Australia-China trade deal close

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Australia-China trade deal close

Nations likely to sign FTA during President Xi's visit

Australia Thursday said it hopes to complete an elusive free trade agreement (FTA) with its top export partner China when President Xi Jinping visits in November.

FTA talks between the two nations first began in 2005, but stalled last year over agriculture and China's insistence on removing investment limits for State-owned enterprises.

But Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said she was hopeful a deal would be reached by the time Xi attends the G20 summit in Brisbane in November.

Bishop is due to host her Chinese counterpart Wang Yi in Australia on Sunday, and said Xi's visit would be on the agenda.

"We will be discussing President Xi Jinping's visit during the G20 summit in November - and we hope that at that time we shall be in a position to conclude the negotiations for an FTA," she was quoted as saying by The Australian newspaper.

"China is Australia's largest trading partner and an increasingly important source of investment. We have a shared interest in the stability of our region."

China's ambassador to Australia Ma Zhaoxu confirmed that FTA discussions were being accelerated.

"We are entering a new stage of development," he told the newspaper. "We are speeding up negotiations."

Over the past year Australia has sealed free trade deals with Japan and South Korea, but China will be the feather in its cap.

The FTA is expected to cover an array of issues, including agricultural tariffs and quotas, manufactured goods, services, temporary entry of people and foreign investment.

Ma said China's urbanization and industrialization offered Australia a "goldmine" because of its need to import goods and services.

He estimated this to be worth more than $10 trillion over the next five years, while China would invest $500 billion overseas over the same period, the newspaper reported.

Australia already has several other bilateral FTA pacts, including with Singapore, Thailand and the US.

China is Australia's largest export market, accounting for almost one-third of Australia's total goods and services exports.

Australia's exports to China valued at $102 billion in 2013, an increase of $22 billion or 28 percent growth on 2012, according to official statistics.

 

[Speeder 2]

China shoud not , and must not, have FTA with Australia.

Australia is an Amercian colony, and a lapdog of Abe's Japan more recently, remorslessly trying to curb China's rise.

This is in spite of the fact the it's China's rise that has single-handedly made Australia so rich today in the first place.

Australia is headed by a bunch low-IQ-no-moral scums, for whom riding a moral highhorse,whacking their fingers to China , having the cake and eat it are the norms.


China shouldn't reward Australia with FTA, but show the real place it belongs instead .

 

[Beidou2020]

China shoud not , and must not, have FTA with Australia.

Australia is an Amercian colony headed by a bunch low moral scums for whom having the cake and eat it is the norm.

Australia thinks they are some massive globally important country on par with US, China and Russia

Australia is irrelevant in the world, utterly irrelevant.

 

[xunzi]

I don't see the real motivation for a FTP with Australia.

 

[Speeder 2]

Australia thinks they are some massive globally important country on par with US, China and Russia

Australia is irrelevant in the world, utterly irrelevant.

You're right that AUS has become more and more delusional as they has become richer and richer helped single-handedly by the Chinese money.

This is particularly insulting, because what they do is to rub salts to the Chinese wound while claiming they are sort of saint.


In fact Australia has 2 camps:

1. represented by the current cabnet -

Tony Abbott, Julie Bishops etc, who are in fact opportunistic low IQ idiots and no moral scums, because at one hand they want Amercian defence and go an extra mile to be the lapdog of re-militarised Japan with curbing China's rise as its sole purpose. It has nothing to do with the natural need of Australia's self defence. Anyone with even half a brain sees that CHina's rise has immensely benefitted AUS economically and would keep doing so. On the other hand, they whack fingers at China publicly while send secret missions to China to say "sorry" in the hope of getting free Chinese money to make them richer - what this FTA is all about.

Therefore their scum-like double-deal behaviours are both low IQ and No moral.

This is backed by the large majority of Australia's strategic thinktanks.


2. the 2nd camp. Well, actually there is no a 2nd camp.

The closest thing of the 2nd camp is an influential Australian thinktank analyst prof. Hugh White . There are many youtube vids on his thoughts in the recent years. He publishes most of his articles on a weekingly basis in Asutralia's leading thinktank - lowry institiute webiste. He is relatively "the best strategic brain" that Australia could offer.

However, even Hugh White could not and will not recognise (perhaps because of both his lack of proper education on Chinese history, Japanese history, asian geopolitics and his lower IQ compared to the Chinese) the real magnitude, the depth, and inevitability of China's rise in relation to US's decline. He did recognise it a bit, but far short of enough. Perhaps more imporantly his complete ignorance about Abe Shinzo's Japan makes him beleiving that militarily co-coperating with Japan by purchasing its subs are somehow good for long-term Australia national interests. This makes him almost the 1st camp in essence. Several of the previous PMs of AUS could also belong to the 2nd camp. But they are out and old and have little influence.

