Bahawalpur Solar Park will be world's largest

[Hyperion]

LOL. I've several times pointed out that IK is an idiot of the highest order, however, he is not evil as Sharif brothers and that fatso Altaf bhai.

Development of one province at the cost of others, no matter what you say, is not justified in a federation. First try to understand what Pakistan actually means, and what it means to be a Pakistani, then take pot shots at others.

Geographical boundry of Pakistan is not some "Allah kee lagaye hoi lakeer" that nothing can change it. If you forcibly bleed other provinces at the cost of Punjab, you have nothing but bad news coming your way. Sadly, that is the truth, no matter how you spin it.

He is a troll. He's pointed out ONLY NS's "stupidity" so far. And he has an issue with Punjab and NS. If he cared about "his country" so much, trust me, he should be coloring pages black on here with ink, trying to talk about other states such as KPK above all, not doing jack shiit for its people, compared to Punjab and Baluchistan.

If you truly want to grow as a nation, and you see someone doing that who you don't like (NS in this case), you ignore your personal issues and you appreciate whatever good work someone's done for the country. THAT is missing. You people go so blind on personal associations that you put your country second or third on the list and your personal affiliations on top!! There is no such thing as team work in Pakistani people. An Indian friend told me that long time ago and I was a little surprised. Then I heard it from many Pakistani-Americans themselves and it started to click since I started to come on here.

You guys need to learn to put your country on top of the list!!

 

[xyxmt]

no it is not.. In andhra itself there are two 1000mw power plants under construction. . Bids finalised. . land acquired. ..

I am sure those are world largest too, we like making world largest things...by world smallest brain people.

Did you have brain farts today ?

He farted his brain today

 

[I M Sikander]

Self delete

 

[Viper0011.]

LOL. I've several times pointed out that IK is an idiot of the highest order, however, he is not evil as Sharif brothers and that fatso Altaf bhai.

Development of one province at the cost of others, no matter what you say, is not justified in a federation. First try to understand what Pakistan actually means, and what it means to be a Pakistani, then take pot shots at others.

Geographical boundry of Pakistan is not some "Allah kee lagaye hoi lakeer" that nothing can change it. If you forcibly bleed other provinces at the cost of Punjab, you have nothing but bad news coming your way. Sadly, that is the truth, no matter how you spin it.

So Shariff brothers are evil......YET they have sold the idea of investing into Pakistan to half the globe. From the US (Bloomberg rating Pakistan's stock market as one of the top 5 best performers of 2014), to Moody's (improved credit rating and ok for investors to go ahead and put money on Pakistan), to the ME countries, where using educated Pakistani labor is being discussed a lot, along with buying Pakistani weapons and future products, to China, with $ 45 billion worth of investment coming in, to Russia, starting a brand new military relationship and a few billions worth of investment...etc, etc. ALL is evil's work.

They are creating millions of jobs, serious projects across the country, which will turn the tide everywhere in the country.......BUT they are evil.

And you are conveniently flat out lying and blaming them to build Punjab at the cost of other provinces. Do other provinces give up their budget to Punjab???? There is a limit of idiocy and false accusations. You and some like you, cross the decency levels. I wonder if you have a PHD in Bullshiit!!

How about you prove to me how the money is TAKEN from other provinces and GIVEN to Punjab. The federation gives it to all four. Whether they blow it on women and alcohol or do something for their people, its their responsibilities. People like you, sit outside and want a Pashtunistan to be build. The same old shithole called KPK where the leaders are so focused on doing nothing!! $ 0 worth of progress and $ 1000 worth of bullshiit!!!

 

[Icewolf]

Obviously China is going to invest through the safest route... Not through some Taliban or Seperatist Baloch stronghold... So stop crying people... Plus the investment in Punjab will only trickle down into the rest of the country.. For example West Germany and East Germany reunification. West Germany was decades ahead of East due to capitalism... But when they reunited the Western German companies developed East Germany on par . Now they are equal.

Or you can point out the North and South America during the Civil War era. North USA was decades ahead of the South industrially. But after they rejoined the South became more and more developed and is now on par on even better than the North.

 

[Viper0011.]

yes thank you from saving me from typing that. We need to move away from renewable and go for coal and hydel as a mixture till we can over come load shedding. But with the number of delays in the Neelum Jhelum dam it should have been done by this year or earlier if i recall correctly. If you notice billions of dollars of investment and no movement in action towards Basha dam... only more and more ground breaking ceremonies.

