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Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. on Thursday sought to play down what it called speculation and comments in recent days about a purported battle of wits between itself and its prime customer — Indian Air Force — over a basic trainer aircraft meant for rookie pilots.

The issue of a basic trainer has been smoking for several months and now seems to almost blow up into an HAL vs. IAF controversy after the latter opted to import its trainer planes. Reportedly, the IAF has also chosen to buy a second lot, jeopardising HAL’s own project to make an indigenous trainer. This information, however, could not be immediately confirmed.

“The matter [of buying additional trainer planes for the IAF] is before competent authorities. HAL continues to wholeheartedly support the progress of the IAF and highly values its relationship with the IAF,” HAL’s media statement said.

The new basic trainer is at the heart of HAL’s discontent ever since the IAF grounded the 30-year-old — but still flying — trainer HPT32 Deepak in 2009. The defence public sector reportedly offered to make a new one indigenously and has even completed the design work on a two-seater HTT-40 (Hindustan Turbo Trainer). The IAF Chief has openly snubbed the project and declined to buy it on the grounds of its higher cost over import and HAL’s traditionally late supplies.

Against its requirement of 181 trainer aircraft, the IAF last year purchased 75 PC-7 MkII trainers from Swiss company Pilatus for $5.6 billion. While HAL still hopes to be in the trainer picture by making at least some of the requirement, recent reports in the media said the Air Chief had opted to buy a second lot of 37 from Pilatus.

The IAF has also reportedly recommended closing the HAL project. When asked about this, the Ministry spokesman did not react.
Basic trainer: HAL says no tiff with IAF | idrw.org
 
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Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. on Thursday sought to play down what it called speculation and comments in recent days about a purported battle of wits between itself and its prime customer — Indian Air Force — over a basic trainer aircraft meant for rookie pilots.

The issue of a basic trainer has been smoking for several months and now seems to almost blow up into an HAL vs. IAF controversy after the latter opted to import its trainer planes. Reportedly, the IAF has also chosen to buy a second lot, jeopardising HAL’s own project to make an indigenous trainer. This information, however, could not be immediately confirmed.

“The matter [of buying additional trainer planes for the IAF] is before competent authorities. HAL continues to wholeheartedly support the progress of the IAF and highly values its relationship with the IAF,” HAL’s media statement said.

The new basic trainer is at the heart of HAL’s discontent ever since the IAF grounded the 30-year-old — but still flying — trainer HPT32 Deepak in 2009. The defence public sector reportedly offered to make a new one indigenously and has even completed the design work on a two-seater HTT-40 (Hindustan Turbo Trainer). The IAF Chief has openly snubbed the project and declined to buy it on the grounds of its higher cost over import and HAL’s traditionally late supplies.

Against its requirement of 181 trainer aircraft, the IAF last year purchased 75 PC-7 MkII trainers from Swiss company Pilatus for $5.6 billion. While HAL still hopes to be in the trainer picture by making at least some of the requirement, recent reports in the media said the Air Chief had opted to buy a second lot of 37 from Pilatus.

The IAF has also reportedly recommended closing the HAL project. When asked about this, the Ministry spokesman did not react.
Basic trainer: HAL says no tiff with IAF | idrw.org

If I am not being so much Biased then IAF will going to buy another 125+ PC-7 MkII trainers from Swiss company Pilatus which it loves and provide better training and additional support roles which is proven too, unlike HAL aircraft that is still not proven.

More over IAF should look to buy some AJTs other than Hawks like Yak-130s...
 
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If I am not being so much Biased then IAF will going to buy another 125+ PC-7 MkII trainers from Swiss company Pilatus which it loves and provide better training and additional support roles which is proven too, unlike HAL aircraft that is still not proven.

More over IAF should look to buy some AJTs other than Hawks like Yak-130s...

It will get proven only if given a chance. Would you be advising the same to your armed forces if your country were in a similar situation.
 
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It will get proven only if given a chance. Would you be advising the same to your armed forces if your country were in a similar situation.

Actually Pakistan made equipment are of good quality even when compared with Chinese too. Also there is always demand of our weapons, just there is a serious shortage of money and due to that reason we aren't doing on our own or doing JV. But I am sure INSHA ALLAH very soon we will be again doing JVs not with only Chinese But Germany, Italy, France and Ex-Soviet along with Russia on many different kind of projects too.
 
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Actually Pakistan made equipment are of good quality even when compared with Chinese too. Also there is always demand of our weapons, just there is a serious shortage of money and due to that reason we aren't doing on our own or doing JV. But I am sure INSHA ALLAH very soon we will be again doing JVs not with only Chinese But Germany, Italy, France and Ex-Soviet along with Russia on many different kind of projects too.

for that you need quality not a 1980s product man. Join russia in that line. :)
 
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I am not only talking about Military but general things like Research in Medical and Medicine as well.

That is possible but only a stable and prosperous Pakistan can help out others in the region. After reading about some taliban strongholds in Karachi situation looks comprosing :confused:. Till then onus falls on China and India here.
 
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Hmmm.... Seems like that :pakistan: as we are better than most of the developing countries.

True or not, but I admire your spirit. :tup:

Most of your fellow forummers take it for granted that Pakistan is inferior to china in everything, without questioning !.

A strong Pakistan is one which stands on its own feet.

And off course, a strong Pakistan is good for India ... it's another matter, china does not like that.
 
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Actually Pakistan made equipment are of good quality even when compared with Chinese too. Also there is always demand of our weapons, just there is a serious shortage of money and due to that reason we aren't doing on our own or doing JV. But I am sure INSHA ALLAH very soon we will be again doing JVs not with only Chinese But Germany, Italy, France and Ex-Soviet along with Russia on many different kind of projects too.

Well you guys have no choice but to rely on your friends, you country is never gonna make it.. Quality?? which Product??
 
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