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Boeing, Airbus to Lose Billions in Orders From Trump’s Iran Sanctions
Boeing and Airbus signed more than $40 billion in combined deals after sanctions were lifted in 2016. These orders now stand to be voided.
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An Airbus A321 arrives at Tehran Mehrabad International Airport as part of the first delivery of planes to Iran Air on Jan. 12, 2017. Photo: atta kenare/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images
By
Robert Wall in London and
Nicolas Parasie in Dubai
May 9, 2018 10:51 a.m. ET
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The world’s largest plane makers were the biggest and earliest beneficiaries of the Obama administration’s detente with Iran. President Donald Trump’s decision to walk away from the deal could leave them the first and hardest hit.

Boeing Co. , the world’s largest plane maker, and European rival Airbus SE signed more than $40 billion in combined plane deals with Iranian carriers after the U.S. and five other world powers lifted sanctions in return for Tehran agreeing to curb its nuclear ambitions.

Those orders stand to be voided after the White House said it would rescind licenses for plane exports to Iran, following President Trump’s decision Tuesday to pull the U.S. out of what he called a “one sided” nuclear deal.

The fortunes of Boeing and Airbus are closely linked to far bigger markets in the U.S., Europe and Asia, but Iran has long presented an attractive growth market, because of the country’s old fleet of planes and large population eager to travel. Iranian officials have suggested the country could need 400 planes or more over the next decade, making it potentially one of the world’s biggest airplane growth markets.

Iranian airlines that were stuck with some of the world’s oldest fleets after years of being blocked from buying new planes were looking to introduce new western jets to revive their fortunes.

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Airbus had delivered three of its 100 planes ordered by Iran Air before the U.S. decision—those planes combined are valued at around $600 million at list price. No Boeing planes have gone to Iran under contracts announced with Iran Air and Iran Aseman Airlines after the lifting of sanctions by the Obama administration in 2016.

Airbus, which is subject to U.S. rules because its planes use American-made components, said it was evaluating next steps and would comply with U.S. sanctions and export control regulations. Boeing had no comment.

Turboprop maker ATR, a joint venture between Airbus and Italy’s Leonardo SpA, said it had delivered eight of 20 planes Iran Air ordered for delivery between last year and this under a contract valued at around $536 million. A further 12 planes in various stages of production are now in limbo. ATR wouldn’t comment on what may happen to the planes.

Though the deals carried multibillion-dollar price tags before industry standard discounts, analysts see minimal impacts on Airbus and Boeing from the U.S. decision. Both manufacturers have backlogs of orders assuring production for several years from other airlines.

“The total number of orders affected represents just 2% of the companies’ combined order backlogs,” Bernstein Research said in a note.

Airbus shares were about 1% lower Wednesday in Europe, trading just shy of their all-time high. Boeing shares closed 0.6% lower Tuesday and were up slightly in early New York trade Wednesday.

Iranian carriers, which have limited options to go elsewhere for new planes, are seen as the biggest losers.

Implications of Trump’s Iran Move
Washington’s action “will slow down Iran’s vital re-equipage and fleet upgrade,” said Andrew Charlton, managing director of Aviation Advocacy, a Geneva-based consultancy.

Iranian carriers haven’t said how they will react. Options to source planes from other makers are limited, though, because U.S. parts are incorporated by Brazilian, Canadian, Russian and Chinese plane makers. Plus, none of those manufacturers offer the full range of planes Iranian carriers seek.

The U.S. government said that after a period for companies to wind down dealings with Iran that ends Aug. 6, commercial plane licenses will formally be revoked. It said it would still consider permitting the sale of plane parts to assure flight safety.

Concern over the future of the nuclear deal had already weighed on airlines doing business flying to Iran. Demand for lucrative business travel softened as concerns increased that President Trump would walk away from the accord, according to airline officials.

Air France-KLM SA, one of Europe’s biggest airlines, announced in May it would curtail service to Tehran because of “weak economic performance.” The flights, operated by the Franco-Dutch carriers Joon operation, will only serve the Iranian capital in the summer months and be suspended for about five months starting in late October.

Etihad Airways, the flag carrier for Abu Dhabi, suspended flights to Tehran in January amid poor profitability.

Emirates Airline Chairman Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum said the carrier would react to demand changes, without signaling if the airline, the world’s largest by international traffic, would adjust its flights to Iran.

Car makers and oil companies, such as Total SA and Royal Dutch Shell PLC, are among other businesses that courted deals in Iran. Shell said it was assessing the impact of the executive order. Total declined to comment after the announcement.

Write to Robert Wall at robert.wall@wsj.com and Nicolas Parasie at nicolas.parasie@wsj.com
 
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i was worry in past why Iran is wasting time why not quickly thy got three types of used but fresh aircraft ? why not they start purchasing young less then 5 years old b-777s a-320s and smaller aircraft ? its just wasted opportunity man . i think they still have time quickly select some 50+ b-777 and a-320s for safety of public man . they wasted all these years for dreaming of brand new jets not they can not got even used one .if you search you can find dozens of airlines and leasing companies want to get rid of their fresh b-777s and a320s .
 
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i was worry in past why Iran is wasting time why not quickly thy got three types of used but fresh aircraft ? why not they start purchasing young less then 5 years old b-777s a-320s and smaller aircraft ? its just wasted opportunity man . i think they still have time quickly select some 50+ b-777 and a-320s for safety of public man . they wasted all these years for dreaming of brand new jets not they can not got even used one .if you search you can find dozens of airlines and leasing companies want to get rid of their fresh b-777s and a320s .
Money gone in mola pocket or in sectarian wars,,,,,,,,,, they tried to bribe USA and Europe with these deals( dame as KSA) but this did not work for them.
 
