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Who loses out in the US-China trade war?

By Daniel Thomas
Business reporter, BBC News
14 May 2019

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48256535

The US-China trade war has escalated in recent days, with both countries announcing new tariffs on each other's goods.

US President Donald Trump has said repeatedly that China will pay these taxes, even though his economic advisor, Larry Kudlow, on Sunday admitted that US firms pay the tariffs on any goods brought in from China.

So is Mr Trump wrong when he says the trade war is good for the US, and generating billions of dollars for the US Treasury?

And who will lose most as the conflict escalates?

Who really pays the US tariffs?

US importers, not Chinese firms, pay the tariffs in the form of taxes to the US government, confirms Christophe Bondy, a lawyer at Cooley LLP.

Mr Bondy, who was senior counsel to the Canadian government during the Canada-EU free trade agreement negotiations, says it is likely that these additional costs are then simply passed on to US consumers in the form of higher prices.

"They [the tariffs] have a strongly disruptive effect on supply chains," he said.

What has the impact been on China?

China remains America's top trading partner, with exports rising 7% last year. However, trade flows to the US slipped 9% in the first quarter of 2019, suggesting the trade war is starting to bite.

Despite this, Dr Meredith Crowley, a trade expert at the University of Cambridge, says there is no evidence that Chinese firms have cut their prices in a bid to keep US firms buying.

"Some exporters of highly substitutable goods have just dropped out of the market as US firms have started importing from elsewhere. Their margins are too thin and tariffs are clearly hurting them.

"I suspect those selling highly differentiated goods have not reduced their prices, possibly because US importers rely on them too much."

What has the impact on the US been?

According to two academic studies published in March, American businesses and consumers paid almost the entire cost of US trade tariffs imposed on imports from China and elsewhere last year.

Economists from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Princeton University and Columbia University calculated that duties imposed on a wide range of imports, from steel to washing machines, cost US firms and consumers $3bn (£2.3bn) a month in additional tax costs.

It also identified a further $1.4bn in losses linked to depressed demand.

The second paper, penned by among others, Pinelopi Goldberg, the World Bank's chief economist, also found that consumers and US companies were paying most of the costs of the tariffs.

According to its analysis, after taking into account the retaliation by other countries, the biggest victims of Trump's trade wars were farmers and blue-collar workers in areas that supported Trump in the 2016 election.

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Just like when Trump claimed that "Mexico will pay for the wall", it turns out the US taxpayers were forced to pay for the wall. So who is surprised that the same thing is happening again?

"According to two academic studies published in March, American businesses and consumers paid almost the entire cost of US trade tariffs imposed on imports from China and elsewhere last year."
 
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The problem is those supplier change cannot be easily replace in short time. US knows that and they still play it. Actually, Trump is still the perfect candidate for US presidency. Becos he helps ruin US in such short time and help China to rise even quicker.

No wonder both Trump and Xi mention both of their r/s are very good and they both admire each other a lot. Trump just looks like a Trojan horse planted by China inside America on "How to lose your allies and world influence quickly!"
 
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Trump just looks like a Trojan horse planted by China inside America on "How to lose your allies and world influence quickly!"

I wouldn't be surprised at all if that was true, there is no one in the world who can hurt America as much as Trump is doing right now. To the point where the entire world was openly laughing at the USA in the United Nations general assembly, the first time it has happened to any country in history. :lol:

The problem is those supplier change cannot be easily replace in short time. US knows that and they still play it.

That is true, but the deeper problem is that their Current Account Deficit has little to nothing to do with trade policy. It's all about the balance between domestic savings and domestic investment.

The problem is that politicians love short-term benefits, so their default policy is to "spend spend spend". Which reduces savings, which further worsens their Current Account Deficit, Fiscal Deficit and National Debt, which are already the highest in the world by miles.

There is a point where they simply have to tighten their belts and stop spending. But they can't, just like they can't stop eating.

And all of this is happening because the Current Account Surplus countries of the world (China/Germany/Japan/etc.) keep lending more and more money to the USA, all based on the foundation of the US dollar being the world's main reserve currency.

But what happens when the US dollar is no longer the world's main reserve currency? Now that will truly be a disaster for the entire global economy, as the US finally comes to terms with the fact that they cannot pay off their debt by borrowing more.

No one wants to see that happen... but can you tell the fattest man in the world to stop eating/spending? If only it was so easy, they would have done it already. But they can't stop, it's an irresistible compulsion. And China is going to get hit hard, even if we manage to diversify away from the US market almost completely like Huawei did, the resulting global economic collapse will be unavoidable. Everyone will be hit, and it will be a very big hit.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if that was true, there is no one in the world who can hurt America as much as Trump is doing right now. To the point where the entire world was openly laughing at the USA in the United Nations general assembly, the first time it has happened to any country in history. :lol:



That is true, but the deeper problem is that their Current Account Deficit has little to nothing to do with trade policy. It's all about the balance between domestic savings and domestic investment.

The problem is that politicians love short-term benefits, so their default policy is to "spend spend spend". Which reduces savings, which further worsens their Current Account Deficit, Fiscal Deficit and National Debt, which are already the highest in the world by miles.

