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MIRAN SHAH, Pakistan (AP) — Fighting between Islamic militants and security forces near the Afghan border has killed as many as 250 people over four days — the deadliest clashes in Pakistan since it threw its support behind the U.S.-led war on terrorism in 2001, the army said Tuesday.

Airstrikes hit a village bazaar in North Waziristan tribal region on Tuesday afternoon, killing more than 50 militants and civilians and wounding scores more, said resident Noor Hassan. "The bombing destroyed many shops and homes," Hassan said by telephone from the village of Epi. "We are leaving."

Twelve huge explosions rocked the village and bombs also hit the nearby village of Hader Khel, Hassan said.

Army spokesman Maj. Gen. Waheed Arshad said military aircraft struck "one or two places" near the town of Mir Ali — about 2 1/2 miles from Epi — and there were unconfirmed reports that about 50 militants were killed. He acknowledged that civilians may have been killed, but had no exact numbers.

"We had confirmed reports about the presence of militants, and the air power was used to target those militant hideouts," he told The Associated Press.

Also Tuesday, a roadside bomb killed two soldiers, the army said.

The fighting began Saturday after a roadside bomb hit a truckload of paramilitary troops, sparking bitter clashes. The bodies of dozens of soldiers, many with their throats slit, have been recovered from deserted areas of the region, fleeing residents said.

The violence comes as Gen. Pervez Musharraf tries to secure another term as president, vowing to shore up Pakistan's troubled effort against Islamic extremism.

The army appeared to be resorting to heavy firepower. Pakistani troops have suffered mounting losses as they try to reassert state authority in a swath of mountainous territory where warlords supportive of the Taliban and al-Qaida have seized control.

Before Tuesday's airstrikes, the army had reported that battles have killed 150 fighters and 45 soldiers since Saturday. About 12-15 troops are missing. Another 50 militants and 20 soldiers had been wounded.

Security forces have rejected a cease-fire proposed by the militants and will "continue punitive action till complete peace is restored" in the area, an army statement said.

Pakistan struck a cease-fire deal with militants in North Waziristan last year. U.S. officials criticized the pact, claiming it gave a safe haven for al-Qaida and provided a rear base for Taliban guerrillas fighting NATO troops in Afghanistan.

In July, Pakistan's army redeployed troops at key checkpoints in the region, sparking fresh hostilities.

After Saturday's bombing, about 300 militants ambushed an army convoy traveling to the scene, killing 22 troops and wounding 11. Others were captured alive and could be still held by militants, an intelligence official said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to journalists.

One resident of Isu Khel village said three soldiers came to his home asking for protection but he refused, fearing militants might target him. The three soldiers later escaped in a military truck, said the villager, speaking after fleeing to the region's main town, Miran Shah.

Other residents of Isu Khel and nearby Melagan village said they spotted soldiers' bodies abandoned in deserted areas and a roadside, many with their throats slit.

A woman, who fled to Miran Shah, said the bodies of eight soldiers shot dead were covered in dust and one was badly mutilated.

The villagers who spoke to The Associated Press requested their names not be printed, fearing reprisals.

Security forces have suffered more than 250 casualties in the past three months, many of them in suicide bombings. The government is also trying to secure the release of more than 200 soldiers seized in the South Waziristan region at the end of August.
The Associated Press: Battles, Airstrikes in Pakistan Kill 250
 
I am glad the PA is killing those taliban fanatics in the tribal areas. But won't air strikes cause a lot of collateral damage?
 
These villagers should be given protection and PA should try to move out as many civilians as it can and then bomb these bastards to hell using PAF.
 
These villagers should be given protection and PA should try to move out as many civilians as it can and then bomb these bastards to hell using PAF.
The Village has the population of about 10,000 & 9,000 of them already moved by PA to near villages. The remaining 1000 are not agreeing to leave the village.


Regards
Wilco
 
I am glad the PA is killing those taliban fanatics in the tribal areas. But won't air strikes cause a lot of collateral damage?
thats y the use of PAF is on very rare basis, as soon as the evacuation is complete may be they will go on using full force.

Regards
Wilco
 
Its total war now.
There is a lot of collateral damage though...its says that several houses and shops were destroyed. Destroying their houses will certainly not win any favour with them.

This seems to be a total rebellion against the authorities.
 
This seems to be a total rebellion against the authorities.

