Bangladesh Military Thread

[ProsperBD]

Pakistan army never surrenderd to bangladeshi mukti bahini. They surrended to Indian army. I am not sure how you got these misconception.
Do you see any mukti vahini in the surrender picture? You have the picture of surrender right?

Yes it is possible, they did not surrender to India, they surrendered to Bangladesh with the help from India.

 

[ProsperBD]

I dont want you to show gratitude to India. Of course you should be more grateful towards your freedom fighters.
However I just want you to know the truth. Read how war is fought, how an army holds on.
If freedom fighters could win freedom, kashmir would have been free, so would be iraq(when US forces were there).
Just see what is happening in Libya, and try to understand. An untrained militia can get success initially, but is no match against a trained army. They need outside support which is vital.
Even areal bombing support will not help the militia, they need help from nato army, boots on ground.

Kashmir is weak compared to Pakistan, and Libya is not gaining independence where did you get this from

 

[desioptimist]

Kashmir is weak compared to Pakistan, and Libya is not gaining independence where did you get this from

brother, I am just using the example to prove the point.
The point is, it is very difficult for a civilian militia to fight against an army.
It is difficult for libyan militia to fight against libyan army, hence libya is not gaining independence anytime soon.
It is difficult for fighters in kashmir to fight against Indian army.
It was very difficult for resistance fighter in iraq to fight against US army.
Hence

It would be very difficult for mukti vahini to fight against pakistan army, remember they were part of british Indian army once.

 

[desioptimist]

Yes it is possible, they did not surrender to India, they surrendered to Bangladesh with the help from India.

Army does not surrender to countries, army surrenders to another army.
When pakistan army surrenderd, bangladesh did not exist.
Read this, you will know exact conditions of surrender.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_of_Surrender_(1971)

 

[ProsperBD]

brother, I am just using the example to prove the point.
The point is, it is very difficult for a civilian militia to fight against an army.
It is difficult for libyan militia to fight against libyan army, hence libya is not gaining independence anytime soon.
It is difficult for fighters in kashmir to fight against Indian army.
It was very difficult for resistance fighter in iraq to fight against US army.
Hence

It would be very difficult for mukti vahini to fight against pakistan army, remember they were part of british Indian army once.

Desioptimist, I cannot say it in this forum otherwise some members may take offence may we end this discussion, thanks.

 

[ProsperBD]

Army does not surrender to countries, army surrenders to another army.
When pakistan army surrenderd, bangladesh did not exist.
Read this, you will know exact conditions of surrender.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_of_Surrender_(1971)

Desioptimist, some members may take 'offence'

 

[ProsperBD]

Pakistani Army Comander in the Eastern Command, Lt. General A. A. K. Niazi, signing the Instrument of Surrender in front of General of Officer Commanding in Chief of India and Bangladesh Forces in the Eastern Theatre, Lt. General Jagjit Singh Aurora. 16th December, 1971
INSTRUMENT OF SURRENDER

The PAKISTAN Eastern Command agree to surender all PAKISTAN
Armed Forces in BANGLA DESH to Lieutenant-General JAGJIT SINGH AURORA,
General Officer Commanding in Chief of the Indian and Bangladesh forces
in the Eastern Theatre. This surrender includes all PAKISTAN land, air
and naval forces as also all para-military forces and civil armed forces.
These forces will lay down their arms and surrender at the places where
they are currently located to the nearest regular troops under the
command of Lieutenant-General JAGJIT SINGH AURORA.

The PAKISTAN Eastern Command shall come under the orders of
Lieutenant-General JAGJIT SINGH AURORA as soon as the instrument has
been signed. Disobedience of orders will be regarded as a breach of
the surrender terms and will be dealt with in accordance with the
accepted laws and usages of war. The decision of Lieutenant-General
JAGJIT SINGH AURORA will be final, should any doubt arise as to the
meaning of interpretation of the surender terms.

Lieutenant JAGJIT SINGH AURORA goves a solemn assurance
that personnel who surrender shall be treated with dignity and respect
that soldiers are entitled to in accordance with provisions of the
GENEVA Convention and guarantees the safety and well-being of all
PAKISTAN military and para-military forces who surrender. Protection
will be provided to foreign nationals, ethnic minorities and personnel
of WEST PAKISTANI origin by the forces under the command of Lieutenant-
General JAGJIT SINGH AURORA.



