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We don't mind America invading rouge mulsim countries like Taliban ruled Afghanistan or Saddam ruled Iraq.What do you expected from America after 9/11 when Afghan Taliban refused to handover Bin Laden and Al Qaeda terrorist? Sucking thumb and do nothing? What China would have done in same situation? Sending garland to Taliban? Saddam was a ruthless dictator invaded Iran and Kuwait, massacred Kurdish civilian by tens of thousands, caused immense suffering to ordinary Iraqis, one time possessed chemical and biological weapons, there was no hope for Iraqi people to get rid of that 40 years old dictatorship, unless some other power usurp him.So what USA did, I can't blame.Most of the killing in Iraq happened due to deep sectarian feud there.Some individual American had done crime like Abu Gharib incidence, But American punished their own soldiers for that.Punishing it's own soldier for war crime is something which only enlightened democracies have demonstrated so far.

America has not invaded any normal, peaceful, democratic country till date.And I have confidence that they will not do that in future either.If they neutralize the threat of North Korea with minimal or no civilian casualty, then I will support American punishment for Kim Jong Un regime.I believe in collective responsibility to maintain world peace and humanitarian intervention which include stopping evil regime before it do much harm.And Western enlightened democracies are surely in a better position to do that intervention than other countries for now.

And why should not we support America? After every natural disaster, it is the America which sends their air craft carrier to clean up the mess in Bangladesh whereas the regional power like India, China etc protest. In the Rohingya crisis despite their strong support for Su Kyi and hate for Hasina they still supported Bangladesh due to human rights issue.
 
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What you are basically saying here is,For democracy You support one country to invade another to "implement democracy" and "democracised" them.
That is what i have got from your words,please correct me if i have got it wrong.
I do not have much objection to monarchy or other form undemocratic govt. if they are peaceful, development orientated and do not hinder progress.There are some undemocratic countries which are fairly good.Like Jordan or Morocco.No one has any problem with them.They are on a path to gradual democratic evolution.But do not tell me, Taliban or Saddam were good guys and American has done any wrong punishing them.
 
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I do not have much objection to monarchy or other form undemocratic govt. if they are peaceful, development orientated and do not hinder progress.There are some undemocratic countries which are fairly good.Like Jordan or Morocco.No one has any problem with them.They are on a path to gradual democratic evolution.But do not tell me, Taliban or Saddam were good guys and American has done any wrong punishing them.
I don't think you have got my point here.
My point here was,you are saying "American has done any wrong punishing them"
I am sorry again,who is this america? and who has given them right to punish anyone?
On a side note
,i am fairly sure this america you are talking about has nothing to do with that amurikkan who also goes by the name US,that dropped atom bomb in hiroshima,nagashaki.I am sure this very different america you are talking about as you are holding them high in scale of democracy.
 
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I don't think you have got my point here.
My point here was,you are saying "American has done any wrong punishing them"
I am sorry again,who is this america? and who has given them right to punish anyone?
On a side note
,i am fairly sure this america you are talking about has nothing to do with that amurikkan who also goes by the name US,that dropped atom bomb in hiroshima,nagashaki.I am sure this very different america you are talking about as you are holding them high in scale of democracy.

Tbh, I used to think like this before, but if you look at the anarchic nature of the world, we do need somebody to do that 'global policeman' job.

US has a record of massive human rights violations around the world, but they also held the chain of many despots. I think if US hadn't dropped the bomb, the Japanese Imperial Army would have run a havoc across Asia. US also saved the Bosnian, Kosovars and many other ethnic groups from the verge total extermination at the hands of their genocidal regimes.

Now take a look at the Rohingyas. They are at the same situation but the world is silent. This is one of the negative consequences of the decline of US, we have nobody to do that global policing.
 
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Tbh, I used to think like this before, but if you look at the anarchic nature of the world, we do need somebody to do that 'global policeman' job.

US has a record of massive human rights violations around the world, but they also held the chain of many despots. I think if US hadn't drop the bomb, the Japanese Imperial Army would have run a havoc across Asia. US also saved the Bostonian, Kosovars and many other ethnic groups from the verge total extermination at the hands of their genocidal regimes.

Now take a look at the Rohingyas. They are at the same situation but the world is silent. This is one of the negative consequences of the decline of US, we have nobody to do that global policing.
good thinking,that's why i think we also should get nukes.
We can save billions o people by killing millions of amerikkans.
BTW we have a new "global policeman" in the room,why the old one still doesn't want to retire?
Makes me wonder, was it really for good of others? or they just wanted to control others?
I have seen this game brah,more closely you can even imagine.
 
