets look at who would want the Indian embassies blown up. Which nation has cried to every world body about the Indian consulates in Afghanistan. How they are formenting terror (without a shred of evidence). Since no one has really gave a crap about such whining it was time to pull the the chain of the Afghan Taliban to blow up the Indian Embassy. Except this time they managed to put a hole in the ground in front of the embassy.

What have the Afghan Taliban have to gain by blowing up the Indian Embassy? Nothing.
If they are fighting against the people occupying their land they could have tried to blow up the embassies of any of the so called "occupying nations" . Why not?
Instead they have twice tried to blow up the embassy of a nation that is not occupying their country. Why? Their paymasters needed that meddling nation to be dealt with.

Good points.