Overseas ethnic Chinese Australians could represent 99% of the 2nd camp. The problems of them however, are

A. they are apolotical and have no much political voices, and

B. many of them are the families of corrupted Chinese officials in China who get rich by stealing China's public fund and move to AUS for the real estates, so these scumbags don't give a f@$k on either China or AUS but their own bank accounts.

Obviously China's strategic thinktanks are largely low IQ (albeit still with higher IQ than Aus) due to corruptions, too.

Otherwise there could have been no serious talk of FTA with Aus.

AUS's long term position is clear as I analysised above.

What Chinese govt should do, as any competent and responsible Chinese would do, is to delay the FTA.

China just can not keep rewarding hence indirectly encouraging these kinds of double-deal scumbag behavours, many of these kind of foolish hard lessons should have already been learned from China's recent hisotry in warm-heartedly dealing with North Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, and increasingly India's Modi and Japan's Abe these days. History shows that for the uncivilised bunch like most of Australian elites, etc, carrots can only become carrots and sweet when acompanied by a thick stick.

 

[Beidou2020]

You're right that AUS has become more and more delusional as they has become richer and richer helped single-handedly by the Chinese money.

This is particularly insulting, because what they do is to rub salts to the Chinese wound while claiming they are sort of saint.


In fact Australia has 2 camps:

1. represented by the current cabnet -

Tony Abbott, Julie Bishops etc, who are in fact opportunistic low IQ idiots and no moral scums, because at one hand they want Amercian defence and go an extra mile to be the lapdog of re-militarised Japan with curbing China's rise as its sole purpose. It has nothing to do with the natural need of Australia's self defence. Anyone with even half a brain sees that CHina's rise has immensely benefitted AUS economically and would keep doing so. On the other hand, they whack fingers at China publicly while send secret missions to China to say "sorry" in the hope of getting free Chinese money to make them richer - what this FTA is all about.

Therefore their scum-like double-deal behaviours are both low IQ and No moral.

This is backed by the large majority of Australia's strategic thinktanks.


2. the 2nd camp. Well, actually there is not a 2nd camp.

The closest thing of the 2nd camp is a influential Australian thinktank analyst prof. Hugh White . There are many youtube vids on his thoughts in the recent years. He publishes most of his articles on a weekingly basis in Asutralia's leading thinktank - lowry institiute webiste. He is relatively "the best strategic brain" that Australia could offer.

However, even Hugh White could not and will not recognise (perhaps because of both his lack of proper education on Chinese history, Japanese history, asian geopolitics and his lower IQ compared to the Chinese) the real magnitude, the depth, and inevitability of China's rise in relation to US's decline. He did recognise it a bit, but far short of enough. Perhaps more imporantly his complete ignorance about Abe Shinzo's Japan makes him beleiving that militarily co-coperating with Japan by purchasing its subs are somehow good for long-term Australia national interests. This makes him almost the 1st camp in essence.

Overseas ethnic Chinese Australians could represent 99% of the 2nd camp. The problems of them however, are

A. they are apolotical and have no much political voices, and

B. many of them are the families of corrupted Chinese officials in China who get rich by stealing China's public fund and move to AUS for the real estates, so these scams don't give a f@$k on either China or AUS but their own bank accounts.

Obviously China's strategic thinktanks are largely low IQ (albeit still with higher IQ than Aus) due to corruptions, too.

Otherwise there could have been no serious talk of FTA with Aus.

AUS's long term position is clear as I analysised above.

What China should be, as any competent and responsible Chines would believe, is to delay the FTA.

China just can not reward hence indirectly encourage these kinds of double-deal scum behavours, many of these kind of foolish hard lessons have already shown from China's recent hisotry in dealing with North Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, and increasingly Japan and India these days.

Totally agree with you.
Australians want Chinese money but want to form alliances to counter China. It was in Australia that Obama announced the Asian 'pivot' and now Australia want to use Japan to counter China.

In a perfect world, Australia want a weak China so the West can maintain superiority. But because China is getting stronger, they reluctantly go with the trend and in the process grab Chinese money to get richer. Australia only exports iron ore and coal to China. Other exports are insignificant.

Except iron ore and coal, Australia provides nothing to China. Australia has no technology that China wants, Australian market is too small, Australian overseas investment is insignificant. Australia is a mickey mouse country pretending to be one of the big boys. They talk as if they are they are on par with America as a global power

Even Kevin Rudd, who speaks Mandarin said China must be contained. I've heard of many racist stories about Australians.

