BAF F-7s Taxing & Landing in 4K...

[Michael Corleone]

I wonder if radar data from the new selex radar can be sent over to bg/ BGI fire control systems... if it’s possible then it should mitigate issues regarding BVR... when the BGI were inducted, news channels claimed it was BVR capable, but no such missiles have been acquired for them and certainly no radar system powerful enough can be installed in that nose cone

 

[Bilal9]

Interceptor, ground attack and training role.



Not yet.



8 Mig-29 and BM upgrade is comparable to SMT upgrade.



Well, it breaks my heart to say this but this may be the CHEAPEST (সস্তার বাপ, সেভেন আপ) option BAF can get if it comes with BVR and anti-radiation missile. Can this fire WVR, cause i couldn't find any data?

Buy this in large number with full ToT or MRO rights, integrate third party systems/weapons if necessary and leave the rest to two/three twin engine heavy MRCA squadrons. This is the Chinese alternative of KAI T/FA-50 i talked about before to kill two birds (training-combat) with one stone.
এরপরও যদি কিছু না অয়.........আর কি কইতাম।




BG was inducted when Golapi was PM. MB version is still operational in 25 squadron (Trendsetters). Photo was taken in last November. Even the first F-7 in the video is MB version.

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AFAIK the former the air chief whose tenure was during BGI's procurement said that BGI will have three MFD. But no photo is available. @LKJ86 do you have any photo of F-7BGI's cockpit? Are the photos below of BGI's cockpit?

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Cockpit of F-7 BG "Airgurd"

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Yes, the report is BELIEVABLE. You even read that Looks like age plays trick with everyone's memory. BAF is also buying Mk-81 bomb and (possibly) reconnaissance pod for F-7.

Roketsan's Teber laser guidance kit will be integrated in BAF F-7BG

Google translation: The TEBER Guidance Kit developed by Roketsan will be integrated into the combat aircraft in the inventory of Bangladesh Air Force Command. According to information obtained by SavunmaSanayiST.com on the subject; Bangladesh Air Force inventory located in Chengdu F-7BG...

defence.pk

https://dgdp.gov.bd/dgdp/AP_TEN/doc/4699.pdf?fbclid=IwAR19UU56ztQXgrZR-qkoM94CO9HvGV6cAq8M3fahjHnTa17SvCp44IvcILA

https://dgdp.gov.bd/dgdp/AP_TEN/doc/4334.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1V2Qt4cdbok8N7WMnfOFGzFicmXw-rkyorrZarViHbAgh9Zdkkw1XGSrk

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Excellent post!

Yes, the report is BELIEVABLE. You even read that Looks like age plays trick with everyone's memory.

Some of us struggle with memory issues. Be kind.

Tomra nobeen, chalaiya jao....

 

[Bilal9]

I wonder if radar data from the new selex radar can be sent over to bg/ BGI fire control systems... if it’s possible then it should mitigate issues regarding BVR... when the BGI were inducted, news channels claimed it was BVR capable, but no such missiles have been acquired for them and certainly no radar system powerful enough can be installed in that nose cone

Hasina effect - orders from Delhi probably. SD-10's are certainly not that expensive, PAF ordered more than 400 I believe.

I wonder what kind of radar can be fitted to FTC-2000G (new version)? Nose cone looks roomy enough for the smaller FIAR (Leonardo) Grifo radar (or newer versions), which PAF uses. Maybe @GumNaam bhai can shed some light.

 

[GumNaam]

Hasina effect - orders from Delhi probably. SD-10's are certainly not that expensive, PAF ordered more than 400 I believe.

I wonder what kind of radar can be fitted to FTC-2000G (new version)? Nose cone looks roomy enough for the smaller FIAR Grifo radar (or newer versions), which PAF uses. Maybe @GumNaam bhai can shed some light.

I'm pretty sure that the new Chinese radars are much more powerful Edgar grifo radar and that is most probably the radar that the FTC-2000s have. For example, Pakistan compared Chinese AESA radars against the vixen aesa radars and found the Chinese radars to be at par with the vixen with the exception of not having built in FLIR which we want to keep as an external pod for whatever reason instead of having it be in the top of the nose cone...probably because an FLIR pod can be used for both air to air mode & air to ground mode while the built in one can only be used for air to air mode since it can't look down unless the pilot takes a nose dive.

 

[Destranator]

BAF: Our F-7s can take off and land in 4K. Can yours?

 

[Bilal9]

BAF: Our F-7s can take off and land in 4K. Can yours?

8K is now available. Look on YouTube.

Unbelievable clarity even on 4K LED TV's.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

8K is now available. Look on YouTube.

Unbelievable clarity even on 4K LED TV's.

My next music video will be shot in 8k.

 

[Michael Corleone]

What role are they using their F-7 for?

With Burma having Mig-29 & JF-17, Bengali F-7 has no AA role anymore.

Interception

 

[denel]

Mig-21/F-7 was called the poor man's F-16 once upon a time. It is still a good fighter plane. Both India has Mig-21 and Pakistan has F-7s. Usually, a country keeps the old but good ones and adds new planes.

But, our Pundit brats think BAF would buy new planes and destroy the F-7s as if these were bought free of cost. Very silly knowledge on how things work in the airforces and this is how these two guys love to portray BD as a rich country.

That last bit is correct; that is where the Super7 was based off; but that is all - the chinese appear to use that forward into JL-9; of course the nose intake now is totally free and you can put a decent radar for bvr and double delta from the G variant moves forward.