Rebellion for you people to say, for us its not rebellion since you did not read the article properly which stated that people are afraid of the militants to give support to army personal they fear they might get killed, if thats a rebellion why should they be afraid of getting killed by the militants and why would they migrate to safe shelters provided by the FC.
These militants do not enjoy the support of the masses, just a limited people, militants like them, call them mukami talibans. Other then that they enjoy nothing nor the will of the elders. Bombing them is the right thing to do. Co-lateral damage is a part of every military operation but we need to make sure that is happens to a very limited scale and those who do get affected, the government should compensate them in everyway they can.
 
Rebellion for you people to say, for us its not rebellion since you did not read the article properly which stated that people are afraid of the militants to give support to army personal they fear they might get killed, if thats a rebellion why should they be afraid of getting killed by the militants and why would they migrate to safe shelters provided by the FC.
These militants do not enjoy the support of the masses, just a limited people, militants like them, call them mukami talibans. Other then that they enjoy nothing nor the will of the elders. Bombing them is the right thing to do. Co-lateral damage is a part of every military operation but we need to make sure that is happens to a very limited scale and those who do get affected, the government should compensate them in everyway they can.

Yes I agree. Extremists usually don't have the support of the majority of the locals, who just wish to live a peaceful life.

Actually I read on wikipedia that the Wazir tribes had allied with the militants, hence my statements that they have the support of the locals and are rebelling. Also their sheer numbers indicate either popular support or foreign invasion.
However, it appears to be a mix of locals and Afghan infiltrators for the most part. Am I correct?
 
Yes I agree. Extremists usually don't have the support of the majority of the locals, who just wish to live a peaceful life.

Actually I read on wikipedia that the Wazir tribes had allied with the militants, hence my statements that they have the support of the locals and are rebelling. Also their sheer numbers indicate either popular support or foreign invasion.
However, it appears to be a mix of locals and Afghan infiltrators for the most part. Am I correct?

Your source wikipedia just expalins the whole thing up. I have nothing more to say here.
 
The Following is an old news article from 2006. It says that Pakistan army had in effect surrendered to the Taliban and a region in Waziristan the size of New Jersey was totally free of Pakistani influence.
There is also mention of the "Islamic Emirate of Waziristan" in the truce accord.

I believe that these areas have always been outside Pakistani law since independence.
Kindly tell me if this is off topic and i will move this to a new thread.

Anyways, quite and interesting piece of reporting. Have a look:

The Long War Journal: Talibanistan: The Establishment of the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan


Written by Bill Roggio on September 5, 2006 11:24 PM to The Long War Journal

Available online at: Talibanistan: The Establishment of the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan - The Long War Journal


Pakistan's "truce with the Taliban is an abject surrender, and al Qaeda has an untouchable base of operations in Western Pakistan which will only expand if not checked

The news of the Pakistani government signing a truce agreement with the Taliban in North Waziristan is far worse than being reported. We raised the alarm early morning on September 4, and newly uncovered information on the terms of the agreement indicate Pakistan has been roundly defeated by the Taliban in North Waziristan. The “truce” is in fact a surrender. According to an anonymous intelligence source, the terms of the truce includes:

- The Pakistani Army is abandoning its garrisons in North and South Waziristan.
- The Pakistani Military will not operate in North Waziristan, nor will it monitor actions the region.
- Pakistan will turn over weapons and other equipment seized during Pakistani Army operations.
- The Taliban and al Qaeda have set up a Mujahideen Shura (or council) to administer the agency.
- The truce refers to the region as “The Islamic Emirate of Waziristan.”
- An unknown quantity of money was transferred from Pakistani government coffers to the Taliban. The Pakistani government has essentially paid a tribute or ransom to end the fighting.
- “Foreigners” (a euphemism for al Qaeda and other foreign jihadis) are allowed to remain in the region.
- Over 130 mid-level al Qaeda commanders and foot soldiers were released from Pakistani custody.
- The Taliban is required to refrain from violence in Pakistan only; the agreement does not stipulate refraining from violence in Afghanistan.

Al Rayah - the flag of al Qaeda. Click image to view.