I read these comments posted by people like you and I wonder, how many of you even have a freaking clue as to how big these international projects are? You think a dam, funded by international institute is like building a 12 feet swimming pool where you can tell everyone when to start and when you'd like to take a dip in it.

Delays are a part of EVERY project. Something will go wrong and that's why contingency is planned. If I start to explain here a Hydro electric project and its complexities, I can probably spend all night writing. 44

The Solar and the Wind, may not be the cheapest, but here is what they do to Pakistan. They provide QUICK energy generation as you don't have to cut mountains, make a dam and blast out a billion ton of rock to create a bowl to hold water. You put Solar panels or Wind turbines on land and they start to work, in about 20% of the time it takes to build a dam. So there is quick relief for areas around certain industries that may matter to increase business activity and are needed for economy's growth. Next, the wind and solar energy has its own future. So, Pakistan is getting quick energy through these, but also creating infrastructure, know how, technical skills and labor trained in renewable energies. In the future, you will be producing engineers specializing in Solar energy, Wind Energy and other dynamics. This same experience can be used in the Civlian sector, in the Military sector and can also be offered to other countries as expensive engineering labor specializing in these skills (like how India does with IT and Doctors).

Again, understand the strategy behind something before criticizing it like a 12 year old child who's struggling with hormones and common sense!

 

[danger007]

Are there any separate mechanism to Encourage Renewables.. Indian govt offering Benefits like 10years tax holiday, AD benefit, REC trading (2012-2017) will benefit us to get more revenue other than PPA depending upon units generated. .. RPO... Loan incentives, Power banking, we don't have wheeling charges with in the state...+other benefits. .. as well as govt planning to award solar park 20000mw .. to the unemployed youth 20000 individuals or self help groups...

1000 MW. 900 MW Chinese Investment and 100 MW from Punjab Government.

but is that 100mw park in the same site and part of the park??? or separately in that site...

 

[Gufi]

I read these comments posted by people like you and I wonder, how many of you even have a freaking clue as to how big these international projects are? You think a dam, funded by international institute is like building a 12 feet swimming pool where you can tell everyone when to start and when you'd like to take a dip in it.

listen before you comment try and study the situation
After being approved in 1989, the design was improved, increasing the tunnel length and generation capacity. The project was intended to begin in 2002 and be completed in 2008 but this time-frame experienced significant delays to rising costs and funding.[2]On 7 July 2007, the Chinese consortium CGGC-CMEC (Gezhouba Group and China National Machinery Import and Export Corporation) were awarded the contract to construct the dam and power station. The construction contract was settled by the end of the year and in January 2008, the letter of commencement was issued. On 8 February, Pakistan's President Pervez Musharrafannounced that the project would begin.[3] In October 2011, the diversion tunnel intended to divert the Neelum River around the dam site was completed.[4]

On 1 November, Pakistan's Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani publicly stated his concern for the project's delay. At its appraisal in 1989, it was to cost $167 million USD (2011) and after another redesign in 2005, that cost rose to $935 million USD (2011). Currently costs have risen to $2.89 billion USD (2011).[5] The project is being constructed under the supervision of the Water and Power Development Authority (WAPDA) and funding is being achieved through the Neelum Jhelum Hydropower Company, taxes, bond offerings, Middle Eastern and Chinese banks. WAPDA has successfully secured loans from a consortium of Chinese banks and from Middle East. Tunnel-boring machines (TBM) were brought to help speed up the excavation of the remaining tunnels. They became operational in February 2013.[6] In mid-2014 Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif visited the construction site in mid-2014 and hoped to have at least one generator operational by mid-2015. The project was 66 percent complete as of August 2014 while at the same time the diversion tunnel was 75 percent complete. US$475 million in funding was still not secured by the Economic Affairs Division at that time.[7] On 24 December 2014 a wall near the diversion tunnel's intake collapsed, killing four workers including a Chinese engineer.[8] In January 2015 Minister of State for the Ministry of Water and Power, Abid Sher Ali, stated that that extra funding should be secured and that December 2015 was a feasible target for the first generator to be commissioned.[9] The remainder of the project is scheduled to be complete early, in 2016 instead of the originally planned 2018.[7]

it is wikipedia and not as authentic as one would like but the references below should satisfy you. Learn to study things before going on rants

Again, understand the strategy behind something before criticizing it like a 12 year old child who's struggling with hormones and common sense!

what is with you and getting personal learn some manners

 

[syedali73]

Coal reserves in Sindh are pretty isolated and away from the population and more importantly we need to get ourselves reminded that we ain't living in Europe to have luxuries solutions. Wished we could had built KalaBagh and Bhasa Dam.

