Best thing to happen to Pakistani tax collection: Pay your taxes or get penalised

[Syed1.]

Just so people know Al Capone one of the biggest mobster in the world was not convicted for the 100s of murders he had committed but for income tax evasion. It is easier to hide a dead body than a stash of stolen money.

 

[maverick1977]

2+2 can never be 5, thats what nawaz and family did.. that extra money, how did you get it? qatri or corruption.. straight to jail if cant proven.

 

[Abdussamad]

It is a criminal offence in all countries for failing to pay taxes or falsely declaring income in order to pay lesser tax.

Not in Pakistan! There is no law against tax evasion in the country. They will have to make it illegal first:

The higher withholding tax was meant to increase the number of filers, but the focus was stuck to raising additional revenue. “The measure has not achieved the desired results as the present regime does not provide any legal framework to ensure filing of returns by such non-filers,” the FBR said.
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“In order to remove the misconception, the concept and the term of non-filer is being abolished from the Income Tax Ordinance, 2001.” The FBR said a separate law has been proposed for punitive measures against individuals not appearing on the ATL to force the non-compliant taxpayers to file returns.

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We will have to wait and see if the biggest tax evaders in the country, i.e. the ones sitting in parliament, pass this law that hurts their self interest.

 

[Clutch]

In Pakistan business opportunity is already limited due to tough economic conditions and if govt impose high taxes on business already operating near break even they will windup their business and move to other place where more business opportunities and good economy.Govt will be able to collect tax for one year only and in next year there would be no income earned by business available on which govt imposes tax and also unemployment will rise.Its example is like a person who in greed of gold eggs slaughtered hen and got one gold egg but due to his foolishness got deprived of multiple gold eggs given if hen would have remained alive

Criminals always justify their crimes one way or another. Justification of your crimes isnt allowed in islam or any other law.

 

[Yaseen1]

in Islam tax evasion is not a crime for a Muslim.Only Zakat evasion is a crime and a person who is eligible for Zakat must have required wealth for one year unlike taxes which are cut on person earning 50000rs per month who is exempted from Zakat under Islamic laws based on current price of gold in international market.So not bring Islam to defend Riba based unIslamic economy.
I am not justifying and and we will see how much economy flourishes after high taxes in a country with worst economic conditions and incapability of govt ,Time will tell this as there are much better options available for businessman to invest money abroad due to greater connectivity of world and good economic conditions.If economic conditions are good and profits of businesses are high they will pay high taxes but no one will pay any tax on bearing loss

Criminals always justify their crimes one way or another. Justification of your crimes isnt allowed in islam or any other law.

 

[Clutch]

in Islam tax evasion is not a crime for a Muslim.Only Zakat evasion is a crime and a person who is eligible for Zakat must have required wealth for one year unlike taxes which are cut on person earning 50000rs per month who is exempted from Zakat under Islamic laws based on current price of gold in international market.So not bring Islam to defend Riba based unIslamic economy

Of course it is. Only a jahil mullah would say it isnt? Im sure you are not a jahil mullah, are you?

In islam not obeying the law and rules of your country is haram. You have to pay your dues on what you owe others. Otherwise you will have failed societies where mullahism would reign supreme. Disaster.

Its interesting... I remember you posting on another thread that you would be interested in going to the West or outside pakistan (immigrating)... Y

you believe... Riba based unIslamic economy... So you can be a corrupt non-tax payer... Law abuser... You want to immigrate and break laws of other countries??... Typical mullah... Corrupt.

 

[Yaseen1]

In Islamic country we are not required to follow this law but as far as non Muslim country is concerned we have no other option but to pay taxes as they are nonMuslims and not believe in Islam or not know Islamic teachings but after believing in Islam there is no justification for implementing non Islamic laws .
When govt provide us opportunity and good living conditions and jobs then why we migrate to foreign country

Of course it is. Only a jahil mullah would say it isnt? Im sure you are not a jahil mullah, are you?

In islam not obeying the law and rules of your country is haram. You have to pay your dues on what you owe others. Otherwise you will have failed societies where mullahism would reign supreme. Disaster.

Its interesting... I remember you posting on another thread that you would be interested in going to the West or outside pakistan (immigrating)... Y

you believe... Riba based unIslamic economy... So you can be a corrupt non-tax payer... Law abuser... You want to immigrate and break laws of other countries??... Typical mullah... Corrupt.

 

[Clutch]

In Islamic country we are not required to follow this law but as far as non Muslim country is concerned we have no other option but to pay taxes as they are nonMuslims and not believe in Islam or not know Islamic teachings but after believing in Islam there is no justification for implementing non Islamic laws .
When govt provide us opportunity and good living conditions and jobs then why we migrate to foreign country

Do you have any dollars or rupee cash?

 

[Yaseen1]

let me explain you Islamic model.In Islam minimum zakat rate is defined and anyone who not pay this amount is severely punished but at the same time Islam not limits the voluntarily payment to state by rich people and public and one can even pay all his wealth to govt voluntarily for betterment of country that is why Islam has placed high importance on integrity of leaders who are in government so people trust them and pay them high amounts voluntarily when govt need money like Hazrat AbuBakar Sidique R.A presented His whole wealth in front of Holy Prophet(P.B.U.H) and Hazrat Umer R.A voluntarily gave His Half Wealth in the path of ALLAH ALMIGHTY .
So instead of forcing people to pay taxes govt should promote voluntarily contribution of wealth for nation but for this govt has to show public that they are honest and will spend this amount for betterment of public
Similarly for defense people should be asked to make voluntarily contribution for procurement of weapons
In Islam govt is not allowed to privatize minerals and other profit earning source as well as natural resources and govt must have control over such resources to earn revenue for running country

Do you have any dollars or rupee cash?