The truce meeting was essentially an event designed to humiliate the Pakistani government and military. Government negotiators were searched for weapons by Taliban fighters prior to entering the meeting. Heavily armed Taliban were posted as guards around the ceremony. The al Rayah – al Qaeda's black flag – was hung over the scoreboard at the soccer stadium where the ceremony was held. After the Pakistani delegation left, al Qaeda's black flag was run up the flagpole of military checkpoints and the Taliban began looting the leftover small arms. The Taliban also held a 'parade' in the streets of Miranshah. They openly view the 'truce' as a victory, and the facts support this view.


Tahir Yuldashev


While this is not reported in the media, the “Taliban commanders” in attendance include none other than Jalaluddin Haqqani, military commander of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Tahir Yuldashev, the commander of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan. The New York Times does place Haqqani and Yuldashev in the Waziristan region. Both men are deeply in bed with al Qaeda, and it is useless at this point in time to make distinctions between al Qaeda, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan , the Taliban and Pakistan jihadi groups like Lashkar-Toiba. Syed Saleem Shahzad indicates other known Taliban commanders were present at the meeting; "At the gathering, mujahideen leader Maulana Sadiq Noor and a representative of Gul Badar (chief of the Pakistani Taliban in North Waziristan), as well as other members of the mujahideen shura (council), were seated on a stage while the leaders of the JUI-F [the political party of Pakistani opposition leader Maulana Fazlur Rehman and only party in North and South Waziristan, which was not always the case] delivered the speeches." Note that while unstated, Haqqani and Yuldashev also sit on the Mujahideen Shura.

To add insult to the defeat of the Waziristan truce, Pakistan has openly admitted that it would let Osama bin Laden remain a free man if committed to living a peaceful existance in the region. “If he is in Pakistan, bin Laden 'would not be taken into custody,' Major General Shaukat Sultan Khan told ABC News in a telephone interview, 'as long as one is being like a peaceful citizen,” reports ABC News' The Blotter. An independent intelligence source confirms Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan Khan's position is an accurate reflection of Pakistani policy. [Note: Pakistan has since retracted its statements on bin Laden and immunity, but the Blotter transcript oftheinterview refutes this.]

The Pakistani government has ceded a region the size of New Jersey, with a population of about 800,000 to the Taliban and al Qaeda. The establishment of the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is not the end of the Taliban's expansion, however. An intelligence source indicates similar negotiations between the Taliban and the Pakistani government are being held in the agencies of Khyber, Tank, Dera Ishmal Khan and Bajaur. The jihadi dreams of al Qaeda's safe havens in western Pakistan have become a reality. And the gains made by the Coalition in Afghanistan have now officially been wiped away with the peace agreement in the newly established Islamic Emirate of Waziristan.
 
Rebellion for you people to say, for us its not rebellion since you did not read the article properly which stated that people are afraid of the militants to give support to army personal they fear they might get killed, if thats a rebellion why should they be afraid of getting killed by the militants and why would they migrate to safe shelters provided by the FC.
These militants do not enjoy the support of the masses, just a limited people, militants like them, call them mukami talibans. Other then that they enjoy nothing nor the will of the elders. Bombing them is the right thing to do. Co-lateral damage is a part of every military operation but we need to make sure that is happens to a very limited scale and those who do get affected, the government should compensate them in everyway they can.

Wherever terrorists operate, the locals are silenced by fear.

While the govt forces have to operate as per rules and are accountable, the terrorist don't.believe in any law and they are accountable to none.

Hence, the terrorists are feared.

This also gives rise to the feeling that locals are supporting the terrorists. Actually, the locals are with whoever is more powerful at that moment of time, so that they are not harrassed!

This is axiomatic wherever terrorism hsa been fought or is being fought.
 
Am sick and tired of these stone aged muslims who are following the foot steps of devil. They use lethal means to scare the **** out of local people. Maintaining justice for law and order is allright but they are crossing the limits.

Talking from islamic perspective there is always a window of ijtihad or consensus for various politial and social issues. But these wizards disregard this major fundemental phenomena of islam, so hwo can you call them followers of islam or even people fighting for legitimate cause.

Its just like your trying to make someone understand something but he is nodding everytime kaz he thinks he is always right.

Islam has always seen such people, take exmple f khwarij in time HAZRAT ALI(RA) same as waziristan people
 
US is seems completely succeded in starting a civil war in Pakistan with full compliance from the puppets who started all the drama with Lal Masjid conspiracy. Now Pakistan's welfare is in replacing the current leadership to make Pakistan a welfare and peaceful Islamic state free from Islam allergic secularists.
 
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