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Money gone in mola pocket or in sectarian wars,,,,,,,,,, they tried to bribe USA and Europe with these deals( dame as KSA) but this did not work for them.
my point of view is for humanitarian base only sir why poor public fly a-300 and b-747-200 junk sir . they wasted a huge opportunity .if i was on the decision making seat i select immediately only three types on jets and keep buying brand new or used ASAP sanctions were left . i think Pakistanis are smart we buy f-16 and buy 506 AMRAAMs and 300 aim9 so next 20 years we have no need of asking USA for weapons same we did with super cobra we order 1000 hell fire . USA is not trust worthy partner it can make mess anytime .
 
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Is there psychology behind this? Like when the victim starts developing affection for the abuser. Stockholm Syndrome?? This is how Iran is behaving. I bet at the next available chance Iran will go running to US again to buy but promptly get kicked in the teeth. These mullas are truely bayghairat.

On another note. $40 billion. This tells you how determined Trump is and how strong the anti Iran lobby is in USA. Normally Americans won't let a dollar pass but when it comes to hatred of Iran no money is enough to cool it.
 
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Is there psychology behind this? Like when the victim starts developing affection for the abuser. Stockholm Syndrome?? This is how Iran is behaving. I bet at the next available chance Iran will go running to US again to buy but promptly get kicked in the teeth. These mullas are truely bayghairat.

On another note. $40 billion. This tells you how determined Trump is and how strong the anti Iran lobby is in USA. Normally Americans won't let a dollar pass but when it comes to hatred of Iran no money is enough to cool it.
sir what will be the future fleet is already falling apart in iranians airlines . they can not keep then airworthy for next 20 years these junks .
 
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Russia and China also build airliners nowadays.
Iranian knows that too , but they spent that money as bribe , just like KSA , but this did not work fro them.
Simple KSA and others spend more lol,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, In short all is about Money.
But as ImranKhan said ,,,,,,,,,,, it is all gone now , what a waist of opportunity . .
 
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On another note. $40 billion. This tells you how determined Trump is and how strong the anti Iran lobby is in USA. Normally Americans won't let a dollar pass but when it comes to hatred of Iran no money is enough to cool it.

They have saudi arabia.Saudi will immediatly pay more than 40 billion $
 
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Boeing has a US order backlog of 5800 airplanes . I don't think 100 airplanes order loss due to sanctions will affect them.



Boeing claims Iran sanctions won’t affect its production pipeline

Boeing top executive in the Middle East said the company's conservative strategy will protect it from any loss of business with Iran.

Boeing is playing down an estimated loss of $20 billion of sales to Iranian airlines after the U.S. moved to withdraw from a nuclear pact and re-impose sanctions on Tehran. Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin announced Wednesday that Boeing licenses to sell aircraft to Iran would be revoked following President decision.





"We mitigated the risk of Iran in our production plans. For 777 and 737 programs, there will be no risk at this time. Beyond that, we are following the lead of the U.S. government and we will consult with them as necessary," he said.



Dunn added that Boeing was a conservative company and that earnings results underlined a risk-averse strategy.



"Anything that happens for us with Iran would have been and will be, an opportunity. Beyond that, we are just going to follow the U.S. government on this."






Workers load a shipment of aid on to a Boeing 747 cargo plane at Schoenefeld Airport on November 13, 2013.

The comments echoed CEO Dennis Muilenburg who said in Washington Wednesday that the company had not committed any production slots for planes to sell to Iran and it would "follow the U.S. government's lead."


Boeing has early agreements with Iranian airlines for 110 planes worth about $20 billion at list prices. This pales with the U.S. firm's wider backlog which at the end of March, sat at about 5,800 airplanes.



The U.S. planemaker announced the largest of its deals with Iranian airlines in December 2016. This included 80 jets for Iran Air, including 50 of the 737 MAX 8 model.



And in April 2017, Iran Aseman Airlines signed an agreement to purchase 30 Boeing 737 MAX planes, with an option to buy 30 more.



Airlines analyst at Seeking Alpha, Dhierin Bechai, said in a note Wednesday that Boeing's deals with Iranian customers have only ever reached a tentative stage.



"It is hard to speak about a loss for Boeing, since no final purchase agreements with Iranian customers were ever drafted and it's really simple, you can't lose any orders if you didn't log any," Bechai said.



 
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my point of view is for humanitarian base only sir why poor public fly a-300 and b-747-200 junk sir . they wasted a huge opportunity .if i was on the decision making seat i select immediately only three types on jets and keep buying brand new or used ASAP sanctions were left . i think Pakistanis are smart we buy f-16 and buy 506 AMRAAMs and 300 aim9 so next 20 years we have no need of asking USA for weapons same we did with super cobra we order 1000 hell fire . USA is not trust worthy partner it can make mess anytime .
Sir g , Greed , Greed of power , more land , control , influence , religious or sectarian gains,,,,,, and above all Money(personal benefits) put all humanitarian things in dustbin ..... don't go to Iran , just look in Baluchistan you will find out great example let me name it , Chadar wali Sarkar whole family in power .
 
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i was worry in past why Iran is wasting time why not quickly thy got three types of used but fresh aircraft ? why not they start purchasing young less then 5 years old b-777s a-320s and smaller aircraft ? its just wasted opportunity man . i think they still have time quickly select some 50+ b-777 and a-320s for safety of public man . they wasted all these years for dreaming of brand new jets not they can not got even used one .if you search you can find dozens of airlines and leasing companies want to get rid of their fresh b-777s and a320s .
because it was supposed to be finance by european side ...
 
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