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good thinking,that's why i think we also should get nukes.
We can save billions o people by killing millions of amerikkans.
BTW we have a new "global policeman" in the room,why the old one still doesn't want to retire?
Makes me wonder, was it really for good of others? or they just wanted to control others?

The question is, is the new policeman good enough to do the job? Take the Rohingya crisis as an example.

Makes me wonder, was it really for good of others? or they just wanted to control others?

Everybody wants to control others. The key to survive is to ensure the required deterrence to prevent others from controlling you.

However, at the same time, we also need to value some moral norms. Otherwise, the world will not be conducive to live for human beings.
 
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The question is, is the new policeman good enough to do the job? Take the Rohingya crisis as an example.
Give them full free flow just like previous "policeman" enjoyed,when they were gifted the power of sun by someone else,had the opportunity to spend their resource freely because they were not facing competition and most importantly using the cover of Mutually Assured Destruction that they could not have if were not gifted.
For some strange reason our previous policeman is trying to contain the new policeman.
Don't you think it's bit unfair to judge them when later is not getting a fair chance to flex their muscle.
The previous policeman became policeman unelected,like our current government.
Lets see if he can survive the race with new one :enjoy:

Everybody wants to control others. The key to survive is to ensure the required deterrence to prevent others from controlling you.

However, at the same, we also need to value some moral norms. Otherwise, the world will not be conducive to live for human beings.

/////The key to survive is to ensure the required deterrence to prevent others from controlling you/////

Ladies and gentleman,i give you Japan and south korea
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/07/us-...d-as-dozens-hurt-in-south-korea-protests.html

question : What will you do if "the policeman" that is controlling you denies you the privilege to have "the required deterrence" if it does not go by their terms?

A) You will want to become poor fighter

B) You will want to become rich slave
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who is this america? and who has given them right to punish anyone?
As the leader of free democratic world, it has responsibility to punish the rouge regime.In ideal condition,UN security council should have sanction the punishment to these rouge regime.But due to the fact that 2 dictator loving, genocidal maniac loving countries are holding veto power, it is nearly impossible to do any humanitarian intervention with the UN sanction.Fortunately US was able to obtain UN approval to punish the Taliban.While US forced Serbia to stop massacring Kosovo muslim by bombing shit out of Serbia despite vehement opposition from that 2 genocidal maniac loving countries.For Iraq, it is debatable whether US should have gone to punish Saddam without UN approval which is handicapped by veto power anyway.
On a side note,i am fairly sure this america you are talking about has nothing to do with that amurikkan who also goes by the name US,that dropped atom bomb in hiroshima,nagashaki.
Hiroshima, Nagasaki was unfortunate event where you can't put blame on any single power.Just because US drop bomb there don't mean they are solely responsible.Even when it was completely clear that, Imperial Japan was going to loose the war, their fanatical army was refusing to surrender and vowing to continue the war until the last Japanese.The only alternative for allied forces other than dropping atom bomb was sending millions of ground troops in mainland Japan.Which would have resulted in hundreds of thousands of allied soldier casualties as well as civilian death and destruction 10 fold of what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.Only when the fanatical Imperial Japanese army witnessed, what otter destruction can bring the American bomb, they reluctantly agreed to surrender.So you can mostly blame the imperial Japanese army for their senseless determination to continue war despite knowing that they can't win and was willing to sacrifice millions of Japanese civilian to that stubborn reckless attitude.Sometimes you don't have a good and bad choice.Only bad and worse choice.Unfortunately allied forces had to take the bad choice to prevent the worse.
 
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As the leader of free democratic world, it has responsibility to punish the rouge regime.In ideal condition,UN security council should have sanction the punishment to these rouge regime.But due to the fact that 2 dictator loving, genocidal maniac loving countries are holding veto power, it is nearly impossible to do any humanitarian intervention with the UN sanction.Fortunately US was able to obtain UN approval to punish the Taliban.While US forced Serbia to stop massacring Kosovo muslim by bombing shit out of Serbia despite vehement opposition from that 2 genocidal maniac loving countries.For Iraq, it is debatable whether US should have gone to punish Saddam without UN approval which is handicapped by veto power anyway.

