Featured BAF to get high-performance fighter planes: PM

[Michael Corleone]

Typical delusional Pakistani with superiority complex. FYI most Bangladeshis use Facebook to discuss defense related matters that's why very few are regular in three forum. Most discussions are held in three major defense pages and various Facebook groups.

The Bangladesh Defence Analyst Forum

www.defseca.com

"40,807 female workers going abroad for employment between 1971 and July 2019 – representing just 0.4 per cent of all migration over this period (BE&OE, 2019). Of these, 42.56 percent of women went to the United Arab Emirates, followed by 35 percent to Saudi Arabia. Other prominent destination countries included Oman (5 per cent); United Kingdom (2 per cent) Qatar (2 per cent) and Canada (1.4 per cent)."

"Of the 6,444 women who migrated for work from 2008 to 2013, 1,437 worked as cleaners or housemaids (22.3 per cent)"

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@Sine Nomine apply burnol to the effected area

 

[waz]

Thread bans coming up. People don’t listen.

 

[Destranator]

@Michael Corleone @UKBengali @The Ronin @mb444 @Atlas@Bilal9 @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

How feasible do you guys think the following long term solution would be to operate Western aircraft yet counter the risk of American sanctions on spares if things heat up against India:

Gripens with:

• MRO and assembly facilities
• Spare CKD/SKD kits and engines for a dozen or two additional units bought in advance and mothballed for emergency war time assembly.
• Hundreds of missiles in storage.

I think SAAB would be open to the idea if we are willing to commit.

Caveats:

• This will take time to implement as BAC is at infancy.
• BAF would have to grow a spine
• BAU and BAC would effectively be taken over by SAAB in such a scenario.

If the above solution works there is no harm in BAF going full Western:

1-2 sqd EFT + 3-4 sqd Gripens
Or
4-6 sqd Gripens

 

[UKBengali]

@Michael Corleone @UKBengali @The Ronin @mb444 @Atlas

How feasible do you guys think the following long term solution would be to operate Western aircraft yet counter the risk of American sanctions on spares if things heat up against India:

Gripens with:

• MRO and assembly facilities
• Spare CKD/SKD kits and engines for a dozen or two additional units bought in advance and mothballed for emergency war time assembly.
• Hundreds of missiles in storage.

I think SAAB would be open to the idea if we are willing to commit.

Caveats:

• This will take time to implement as BAC is at infancy.
• BAF would have to grow a spine
• BAU and BAC would effectively be taken over by SAAB in such a scenario.

If the above solution works there is no harm in BAF going full Western:

1-2 sqd EFT + 3-4 sqd Gripens
Or
4-6 sqd Gripens

I would not waste time and money on Eurofighters at all, since they would most likely have to be brought new(earliest delivery 2025) and are very expensive to run compared to Gripen Cs.


S Africa has 12 spare Gripen Cs in storage that it would sell to any buyer in a heartbeat. BD needs to snap them up asap and also look to any other countries(including Sweden) that may want to dispose of Gripen Cs.

Then they need to work with Sweden to refurbish these aircraft with the new AESA radar upgrade that is available for the Gripen C and install modern electronics that are also available. Hundreds of Meteors can also be obtained through Sweden.

As for engines, well the GE engine will last for lifetime of aircraft and so am not sure you gain anything by buying anymore than a dozen spares to hold in reserve.

The only issue is that US approval will be required for the transfers to BD due to the GE engine. Once they are in BD then US has no leverage anymore as the GE engine can be refurbished by Sweden and will last at least as long as the airframe.


PS - I would not go fully Western as Chinese aircraft will ultimately be required to take care of India - some foresight and BAF could be flying Chinese J-35s before the end of this decade.

 

[VikingRaider]

@Michael Corleone @UKBengali @The Ronin @mb444 @Atlas@Bilal9 @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

How feasible do you guys think the following long term solution would be to operate Western aircraft yet counter the risk of American sanctions on spares if things heat up against India:

Gripens with:

• MRO and assembly facilities
• Spare CKD/SKD kits and engines for a dozen or two additional units bought in advance and mothballed for emergency war time assembly.
• Hundreds of missiles in storage.

I think SAAB would be open to the idea if we are willing to commit.