OK. Coal among other fossil fuels is a dirty fuel for upon burning it emits harmful gases in the air that not only affect the local environment but the global environment too. Depending on the quality of the coal, the harmful gas emission can be more or less. However, the coal in Thar is poor quality coal, submerged under a huge pool of underground water. First of all excavating this coal is quite an arduous task, secondly, even if it is taken out somehow, due to the poor quality, it will generate less energy and spew more harmful gases. Due to high sulpher contents, it will also damage the furnesses more often and in long run, the cost of generating electricity will be significant. I agree with you on the hydrothermal power plants though. There is no need to wait for larger dams and turbines. Lots of smaller turbines can be installed on the river spill ways and mountain streams.

 

[Wolfhound]

I keep reading about the Pakistan energy problem so why would you want to go for solar???

-costly compared to coal/natural gas
-low efficiency (20%)
-no energy produced at night


why isn't Pakistan getting China to invest in building some coal plants??


seems like the real winners are the Chinese solar company on this deal


compared to Topaz which generated 1.05 TW/H in 2014 with just 550MW that isn't good
Topaz Solar Farm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
so averaged 125 megawatts out of the 550 megawatts so a 22% efficiency so bhawalpur will average worse.

That is just shit efficiency. I really do hope they make a breakthrough in solar panel technology.

 

[shah_123]

LOL. I've several times pointed out that IK is an idiot of the highest order, however, he is not evil as Sharif brothers and that fatso Altaf bhai.

Development of one province at the cost of others, no matter what you say, is not justified in a federation. First try to understand what Pakistan actually means, and what it means to be a Pakistani, then take pot shots at others.

Geographical boundry of Pakistan is not some "Allah kee lagaye hoi lakeer" that nothing can change it. If you forcibly bleed other provinces at the cost of Punjab, you have nothing but bad news coming your way. Sadly, that is the truth, no matter how you spin it.

i am a silent reader of this forum, just couldn't stop myself from posting ---
Is this our problem that CM's of other provinces don't work, why should we suffer if your elected representatives don't care for their people -

 

[coffee_cup]

OK. Coal among other fossil fuels is a dirty fuel for upon burning it emits harmful gases in the air that not only affect the local environment but the global environment too. Depending on the quality of the coal, the harmful gas emission can be more or less. However, the coal in Thar is poor quality coal, submerged under a huge pool of underground water. First of all excavating this coal is quite an arduous task, secondly, even if it is taken out somehow, due to the poor quality, it will generate less energy and spew more harmful gases. Due to high sulpher contents, it will also damage the furnesses more often and in long run, the cost of generating electricity will be significant. I agree with you on the hydrothermal power plants though. There is no need to wait for larger dams and turbines. Lots of smaller turbines can be installed on the river spill ways and mountain streams.

OK bhai jaan, a quick question: Would you rather prefer almost everyone burning rubber, wood, plastic or whatever they can get their hands on to bake the bread? Or perhaps all the deafening generators running on diesel and petrol, so loud that you can't even hear yourself speaking when they runningl? Because this is what is happening and will keep happening if we do not quickly overcome the energy crises.

Yes, coal might not be the cleanest of the energy resources, but given the circumstances, it is still better and we urgently need these.

And with the technology getting more and more advance the emission of harmful gases can be greatly reduced by applying different kinds of filters.

I totally agree that ideally we should go for cleaner energy resources, but what is the form of energy that doesn't impact the environment?

Huge hydel projects? Nuclear? Wind Turbines with all the noise that impact the wild life (yes it has been proven in Germany, that the wind mills are harmful for wild life): Don't they impact the environment? Do you know how much China was criticized for 3-gorges Dam for the disastrous impact it would have on the environment?

In summary, no project - no matter what sort it is - will be without its critic. So lets just beat it and pray that some of these projects come true, so that people of Pakistan may get rid of those chronic power short falls.