<signed > <signed>

(JAGJIT SINGH AURORA) (AMIR ABDULLAH KHAN NIAZI)
Lieutenant-General Leiutenant-General
General Officer Commanding in Chief Martial Law Administrator Zone B and

Virtual Bangladesh : History : The Instrument of Surrender
India and Bangladesh Forces in the Commander Eastern Command
Eastern Theatre (Pakistan)
16 December 1971 16 December 1971

16 December 1971 16 December 1971

 

[ProsperBD]

Desi I'm off to sleep now

 

[desioptimist]

Pakistani Army Comander in the Eastern Command, Lt. General A. A. K. Niazi, signing the Instrument of Surrender in front of General of Officer Commanding in Chief of India and Bangladesh Forces in the Eastern Theatre, Lt. General Jagjit Singh Aurora. 16th December, 1971
INSTRUMENT OF SURRENDER

The PAKISTAN Eastern Command agree to surender all PAKISTAN
Armed Forces in BANGLA DESH to Lieutenant-General JAGJIT SINGH AURORA,
General Officer Commanding in Chief of the Indian and Bangladesh forces
in the Eastern Theatre. This surrender includes all PAKISTAN land, air
and naval forces as also all para-military forces and civil armed forces.
These forces will lay down their arms and surrender at the places where
they are currently located to the nearest regular troops under the
command of Lieutenant-General JAGJIT SINGH AURORA.

The PAKISTAN Eastern Command shall come under the orders of
Lieutenant-General JAGJIT SINGH AURORA as soon as the instrument has
been signed. Disobedience of orders will be regarded as a breach of
the surrender terms and will be dealt with in accordance with the
accepted laws and usages of war. The decision of Lieutenant-General
JAGJIT SINGH AURORA will be final, should any doubt arise as to the
meaning of interpretation of the surender terms.

Lieutenant JAGJIT SINGH AURORA goves a solemn assurance
that personnel who surrender shall be treated with dignity and respect
that soldiers are entitled to in accordance with provisions of the
GENEVA Convention and guarantees the safety and well-being of all
PAKISTAN military and para-military forces who surrender. Protection
will be provided to foreign nationals, ethnic minorities and personnel
of WEST PAKISTANI origin by the forces under the command of Lieutenant-
General JAGJIT SINGH AURORA.



<signed > <signed>

(JAGJIT SINGH AURORA) (AMIR ABDULLAH KHAN NIAZI)
Lieutenant-General Leiutenant-General
General Officer Commanding in Chief Martial Law Administrator Zone B and

Virtual Bangladesh : History : The Instrument of Surrender
India and Bangladesh Forces in the Commander Eastern Command
Eastern Theatre (Pakistan)
16 December 1971 16 December 1971

16 December 1971 16 December 1971

It does mention Bangladesh. You are right.

 

[ebr77]

Interesting

 

[Zabaniyah]

BD military need some good dedicated attack helicopters. A bunch of Mi-17s with rocket pods is a pseudo gunship at best.

Bell AH-1Z "Viper".

"^^

 

[bd_4_ever]

BD military need some good dedicated attack helicopters. A bunch of Mi-17s with rocket pods is a pseudo gunship at best.

Bell AH-1Z "Viper".

"^^

Only issue is to know whether they will be offered to us...


Cheers!!!

 

[mil-avia]

Images : Fouga Magister aircrafts of BAF :

 

[mil-avia]

China Rearms Bangladesh On The Cheap

 

[eastwatch]

Is that what they teach in bangladesh?
It will be interesting to know what pakistanis think of this assertion, that their army was defeated in the hand of a militia (that too trained for 1 week as per you).
In the mean time, just read the histrory, internet is a good resource.

Yes, BD people should be taught this way because it is the truth. We, certainly received help from Indian army, took training in Indian soil. But, it was our own war and we won it with the help of Indian army. It is not the other way. It is our sacrifice that brought us an independent country.

---------- Post added at 07:48 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:45 AM ----------

Army does not surrender to countries, army surrenders to another army.
When pakistan army surrenderd, bangladesh did not exist.
Read this, you will know exact conditions of surrender.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_of_Surrender_(1971)

The country Bangladesh existed since at least from 26th March, 1971, if not from an earlier time.

---------- Post added at 07:50 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:48 AM ----------

Pakistan army never surrenderd to bangladeshi mukti bahini. They surrended to Indian army. I am not sure how you got these misconception.
Do you see any mukti vahini in the surrender picture? You have the picture of surrender right?

Pakistan Army surrendered to the Joint Command of Bangladesh and India. Do not distort history.