Bilawal's convoy pelted with stones in Karachi's Lyari, 2 injured

[pak-marine]

Old enough to remember that in the 70's there was a widespread news in Karachi that Zulfi Bhutto came to Liaqatabad (then Lalu Khet) for a rally and the people of the area LITERALLY put a garland of shoes around his neck. Many people believed that. Of course it was not true. But hahaha!

Except for a couple of areas, the people of Karachi have always voted for non-PPP parties. Anyway, I hope PPP loses everywhere. Especially in Interior Sindh. Sad to say this because I had been a PPP supporter since mid 80s. Pakistan needs another center of Left party or a PPP revived in some other way.

since you mentioned that you have been a witness to khi politics just curious to know why khi walas have been " so anti PPP " since ppp's inception never they won many seats from karachi is it an ethinic thing or else ??

 

[fitpOsitive]

Old enough to remember that in the 70's there was a widespread news in Karachi that Zulfi Bhutto came to Liaqatabad (then Lalu Khet) for a rally and the people of the area LITERALLY put a garland of shoes around his neck. Many people believed that. Of course it was not true. But hahaha!

Except for a couple of areas, the people of Karachi have always voted for non-PPP parties. Anyway, I hope PPP loses everywhere. Especially in Interior Sindh. Sad to say this because I had been a PPP supporter since mid 80s. Pakistan needs another center of Left party or a PPP revived in some other way.

Ay Mohabbat, tere anjam pe rona aaya...

 

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[Trango Towers]

i am really disgusted they threw stone...............shame of Pakistan. we used to fire bullets

 

[Meengla]

since you mentioned that you have been a witness to khi politics just curious to know why khi walas have been " so anti PPP " since ppp's inception never they won many seats from karachi is it an ethinic thing or else ??

Good question. A short answer would be that PPP even from early 1970's was a Sindhi ethnic party. Mumtaz Bhutto's equating Sindhi language with Urdu in (1972?) caused ethnic riots in Urban Sindh. I remember the graffitis in mid 70's Karachi: "Let's make Karachi a Province". "Let bring back Urdu as our language." That was Karachi's reaction to Mumtaz Bhutto. But..also the Mohajirs of Karachi/Urban Sindh were, while more liberal than other Pakistanis, still thought 'Islam' as the primary identity. So they voted for JUP (Noorani) and Jamaat e Islami in the 1970/1977 elections. Prior to that, they voted for Fatima Jinnah. There was no MQM.

Anyway, there were/are no Pakistanis more devoted to Pakistan than the migrants from India. We had burned our boats to migrate from India. Urdu was/should be THE National, unifying language of Pakistan. The Bengalis of E. Pakistan thought otherwise. The Sindhis thought/still think so that their's is the greatest. I don't think either Sindhi or Bengali language should vanish: But to build a 'nation', you DO NEED some unifying language. Urdu was Quad e Azam's choice. It should be Pakistan's choice.

 

[HAIDER]

Wait ............. imagine , people hunting and rolling in the streets in search of water in extremely hot day.. no power , no water the basic necessity ...... and suddenly a kid in top cool car with mineral water bottle in hand appeared in front of these people to elect him as leader............. what you think what will be the reaction ???????????????????????????

 

[I S I]

i am really disgusted they threw stone...............shame of Pakistan. we used to fire bullets

We used to be suicide bombers too. Where the hell are we going? Damn shame on us. Sir ziaulhaq must be disowning us in "Heaven".

 

[pak-marine]

Good question. A short answer would be that PPP even from early 1970's was a Sindhi ethnic party. Mumtaz Bhutto's equating Sindhi language with Urdu in (1972?) caused ethnic riots in Urban Sindh. I remember the graffitis in mid 70's Karachi: "Let's make Karachi a Province". "Let bring back Urdu as our language." That was Karachi's reaction to Mumtaz Bhutto. But..also the Mohajirs of Karachi/Urban Sindh were, while more liberal than other Pakistanis, still thought 'Islam' as the primary identity. So they voted for JUP (Noorani) and Jamaat e Islami in the 1970/1977 elections. Prior to that, they voted for Fatima Jinnah. There was no MQM.

Anyway, there were/are no Pakistanis more devoted to Pakistan than the migrants from India. We had burned our boats to migrate from India. Urdu was/should be THE National, unifying language of Pakistan. The Bengalis of E. Pakistan thought otherwise. The Sindhis thought/still think so that their's is the greatest. I don't think either Sindhi or Bengali language should vanish: But to build a 'nation', you DO NEED some unifying language. Urdu was Quad e Azam's choice. It should be Pakistan's choice.

So it was a ethinic thing , i can see why urduay and sindhis never get along . They have been the closest residents but yet far enoung because of their ethno lingual disputes and been in an info era they cannot surpass their disputes .. well played i should say

 

[Meengla]

So it was a ethinic thing , i can see why urduay and sindhis never get along . They have been the closest residents but yet far enoung because of their ethno lingual disputes and been in an info era they cannot surpass their disputes .. well played i should say

Of course I am no expert in these things. Just because I 'was there' then doesn't make me one. However, I can give honest recollections from that era based on what the Urdu speakers thought and said, including the thoughts about Bengalis as being 'traitors' right after the 1971 war. I vividly remember the word 'Bengali' was a curse word in Karachi in early 1972. So that should tell you that ZAB was not alone against Mujib: The entire W. Pakistan was on his side. But that's a different topic--I can refer you to a couple of YouTube videos where Orya Maqbool is interviewing a 94 year old Roedad Khan: A sweeping history of Pakistan--a Must-Watch for every Pakistani!

Coming back the Urdu speakers vs Sindhi: There are grounds for distrust from both sides. Sindhis did open up their hearts and homes for the immigrants from India. There was true brotherhood. However, the number of migrants and their distinct culture/language was not something that would be easy for assimilation: The immigrants were often urbane, highly educated, AND often had financial means. They were often educated in prestigious institutions such as the Aligarh University. They could not be assimilated into a very feudal Sindhi culture. The divide was unfortunate but inevitable.

But I also think that Urdu speakers blundered by agitating against Mumtaz Bhutto's giving parity to Sindhi language: So what's wrong in learning Sindhi? It's a rich language with a deep history. It could NEVER replace Urdu in Sindh. Also, Urdu speakers blundered by making the Quota System a bone of contention: It was kind of an Affirmative Action as in USA. And it was unfair to Urdu Speakers. But the govt jobs were still far fewer than what peace and tranquility in Sindh would provide via the private jobs. Sindhis, rightly, feel aggrieved and betrayed. And then MQM's backstabbing of Benazir's first govt came...Haramkhors like Altaf Hussein are the traitors of Pakistan.

 

[greenblooded]

finally people are waking up to reality

 

[Meengla]

We used to be suicide bombers too. Where the hell are we going? Damn shame on us. Sir ziaulhaq must be disowning us in "Heaven".

Good response. Its a matter of shame and concern that people are advocating violence. Violence begets violence. That's gradually sinking into Pakistani political class. There were so many who had cheered the judicial execution of ZAB in 1979, including me and my family. But now there is almost a universal condemnation and regret about that tragedy. Some people are even remorseful of their role, such as Justice Naseem.

 

[Last starfighter]

BBZ aka the gay smiler