 

[AZ1]

Of course it is. Only a jahil mullah would say it isnt? Im sure you are not a jahil mullah, are you?

In islam not obeying the law and rules of your country is haram. You have to pay your dues on what you owe others. Otherwise you will have failed societies where mullahism would reign supreme. Disaster.

Its interesting... I remember you posting on another thread that you would be interested in going to the West or outside pakistan (immigrating)... Y

you believe... Riba based unIslamic economy... So you can be a corrupt non-tax payer... Law abuser... You want to immigrate and break laws of other countries??... Typical mullah... Corrupt.

Well currently 99% person are non income tax payer to be honest. First you are mixing haram and halal. Tax system is based on Human made and not from ALLAH.

In Hazrat Umar Farooq R.A, these were the taxes imposed

Following were the main sources of revenue

(i) Jizya (Indemnity or Defence Tax);
(ii) Zakat(Poor Tax);
(iii) Khiraj(Land Tax);
(iv) 'Ushr (Special land Tax);
(v) Booty(Income from the conquered places)
(vi) Tax on non-Muslim merchants or traders (because they did pay Zakat).


You can't ask people to pay tax and tax and tax and don't do anything regarding

70 minister buying car from that tax money?


Unjust tax should not be appreciated at all. At current situation, Direct Tax is on one hand, Indirect Tax on other hand and Pakistan is on 3rd number in giving charities and Pay Zakat Al Hum Dulillah we all Muslim do or majority does yet we are poor country. So there is something really wrong with the country system which should be corrected first in order to gain the trust of the public.

How much money has been brought back from corrupt? Remember Imran khan told in his speech that in 10 years loans went from 6 Arab to 30 arab rupees and who took these loan? then he went on telling us shabaz has this money, nawaz has this zardari has this.

Bring those money back? Why burdening poor people more and more and not doing the main part from his side?


This increasing of tax will bring riot in the country against him and his voter will turn him down.

 

[Army research]

so I'll have to go to FBR office, pay the bribes and perform the due process right?


My mother is doing a Govt Job, so her tax is automatically deducted, and is also shown on her pay slip. But she is not issued an NTN number and is not classified as a filer

It's online dude chill , my dad's a military man ( r) taxes get struck from salary but he still has to file tax returns online , and then get tax rebate

 

[Kabira]

in Islam tax evasion is not a crime for a Muslim.Only Zakat evasion is a crime and a person who is eligible for Zakat must have required wealth for one year unlike taxes which are cut on person earning 50000rs per month who is exempted from Zakat under Islamic laws based on current price of gold in international market.So not bring Islam to defend Riba based unIslamic economy.
I am not justifying and and we will see how much economy flourishes after high taxes in a country with worst economic conditions and incapability of govt ,Time will tell this as there are much better options available for businessman to invest money abroad due to greater connectivity of world and good economic conditions.If economic conditions are good and profits of businesses are high they will pay high taxes but no one will pay any tax on bearing loss

How do you expect state to defend nation and provide services to citizens with random zakat collected by mullahs in mosques?

 

[Yaseen1]

How do you expect state to defend nation and provide services to citizens with random zakat collected by mullahs in mosques?

let me explain you Islamic model.In Islam minimum zakat rate is defined and anyone who not pay this amount is severely punished but at the same time Islam not limits the voluntarily payment to state by rich people and public and one can even pay all his wealth to govt voluntarily for betterment of country that is why Islam has placed high importance on integrity of leaders who are in government so people trust them and pay them high amounts voluntarily when govt need money like Hazrat AbuBakar Sidique R.A presented His whole wealth in front of Holy Prophet(P.B.U.H) and Hazrat Umer R.A voluntarily gave His Half Wealth in the path of ALLAH ALMIGHTY .
So instead of forcing people to pay taxes govt should promote voluntarily contribution of wealth for nation but for this govt has to show public that they are honest and will spend this amount for betterment of public
Similarly for defense people should be asked to make voluntarily contribution for procurement of weapons
In Islam govt is not allowed to privatize minerals and other profit earning source as well as natural resources and govt must have control over such resources to earn revenue for running country
Afghan taliban defeated u.s without imposing tax and using same zakat for purpose of Jihad so we can also run country using Islamic model

 

[Pakistansdefender]

in Islam tax evasion is not a crime for a Muslim.Only Zakat evasion is a crime and a person who is eligible for Zakat must have required wealth for one year unlike taxes which are cut on person earning 50000rs per month who is exempted from Zakat under Islamic laws based on current price of gold in international market.So not bring Islam to defend Riba based unIslamic economy.
I am not justifying and and we will see how much economy flourishes after high taxes in a country with worst economic conditions and incapability of govt ,Time will tell this as there are much better options available for businessman to invest money abroad due to greater connectivity of world and good economic conditions.If economic conditions are good and profits of businesses are high they will pay high taxes but no one will pay any tax on bearing loss

The tax is taken on early basis .
Yar had hoti hai.
Now you are justifying tax evasion with Islam and you want Pakistan to be super power.
You can change the name of tax to zakat but please don't dub it anti Islamic.

 

[Yaseen1]

Tax rate change every time but zakat rate is fixed so it is not same to zakat

The tax is taken on early basis .
Yar had hoti hai.
Now you are justifying tax evasion with Islam and you want Pakistan to be super power.
You can change the name of tax to zakat but please don't dub it anti Islamic.