Hiroshima, Nagasaki was unfortunate event where you can't put blame on any single power.Just because US drop bomb there don't mean they are solely responsible.Even when it was completely clear that, Imperial Japan was going to loose the war, their fanatical army was refusing to surrender and vowing to continue the war until the last Japanese.The only alternative for allied forces other than dropping atom bomb was sending millions of ground troops in mainland Japan.Which would have resulted in hundreds of thousands of allied soldier casualties as well as civilian death and destruction 10 fold of what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.Only when the fanatical Imperial Japanese army witnessed, what otter destruction can bring the American bomb, they reluctantly agreed to surrender.So you can mostly blame the imperial Japanese army for their senseless determination to continue war despite knowing that they can't win and was willing to sacrifice millions of Japanese civilian to that stubborn reckless attitude.Sometimes you don't have a good and bad choice.Only bad and worse choice.Unfortunately allied forces had to take the bad choice to prevent the worse.
so the way to deal with fanatical power is to drop nukes on them.Do you know the difference between standardized war procedure and crime against humanity?
So if any other country drop nukes on another countries because "they could be a threat" i guess you should have no problem with that.Am i right?
hmm,i am looking forward to acquiring some nukes.

leader of the "free democratic world"? the country that sits at bottom among developed countries in science,living standards is "leader" because they have nukes?
I think i have got the picture.
 
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You chaps above need to take a chill pill.

If you talk about utopia democracy, look no further than Switzerland. They need to do a public voting even in order to build a bridge somewhere.

kthanksbye :closed:
 
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leader of the "free democratic world"? the country that sits at bottom among developed countries in science,living standards is "leader" because they have nukes?
I think i have got the picture.

You have no idea what you talking about...
 
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so the way to deal with fanatical power is to drop nukes on them.
So what is you suggestion to end the ww2 ? What is your method to convince the imperial Japanese army to surrender instead of continuing a fruitless, destructive war which was taking a heavy toll on Japanese civilian population and soldiers on both side alike? I think you should have commanded the allied forces and stopped that war with your super human quality with out dropping bombs in Heroshima or sending ground troops in Japanese mainland. Americans were mere mortal human being with all the faults and limitations, so they could not end the war for the liking of super human like you.Please forgive them.
 
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Not only Uncle Trump, but also any other uncles will turn away from a double-faced dubious country in the west of India. You have been eating Biriany, Qorma, Haleem and Nihari all the time because of $33 billion thrown to you by the USA. No wonder Uncle Trump has decided to withdraw further dollar.

In our case, we will not allow the creation of Taleban on our soil and then ask USA for money to destroy them. When the old boy in our west behaves unscrupulously, it is obvious that Uncle Trump will find out a new honest boy in the east.

wow talk about delusions of grandeur ok honest boy if you want to hitch your star to trump's wagon please go right ahead :lol:
 
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You chaps above need to take a chill pill.

If you talk about utopia democracy, look no further than Switzerland. They need to do a public voting even in order to build a bridge somewhere.

kthanksbye :closed:


Switzerland is proof positive that democracy is an ***.... also Swiss are one of the most racist of European nations...
 
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So if any other country drop nukes on another countries because "they could be a threat" i guess you should have no problem with that.Am i right?
''They could be a threat'' is not any valid arguement to drop nuclear bomb in current times when strength of atom bomb is 100 times greater than what was dropped in Heroshima.USA did not dropped atomic bomb in Japan with mere assumption that Japan could be threat. Japanese were already waging aggresive war for 14 years.They started their campaign of military subjugation of Asia by invading and occupying Manchuria back in 1931.By 1937, they captured most of the China with immense killing and destruction brought upon in Chinese mainland.By 1942, they were bombing Chittagong and Cox's Bazar after capturing vast swath of Asia up to Burma.Do you think, after all of these, US acted on just mere assumption that, Japanese ''could be a threat''? Who attacked pearl Harbor and brought US into direct conflict in ww2 ? Pearl Harbor was not much a less destruction than what American did in Heroshima with atom bomb.

No one can drop atom bomb to anyone with mere suspicion that they can be a threat.This is your bad logic.Western world is not run by that bad logic.If anyone initiate nuclear attack in current world, You can be certain that it would be only your favorite North Korean regime.Because they are the mad and reckless one in present time to think such an act.Western countries are holding the largest nuclear stockpile, but they are also the most responsible user of that power.No country in this world fear any nuclear attack from any western countries.But it can't be said for countries like North Korea.
 
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