Caveats:

• This will take time to implement as BAC is at infancy.
• BAF would have to grow a spine
• BAU and BAC would effectively be taken over by SAAB in such a scenario.

If the above solution works there is no harm in BAF going full Western:

1-2 sqd EFT + 3-4 sqd Gripens
Or
4-6 sqd Gripens

I would go for both . So 1 - 2 sqd EFT + 3 - 4 sqd Gripens.

However I actually prefer Chinese equipment nowadays ( and surely once they will make better stuffs than west )as I believe that in future China is going to be the superpower and will be the most trusted ally.

They have no disturbing nature like the westerners.

We have to be practical in order to stand tall. As if we can't stand tall , we will be doomed in future.

CAA and NRC taught me ( many of us who didn't consider India as a threat ) a very good lesson . Now I consider India as the biggest threat of the existence of Bangladesh.

And any day China is the best safeguard against our strategic ally ( @vishwambhar ) India !

 

[Tigers]

I started hearing about new fighter planes for BAF when I was still single. I got married last year. This year I welcomed a baby boy. I have gotten married, become a father but BAF is still waiting on new fighter planes which shows no sign of arriving.

When I see the developments in Myanmar for comparison, it becomes clear that we are far behind. We have not even decided on the fighter plane to begin negotiations, place an order, wait for the fighter planes to arrive, begin training pilots, get the fighter jets operational, build necessary support infrastructure for deployments, develop tactics, conduct exercises and this goes on and on. We have done none of this.

It is a long process to induct a modern air combat platform and we haven't taken the first step. What is BAL doing? Issuing statements. These meaningless statements will only satisfy BAL supporters and no one else.

 

[Michael Corleone]

@Michael Corleone @UKBengali @The Ronin @mb444 @Atlas@Bilal9 @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

How feasible do you guys think the following long term solution would be to operate Western aircraft yet counter the risk of American sanctions on spares if things heat up against India:

Gripens with:

• MRO and assembly facilities
• Spare CKD/SKD kits and engines for a dozen or two additional units bought in advance and mothballed for emergency war time assembly.
• Hundreds of missiles in storage.

I think SAAB would be open to the idea if we are willing to commit.

Caveats:

• This will take time to implement as BAC is at infancy.
• BAF would have to grow a spine
• BAU and BAC would effectively be taken over by SAAB in such a scenario.

If the above solution works there is no harm in BAF going full Western:

1-2 sqd EFT + 3-4 sqd Gripens
Or
4-6 sqd Gripens

As long as Bangladesh doesn’t wage war against india, India would suck off america to death but we will not face sanctions. Bangladesh can defend itself freely, just not wage war

I would not waste time and money on Eurofighters at all, since they would most likely have to be brought new(earliest delivery 2025) and are very expensive to run compared to Gripen Cs.


S Africa has 12 spare Gripen Cs in storage that it would sell to any buyer in a heartbeat. BD needs to snap them up asap and also look to any other countries(including Sweden) that may want to dispose of Gripen Cs.

Then they need to work with Sweden to refurbish these aircraft with the new AESA radar upgrade that is available for the Gripen C and install modern electronics that are also available. Hundreds of Meteors can also be obtained through Sweden.

As for engines, well the GE engine will last for lifetime of aircraft and so am not sure you gain anything by buying anymore than a dozen spares to hold in reserve.

The only issue is that US approval will be required for the transfers to BD due to the GE engine. Once they are in BD then US has no leverage anymore as the GE engine can be refurbished by Sweden and will last at least as long as the airframe.


PS - I would not go fully Western as Chinese aircraft will ultimately be required to take care of India - some foresight and BAF could be flying Chinese J-35s before the end of this decade.

What’s your reasoning as to why we need Chinese planes to counter india? EFT consortium is not indebted to india for buying rafale

 

[vishwambhar]

I would go for both . So 1 - 2 sqd EFT + 3 - 4 sqd Gripens.

However I actually prefer Chinese equipment nowadays ( and surely once they will make better stuffs than west )as I believe that in future China is going to be the superpower and will be the most trusted ally.

They have no disturbing nature like the westerners.

We have to be practical in order to stand tall. As if we can't stand tall , we will be doomed in future.

CAA and NRC taught me ( many of us who didn't consider India as a threat ) a very good lesson . Now I consider India as the biggest threat of the existence of Bangladesh.