Here is proof:

 

[Speeder 2]

Totally agree with you.
Australians want Chinese money but want to form alliances to counter China. It was in Australia that Obama announced the Asian 'pivot' and now Australia want to use Japan to counter China.

In a perfect world, Australia want a weak China so the West can maintain superiority. But because China is getting stronger, they reluctantly go with the trend and in the process grab Chinese money to get richer. Australia only exports iron ore and coal to China. Other exports are insignificant.

Except iron ore and coal, Australia provides nothing to China. Australia has no technology that China wants, Australian market is too small, Australian overseas investment is insignificant. Australia is a mickey mouse country pretending to be one of the big boys. They talk as if they are they are on par with America as a global power

Even Kevin Rudd, who speaks Mandarin said China must be contained. I've heard of many racist stories about Australians.

Here is proof:

Agreed.

Except it's not "Aus want to use Japan to curb China", but the Australian elites think that they could do so but in reality and in the long run low IQ Australian elites will be played by relatively high IQ Japan to be Japan's b!tch.

Australian thinktanks are quite delusional. They don't know the history hence doomed. Japan in a real world, in contrary to geographically huge China, DOES have long term territorial ambitions on Australian soils and if they don't have it now they will have it in due time.

This is because that Japan is a small island-country with a huge population based on an unstable earthquake zone. The principle reason of Japanese historic invasions of Korea, and more recently in WWII of China and Darwin, Sidney of Australia, was to move to a mainland for a much better survival opportunity. It has alway been a Janpnese dream whenever they became prosperious historically speaking. Australia has been played by Abe in fact by being Ab's dog. Ths security pact with Japan will open a floodgate to Australia legally when a real worldwide war brews. At a time, no one, neither selfish USA nor calm China, wil help. Japan could cololise Australia quite easily and move most of its population out of that tiny earthquack zone, realising its historic dream. Australia is now selling the rope to Japan, oh I am sorry, in fact stupid beyond charts Australia is now financing Japan's military (by buying subs and defence pact, can anyone with IQ>90 believes it? ) to make that rope, that will be used to hang itself in the long run. That's why I said that Australian thinktanks are low IQ.

As for Australian society's racist attitutes towards the Chinese, on a lighter note i'd take it as a badge of honour instead, what can you expect from this low IQ, no moral and uncivilised bunch?

 

[Beidou2020]

Agreed.

Except it's not "Aus want to use Japan to curb China", but the Australian elites think that they could do so but in reality and in the long run low IQ Australian elites will be played by relatively high IQ Japan to be Japan's b!tch.

Australian thinktanks are quite delusional. They don't know the history hence doomed. Japan in a real world, in contrary to geographically huge China, DOES have long term territorial ambitions on Australian soils and if they don't have it now they will have it in due time.

This is because that Japan is a small island-country with a huge population based on an unstable earthquake zone. The principle reason of Japanese historic invasions of Korea, and more recently in WWII of China and Darwin, Sidney of Australia, was to move to a mainland for a much better survival opportunity. It has alway been a Janpnese dream whenever they became prosperious historically speaking. Australia has been played by Abe in fact by being Ab's dog. Ths security pact with Japan will open a floodgate to Australia legally when a real worldwide war brews. At a time, no one, neither selfish USA nor calm China, wil help. Japan could cololise Australia quite easily and move most of its population out of that tiny earthquack zone, realising its historic dream. Australia is now selling the rope to Japan that will be used to hang itself in the long run. That's why I said that Australian thinktanks are low IQ.

As for Australian society's racist attitutes towards the Chinese, what can you expect from this low IQ, no moral and uncivilised bunch?

Australia also fears China-Indonesia becoming close.

Australians are actually British criminals exported out of Britain.

 

[55100864]

The only thing china care about Australia is uranium，but the aussies have no idea, they think we really depend on their coal and natural gas.
There were some problem regard to china-australia natural gas contracts, China's natural gas is vastly unexplored, but after the anti-corruption campaign which will wipe out and reorganise all the inefficient SOE to eliminate the inter-provincial barrier regard to the pipe line projects, and some private companies that have shown the capability will definitely be allowed to play some roles in the future, many private companies are hungry to gain a piece of pie.

 

[Speeder 2]

Another thing:

China can get more iron ore and coal from Brazil for the time being with a slightly higher prices, and definitely Mongolia and Siberia in the near future - must have huge deposits there. For dairy products and other minerals China can start getting more from South America. So actually Australia holds no cards at all in a possible showndown.

Australia also fears China-Indonesia becoming close.

Australians are actually British criminals exported out of Britain.

Mostly inheritable human DNA is some rather powerful stuff.

