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Beijing Sends Spy Ship To Monitor Rimpac Wargames After Being Disinvited

by Tyler Durden
Mon, 07/16/2018

A Chinese spy ship is currently monitoring the US-led Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) war games off the waters of Hawaii after Beijing was disinvited from the event, according to USNI News. The People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) Dongdiao-class auxiliary general intelligence (AGI) spy vessel was first spotted near the event on July 11, though it has not entered the territorial waters of the United States.

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"We expect the ship will remain outside the territorial seas of the U.S. and not operate in a manner that disrupts ongoing RIMPAC exercise," US Pacific Fleet spokesman Capt. Charlie Brown told USNI, adding "We’ve taken all precautions necessary to protect our critical information. The ship’s presence has not affected the conduct of the exercise."

"We continue to uphold the principle of freedom of navigation and overflight in accordance with international law."

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The spy ship's presence was criticized by the commander of the exercise's combined forces maritime component, Chilean Commodore Pablo Nieman.

"It is very disappointing that the presence of a non-participating ship could disrupt the exercise," Nieman said in a statement. "I hope and expect all seafarers to act professionally so we may continue to focus on the work at hand and building on the spirit of cooperation that gives purpose to this exercise."

The presence of the ship off of Hawaii can be used a tool to justify more U.S. presence operations closer to China, Andrew Erickson, a professor at the Naval War College, told USNI News on Friday.

“The U.S. shouldn’t let China have it both ways,” he said. “No matter what Beijing says or does, U.S. forces must continue to operate wherever international law permits, including in, under, and over the South China Sea—a vital part of the global maritime commons that is 1.5 times the size of the Mediterranean and contains substantial areas that no nation can legally claim for itself or restrict access to in any way.” -USNI

A similar Russian spy ship observed the RIMPAC games in 2016 when China was a participant.

On May 23 the Pentagon announced that it was disinviting China from the exercise due to the recent militarization of the South China Sea, while Vietnam was invited to participate for the first time. Also making their debut will be Israel and Sri Lanka. The People's Republic of China (PRC) had participated in 2014 and 2016.

The 47-ship, five submarine exercise between twenty-six countries will feature over 200 aircraft and be manned by around 25,000 personnel according to the US Navy. It will also feature the first live firing of the Lockheed LRASM anti-ship missile.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...onitor-rimpac-wargames-after-being-disinvited

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There is nothing wrong watching the games in a friendly manner...
 
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There is nothing wrong watching the games in a friendly manner...

no there isn't :)

still, China could benefit a lot more by letting go of their claim over the South China Sea, and rejoining such international exercises.

problem is, Chinese probably think differently about that at the moment.
 
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no there isn't

For China, it is a good, practical exercise. Besides, some foreign communications and war strategies could be acquired. From pragmatic perspective, being there is better than not being there.

still, China could benefit a lot more by letting go of their claim over the South China Sea, and rejoining such international exercises.

SCS sea features belong to China. Others can make innocent passage across trade lines but they need to keep out of territorial waters of the sea features (12NM).

problem is, Chinese probably think differently about that at the moment.

China definitely thinks differently. At the moment, and forever -- until the few nay-sayers change their mind.
 
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For China, it is a good, practical exercise. Besides, some foreign communications and war strategies could be acquired. From pragmatic perspective, being there is better than not being there.

of course.

SCS sea features belong to China. Others can make innocent passage across trade lines but they need to keep out of territorial waters of the sea features (12NM).

that is indeed the status of the legalities.

if it proves China sticks to these legalities in their government's and military's statements, and their actions, and does not place new islands in the South China Sea on the path of shipping lanes,
then i believe we can accept this new status-quo and perhaps in the future even accept China back into exercises like RimPac.

China definitely thinks differently. At the moment, and forever -- until the few nay-sayers change their mind.

stubbornness is dangerous in international politics. did you know? do you want me to explain that?
 
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Does the Chinese vessel have freedom of navigation or is it only for the US vessels?
 
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Does the Chinese vessel have freedom of navigation or is it only for the US vessels?

Lol I’m sure the Russians are parked not far from them doing the same old thing they have done for probably the last 50+ years with no complaints from us.

Like this in previous years. Seems this year they are late or have subcontracted it out to the Chinese
http://freebeacon.com/national-secu...ed-off-hawaiian-coast-during-military-drills/
Russian Spy Ship Spotted off Hawaiian Coast During Military Drills
 
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that is indeed the status of the legalities.

if it proves China sticks to these legalities in their government's and military's statements, and their actions, and does not place new islands in the South China Sea on the path of shipping lanes,
then i believe we can accept this new status-quo and perhaps in the future even accept China back into exercises like RimPac.

Innocent passage outside 12NM territorial waters has not been objected by China, I guess.

China does not claim SCS waters in entirety, but the physical features and their entitled waters. With these claimed, there is still a sizable portion of the Sea that is available for international trade and other passages.

stubbornness is dangerous in international politics. did you know? do you want me to explain that?

That's why US and its (a limited number of allies) needs to give up stubbornly China's SCS activities. For,

1. It does not work
2. It contradicts their own actions, thereby weakening international law
 
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Lol I’m sure the Russians are parked not far from them doing the same old thing they have done for probably the last 50+ years with no complaints from us.

Like this in previous years. Seems this year they are late or have subcontracted it out to the Chinese
http://freebeacon.com/national-secu...ed-off-hawaiian-coast-during-military-drills/
Russian Spy Ship Spotted off Hawaiian Coast During Military Drills

I asked if the Chinese vessels have freedom of navigation or not.
 
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Exactly! I'm glad you agree the Chinese shouldn't be complaining about the South China Sea since we don't complain about them.

You didn't complain but one of your partners in the exercise did. He simply expressed your concerns.
 
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I wonder how US would react if a Chinese ship sail 12 nautical miles within Hawaii.
@Peter C

China should do it. I don't understand why China hasn't done it yet. Sometimes the implications of not doing something is disastrous. Instead of confronting the US navy at SCS this is what China should do. If the US does anything stupid China can take revenge around Taiwan because there China has the upper hand.


???? China has been part of RIMPAC before. What would be so special about this year which wasn't a concern in previous years????

https://thediplomat.com/2016/06/wit...l-china-expands-rimpac-2016-naval-delegation/
With 5 Ships and 1,200 Personnel, China Expands RIMPAC 2016 Naval Delegation

In previous years China was thought to be under control.
 
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