And any day China is the best safeguard against our strategic ally ( @vishwambhar ) India !

We are strategic allies..... staying with China is no good for you in long term.....

Back to the topic I think BAF will opt for deadly MIG 35s..... with huge expertise with MIG 29 Fulcrums they have to do very little work to setup infrastructure and quickly master this next version of Fulcrum..... both India and Bangladesh are highly satisfied customers of Fulcrum ( India buying additional 21 Fulcrums from Russia) and MIG 35s entry into BAF will maintain commonality in platforms, doctrine and training in both air forces.... we can even have buddy buddy refuelling over the bay of Bengal for longer range missions.....

MIG 35 a Fulcrum on steroids..... go for it....

 

[waz]

Grippen = US engine, poor man's EFT, Rafle etc, Sweden is funny when it comes to exports to "high tension countries".
Ignore it.
The BAF is best to go for the EFT.

 

[VikingRaider]

We are strategic allies

Really ? Against Myanmer ?

staying with China is no good for you in long term.....

But way better than Hindutvastan/Sanghi Land ! So yes in the end China is the best weapon to break Akhanda bharat dream !

 

[VikingRaider]

I started hearing about new fighter planes for BAF when I was still single. I got married last year. This year I welcomed a baby boy. I have gotten married, become a father but BAF is still waiting on new fighter planes which shows no sign of arriving.

I hope BAF will buy the desired plane when your child will get married, and then you will become a grand father! . Be patient my friend!

 

[UKBengali]

What’s your reasoning as to why we need Chinese planes to counter india? EFT consortium is not indebted to india for buying rafale

Even say UK, Germany, Spain and Italy can be totally relied on against India, which may not be true over the next 3 decades, I would much rather BAF gets 5th gen J-35s towards the latter part of this decade than 4+ gen Eurofighters in 2025.

Also, whatever Eurofighter BAF gets will probably be the ultimate version, whereas the J-35 will get better electronics, radar and engines through it's 30 year lifespan.


BAF has missed the boat to be buying brand new 4th gen fighters and should focus on refurbished 4th gen fighters to keep it going for next 10-15 years and then buy a combination of Chinese/Turkish 5th fighters for the medium-long term.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Even say UK, Germany, Spain and Italy can be totally relied on against India, which may not be true over the next 3 decades, I would much rather BAF gets 5th gen J-35s towards the latter part of this decade than 4+ gen Eurofighters in 2025.

Also, whatever Eurofighter BAF gets will probably be the ultimate version, whereas the J-35 will get better electronics, radar and engines through it's 30 year lifespan.


BAF has missed the boat to be buying brand new 4th gen fighters and should focus on refurbished 4th gen fighters to keep it going for next 10-15 years and then buy a combination of Chinese/Turkish 5th fighters for the medium-long term.

Agree but most probably they’ll buy one squadron and call it a day. We have seen nothing of incompetence yet

 

[Tigers]

I hope BAF will buy the desired plane when your child will get married, and then you will become a grand father! .

Forces Goal 2040.

Even say UK, Germany, Spain and Italy can be totally relied on against India, which may not be true over the next 3 decades, I would much rather BAF gets 5th gen J-35s towards the latter part of this decade than 4+ gen Eurofighters in 2025.

My vote is for Eurofighter simply because a mature fourth-generation aircraft is better than an untested fifth-generation aircraft. The other issue with J-35 is that the characteristics associated with a fifth-generation platform are missing in J-35, like supercruise, and the local Chinese jet engines are not very mature. J-35 is China's first step towards a fifth-generation platform. We will have to wait to see if this attempt succeeds.

 

[mb444]

Even say UK, Germany, Spain and Italy can be totally relied on against India, which may not be true over the next 3 decades, I would much rather BAF gets 5th gen J-35s towards the latter part of this decade than 4+ gen Eurofighters in 2025.

Also, whatever Eurofighter BAF gets will probably be the ultimate version, whereas the J-35 will get better electronics, radar and engines through it's 30 year lifespan.


BAF has missed the boat to be buying brand new 4th gen fighters and should focus on refurbished 4th gen fighters to keep it going for next 10-15 years and then buy a combination of Chinese/Turkish 5th fighters for the medium-long term.

Great analysis.