There is a point where they simply have to tighten their belts and stop spending. But they can't, just like they can't stop eating.

And all of this is happening because the Current Account Surplus countries of the world (China/Germany/Japan/etc.) keep lending more and more money to the USA, all based on the foundation of the US dollar being the world's main reserve currency. But what happens on the day that the US dollar is no longer the world's main reserve currency? Now that will truly be a disaster for the entire global economy as the US finally comes to terms with the fact that they cannot pay off their debt by borrowing more.

Trump will win on face but loses the whole America for China. I pity the subsequent US president who will pick up his mess he created. Xi and Trump are great friends, no doubt.

President Xi will ensure Trump gain few more USD billions after he retired as US president for his business empire. Its part of the deal with China.
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Trump will win on face but loses the whole America for China. I pity the subsequent US president who will pick up his mess he created. Xi and Trump are great friends, no doubt.

President Xi will ensure Trump gain few more USD billions after he retired as US president for his business empire. Its part of the deal with China.
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China should use this as an opportunity though, to diversify away from the US market wherever possible. Huawei has zero presence in the US market but is still growing faster globally than all other smartphone brands combined (+50% for the quarter).

Trump is only worsening America's spending/debt habits. As if tomorrow does not exist. How much can we realistically insulate ourselves from this, not much I fear. They just won't stop spending and eating.
 
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Even if trade wars hurt more Chinese people, the Chinese people would not allow the government to sign contract that would humiliate the country and stifle our future.

And it's not necessarily the Chinese who lost the war.
 
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You can't catch main point. Maybe you only have the knowledge to say that.

Don't comment on something off the topic here.:crazy:

Ahh, now attacking western media on an article dealing with China is off topic,huh.My friend, then half the China threads have been off topicked for years.
 
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Ahh, now attacking western media on an article dealing with China is off topic,huh.My friend, then half the China threads have been off topicked for years.

The interests of Britain and the United States are divergent in recent years, especially in areas related to trade wars. This makes their articles about China slightly credible. Besides, many countries including Britain/European countries have been affected by the US trade war. They would certainly be more willing to emphasize the negative effects of trade wars to the United States.

You're really an i****, get out of here.
 
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Suddenly western media jas credibility again. Funny how that works!!

Who said anything about credibility? If they are anti-China doesn't that make it even more of a bonus if they support China's side?

Secondly, the West is not the same as the USA. Both Britain and Europe strongly condemned US sanctions on Iran (you can substitute this for the Paris Climate Agreement or anything else), and they both ignored US orders to ban Huawei. They were also the ones laughing the hardest at America in the UN.

The bottom line is, who is paying the tariffs if not the US businesses and consumers? It's a simple fact, the tariffs are paid for directly by US businesses, which they can either absorb internally (many cannot afford to do that) or pass it on to US consumers.

Chinese exporters can decide to reduce prices to maintain demand from US sources, but as the article said there is no evidence that any have done so (the depreciation of the Yuan keeps the prices competitive even after tariffs). The studies from the USA show that almost all of the tariff burden has fallen on US companies and consumers.
 
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The interests of Britain and the United States are divergent in recent years, especially in areas related to trade wars. This makes their articles about China slightly credible. Besides, many countries including Britain/European countries have been affected by the US trade war. They would certainly be more willing to emphasize the negative effects of trade wars to the United States.

You're really an i****, get out of here.

Numbnut, my ironic point was exactly this. I was arguing with a similar numbskull in another thread who categorized anything anti china as western bias... And suddenly the now everyone see nuance now. Ironic.
Now stop quoting me dum dum.
 
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There is conflict of Ideology between the Western Countries and China.

Only a fool would believe that everything reported in the Western media was true.

If Western media can shake China's fundamentals by rumors, why not? Although there is a split within the West now, some countries will no longer attack China by rumors as they did before.
But countries with conflicts of interest with China, especially the United States, will still try to spread rumors. It's like Huawei doesn't have a spy back door at all, but the United States insists it does.:lol:

Some Indians in this forum have the same political knowledge as children in kindergartens. No wonder you are fooled by Westerners as idiots. Politics Democrat & Economy protectionist. Your society has almost all its shortcomings.
 
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There is conflict of Ideology between the Western Countries and China.

Only a fool would believe that everything reported in the Western media was true.

If Western media can shake China's fundamentals by rumors, why not? Although there is a split within the West now, some countries will no longer attack China by rumors as they did before.
But countries with conflicts of interest with China, especially the United States, will still try to spread rumors. It's like Huawei doesn't have a spy back door at all, but the United States insists it does.:lol:

Some Indians in this forum have the same political knowledge as children in kindergartens. No wonder you are fooled by Westerners as idiots. Your society is just an example of being deceived by Westerners/American.
Deep words, real wisdom right here folks.
 
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Numbnut, my ironic point was exactly this. I was arguing with a similar numbskull in another thread who categorized anything anti china as western bias... And suddenly the now everyone see nuance now. Ironic.
Now stop quoting me dum dum.

The point is, if EVEN a retarded Western shill has to admit China is winning... it's PRETTY OBVIOUS that China's winning!

It'd be like Toilet being forced to admit Pakistan has gotten one over India.
 
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