PS. I hate the incompetent Sharifs as much as any one else, but I just want to see some energy projects being finished and start giving relief to people, no matter who completes them.

 

[hussain0216]

i am a silent reader of this forum, just couldn't stop myself from posting ---
Is this our problem that CM's of other provinces don't work, why should we suffer if your elected representatives don't care for their people -

Absolutely this is the problem

PPP is useless, MQM is useless, the religious parties in Pakistan JuD, Jui are useless

PMLN is a little less useless and the sharifs if nothing else are business minded, they are still useless but i have been atleast partly placated that they are doing some things right and headed in the right direction

We are a nation where people are idiots and democratically immature, we vote for "local" parties based upon regional and ethnic loyalties regardless of how good the leader or party is

So people will repeatedly vote for PPP or MQM when they have done nothing for the nation

The politicians who make up these parties serve themselves, their families, business interests and special interests


It is difficult for our elected governments historically to work easily in provinces where the 'other' parties hold sway as it is seen as a kind of invasion of turf any development work rather than lauded will be seen as an attempt to sway and take voters



The bottom line is this PPP, MQM, ANI, Jud etc have fone NOTHING for the areas where they are elected and in charge
so if you are stupid enough to keep voting for these idiots then whose fault is it


I have some hope for a PTI led by imran khan and Nawaz has actually impressed me so far this term

Be thankful thst Pakistan is finally getting up,

 

[Viper0011.]

In mid-2014 Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif visited the construction site in mid-2014 and hoped to have at least one generator operational by mid-2015. The project was 66 percent complete as of August 2014 while at the same time the diversion tunnel was 75 percent complete. US$475 million in funding was still not secured by the Economic Affairs Division at that time.[7] On 24 December 2014 a wall near the diversion tunnel's intake collapsed, killing four workers including a Chinese engineer.[8] In January 2015 Minister of State for the Ministry of Water and Power, Abid Sher Ali, stated that that extra funding should be secured and that December 2015 was a feasible target for the first generator to be commissioned.[9] The remainder of the project is scheduled to be complete early, in 2016 instead of the originally planned 2018.[7]

it is wikipedia and not as authentic as one would like but the references below should satisfy you. Learn to study things before going on rants. what is with you and getting personal learn some manners

I think there was a reason I commented to begin with. And the reason if you read your original post, was obvious. You are making this sound like an issue where people weren't doing their work. If you read your own history, PPP corrupted this and all other projects in their time. The WB, the IMF and the Chinese didn't want to work with them because they knew the money wouldn't make it to the project.

Because of that very reason, the work was stopped and at times, slowly started and stopped again. That was one of the reasons why the tunnel collapsed as the work had been on and off, which, if you know any details about this type of work, you'd know when moving mountains and creating tunnels, the soil has a limit. In Pakistan's case, these areas have mountains made out of soil that's like sand, so unless you put a concrete structure around it very quickly, if it sits there, it'll collapse. Go ask someone who lives in the northern part of your country. They'll tell you the same thing.

And I am not quoting wiki, I am telling you how it is in that area, based on my personal knowledge and experience. And I am not getting personal, I think people have a responsibility to themselves to post read / research before posting anything.

 

[shah_123]

Absolutely this is the problem

PPP is useless, MQM is useless, the religious parties in Pakistan JuD, Jui are useless

PMLN is a little less useless and the sharifs if nothing else are business minded, they are still useless but i have been atleast partly placated that they are doing some things right and headed in the right direction

We are a nation where people are idiots and democratically immature, we vote for "local" parties based upon regional and ethnic loyalties regardless of how good the leader or party is

So people will repeatedly vote for PPP or MQM when they have done nothing for the nation

The politicians who make up these parties serve themselves, their families, business interests and special interests


It is difficult for our elected governments historically to work easily in provinces where the 'other' parties hold sway as it is seen as a kind of invasion of turf any development work rather than lauded will be seen as an attempt to sway and take voters



The bottom line is this PPP, MQM, ANI, Jud etc have fone NOTHING for the areas where they are elected and in charge
so if you are stupid enough to keep voting for these idiots then whose fault is it


I have some hope for a PTI led by imran khan and Nawaz has actually impressed me so far this term

Be thankful thst Pakistan is finally getting up,

the opportunity has knocked our doors and here people are spreading ethnic hate --- very very sorry state of affairs.