Mig-21F - which is what this design is based off remains the best fighter in terms of ease of use in the entire series; of course with new materials, double delta etc. it is probably the best -> J7G variant.

 

[mb444]

Interceptor, ground attack and training role.



Not yet.



8 Mig-29 and BM upgrade is comparable to SMT upgrade.



Well, it breaks my heart to say this but this may be the CHEAPEST (সস্তার বাপ, সেভেন আপ) option BAF can get if it comes with BVR and anti-radiation missile. Can this fire WVR, cause i couldn't find any data?

Buy this in large number with full ToT or MRO rights, integrate third party systems/weapons if necessary and leave the rest to two/three twin engine heavy MRCA squadrons. This is the Chinese alternative of KAI T/FA-50 i talked about before to kill two birds (training-combat) with one stone.
এরপরও যদি কিছু না অয়.........আর কি কইতাম।




BG was inducted when Golapi was PM. MB version is still operational in 25 squadron (Trendsetters). Photo was taken in last November. Even the first F-7 in the video is MB version.

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AFAIK the former the air chief whose tenure was during BGI's procurement said that BGI will have three MFD. But no photo is available. @LKJ86 do you have any photo of F-7BGI's cockpit? Are the photos below of BGI's cockpit?

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Cockpit of F-7 BG "Airgurd"

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Yes, the report is BELIEVABLE. You even read that Looks like age plays trick with everyone's memory. BAF is also buying Mk-81 bomb and (possibly) reconnaissance pod for F-7.

Roketsan's Teber laser guidance kit will be integrated in BAF F-7BG

Google translation: The TEBER Guidance Kit developed by Roketsan will be integrated into the combat aircraft in the inventory of Bangladesh Air Force Command. According to information obtained by SavunmaSanayiST.com on the subject; Bangladesh Air Force inventory located in Chengdu F-7BG...

defence.pk

https://dgdp.gov.bd/dgdp/AP_TEN/doc/4699.pdf?fbclid=IwAR19UU56ztQXgrZR-qkoM94CO9HvGV6cAq8M3fahjHnTa17SvCp44IvcILA

https://dgdp.gov.bd/dgdp/AP_TEN/doc/4334.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1V2Qt4cdbok8N7WMnfOFGzFicmXw-rkyorrZarViHbAgh9Zdkkw1XGSrk

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I have said it before and saying it again. BAF should take up the offer by the chinese of relocating F7 production line to BD if it is still possible. The outcome would be an actual fighter that in numbers would provide BD with great defensive capacity and much better return for bucks than building some idiotic trainer from scratch.

 

[Bilal9]

There is a similar thread opened for PAF F-7 P's and PG's.

F-7P and F-7PG

People of Defence PK, I want all of us to get together and list out why the F-7 appears to be a problematic topic in the community. Over here we will critically analyze the F-7 Variants operated by the P.A.F and if the F-7 Variants operated by the P.A.F are relevant in the coming decades. I...

defence.pk

 

[nahtanbob]

Excellent analysis and agree 100%. The F-7BGI's we have are very capable lightweight maneuverable platforms for the WVR scenario under the cover of BVR capable fighters, owing to the latest batch having full glass cockpits of Chinese origin, and their double delta wing planforms.

The rate of success in WVR dogfights is more certain under BVR cover, and some of the BVR automation in newer fighters gives false confidence and hope to current crop of pilots with 'push-button' training. In a close-in dogfight scenario, the determined and trained pilot with steel nerves and a 25/30mm dumb cannon wins every time. Running away trailing schaff and flares won't help.

By the way - I also heard last year that some SE Asian AF (Myanmarese?) have ordered the latest variant of the F-7, the Guizhou FTC-2000. Compared to the F-7BGI, the wings were made larger, more advanced, with seven hardpoints. It is capable of firing BVR guided munitions similar to those used by the JF-17, such as SD-10, and also the CM-102 anti-radiation missile, and various guided and non-guided bombs. It uses the Liyang WP-13 engine, a variant of the Tumansky R13 used in later Mig 21 versions.

However I'm willing to say that as long as Hindutvas have a say so with Hasina (IMHO they surely do), we won't be getting full BVR capable fighters (and guided munitions) for a while to trump anything India fields in the sky or be remotely capable to tackle/resist IAF in an adversarial capacity. Hindutvas will and have made sure of it, thanks to Hasina. I will be happy to eat my own words if I'm proven wrong.

I don't honestly know if the upgraded MiG-29 9-13's (?) we have (not SMT's for sure) have that capability or have even partial BVR capability.

@Destranator, @Michael Corleone and @Ronin bhais may have latest info...

Russian R-77 missiles are questionable weapons for BVR combat

 

[siegecrossbow]

I'm pretty sure that the new Chinese radars are much more powerful Edgar grifo radar and that is most probably the radar that the FTC-2000s have. For example, Pakistan compared Chinese AESA radars against the vixen aesa radars and found the Chinese radars to be at par with the vixen with the exception of not having built in FLIR which we want to keep as an external pod for whatever reason instead of having it be in the top of the nose cone...probably because an FLIR pod can be used for both air to air mode & air to ground mode while the built in one can only be used for air to air mode since it can't look down unless the pilot takes a nose dive.

FTC-2000 doesn’t use AESA to the best of my knowledge. The L-15B uses a PESA radar.

 

[GumNaam]

FTC-2000 doesn’t use AESA to the best of my knowledge. The L-15B uses a PESA radar.

I didn't say FTC-2000 uses the AESA radar. I said Pakistan compared the Chinese AESA radar with the european vixen AESA radar for the JF-17s.