The only thing china care about Australia is uranium，but the aussies have no idea, they think we really depend on their coal and natural gas.
There were some problem regard to china-australia natural gas contracts, China's natural gas is vastly unexplored, but after the anti-corruption campaign which will wipe out and reorganise all the inefficient SOE to eliminate the inter-provincial barrier regard to the pipe line projects, and some private companies that have shown the capability will definitely be allowed to play some roles in the future, many private companies are hungry to gain a piece of pie.

Uranium could be, but there're other uranuim deposits in other places too. It may cause some incoveniences for China, but without China, AUS economy will be dead, guranteed. Imagine what it would be like from USD 50,000 per cap dropping to USD 20,000 per cap overnight? Bluffing AUS has no card.

 

[Beidou2020]

The only thing china care about Australia is uranium，but the aussies have no idea, they think we really depend on their coal and natural gas.
There were some problem regard to china-australia natural gas contracts, China's natural gas is vastly unexplored, but after the anti-corruption campaign which will wipe out and reorganise all the inefficient SOE to eliminate the inter-provincial barrier regard to the pipe line projects, and some private companies that have shown the capability will definitely be allowed to play some roles in the future, many private companies are hungry to gain a piece of pie.

China has enormous natural gas potential. Conventional natural gas, offshore natural gas and shale gas can fully supply China with natural gas demand.

Kazakstan is the biggest uranium producer. China can get uranium from Kazakstan.

Even coal, China has many alternatives.

Only major export of Australia to China is iron ore.

 

[Jlaw]

The only thing china care about Australia is uranium，but the aussies have no idea, they think we really depend on their coal and natural gas.
There were some problem regard to china-australia natural gas contracts, China's natural gas is vastly unexplored, but after the anti-corruption campaign which will wipe out and reorganise all the inefficient SOE to eliminate the inter-provincial barrier regard to the pipe line projects, and some private companies that have shown the capability will definitely be allowed to play some roles in the future, many private companies are hungry to gain a piece of pie.

but will they sell it to China if US interfere ?

 

[Raphael]

The closest thing of the 2nd camp is an influential Australian thinktank analyst prof. Hugh White . There are many youtube vids on his thoughts in the recent years. He publishes most of his articles on a weekingly basis in Asutralia's leading thinktank - lowry institiute webiste. He is relatively "the best strategic brain" that Australia could offer.

However, even Hugh White could not and will not recognise (perhaps because of both his lack of proper education on Chinese history, Japanese history, asian geopolitics and his lower IQ compared to the Chinese) the real magnitude, the depth, and inevitability of China's rise in relation to US's decline. He did recognise it a bit, but far short of enough. Perhaps more imporantly his complete ignorance about Abe Shinzo's Japan makes him beleiving that militarily co-coperating with Japan by purchasing its subs are somehow good for long-term Australia national interests. This makes him almost the 1st camp in essence. Several of the previous PMs of AUS could also belong to the 2nd camp. But they are out and old and have little influence.

I don't know what to think about Hugh White. On one hand, he seems to be a balanced and thoughful thinker. On the other hand, the thinktanks that he manages or has significant influence upon (ASPI, Lowy Institute) are totally dominated by neocon, warmongering voices. Why hasn't White curbed these radicals and extremists, and restored some editorial balance to those thinktanks? It could very well be that he's playing a good cop-bad cop routine. In that sense, he would be very similar to Kevin Rudd, whom everyone thought was going to be a "China-hand", but turned out to be the same old neocon puppet-slave as his predecessors.

Anyway, no matter how intransigent Australian foreign policy has been, I still think this FTA is a good thing. It means we can buy Australian minerals and uranium cheaper. If Australia continues its insolence, then we can punish them by stopping our purchases - most of our orders come from SOEs, so it will be easy to cut the flow, and there's no need to impose laws on private firms to stop buying that would violate the terms of the FTA. And Australian manufacturing is absolutely no threat to our own, so no danger there.

Anyway, this FTA was the only thing Abbott was good for. After this is done, he needs to either GTFO or reshuffle his cabinet so a more competent team comes on stage.

 

[aliaselin]

We should pay more attention to FTA talks with Brazil and Argentine

 

[DoTell]

I get it that Australia aligns itself with the west. They are the descendants of the British. Their mentality is somewhat expected. But that shouldn't stop us from doing business with them. In terms of country's power both economically and militarily we are in a different league. We should have the confidence that we can do business with anyone, especially resource rich countries like Australia. Sure Brazil is a good alternative. But more options are always better. Look at the big picture. Any trade agreement, by definition, will bring certain benefits to both sides. The more countries we have trade agreement with the better it is for us.