Attack on Gurudwara Sahib at Derby, suspect arrested by UK

[padamchen]

again, it's your made up world.
You can do whatever you want with it.
I am just trying to follow your logic.

So it does seem like cracks are forming.
If you want to lump Iranians with you since your comment makes it clear that you think they are same, then should you also not lump Pakistanis with Indians? Our ancestors were Hindus and Buddhists after all?

It's almost like you didn't think this idea through and its more of an emotional and childish reaction to perceived slights that happened hundreds or thousands of years ago.

Of course Iranian Persians and us are the same.

Of course Pakistanis and Indians are the same.

The basic difference in both is the key new ingredient.

My theory is sound.

It's not a comfortable one for you understandably. Which is the genesis of ad hominems.

But that's ok. This is the internet.

 

[Brar]

How many sikh modi supporters came to howdy modi in US? And how many were outside protesting? lol in fact pakistanis and sikhs were protesting outside the venue.

Thats means sikhs are against the modi goventment againt bigotry, that does not mean sikhs are pro pakistan and anti india. There are many many indians in india who are against modi, that does not make them anti india. Heck even the whole congress party are totally against Modi, by your logic they to are pakistani side?

You are seing things in real live, not understanding the dynamics, and then concluding based on your own biases.

 

[Kabira]

But thats the thing, they really arent. Its only on this forum that they have this almost delusional world view. They think one kartarpur has won over sikhs to the point that they would prefer pakistan over india.

And if anybody try to say anything different, like i did, then suddenly the are discredited.

For them Sidhu is a real sikh for being friendly to pakistan, while the CM of Punjab is a fake one for being sceptical.

Never once have they stopped to think if india had any doubt about where the sikhs loyality is, why would the be recruted i key mulitary positions.

The weired dude said that every sikh he met in europe was anti india, but loved pakistan. In what reeality does he live. Like sikhs in real life walk around "oh hello! Are you a pakistani? Yes? I love you! And i hate indians!" Geez!


Yeah, sure. Oversea sikhs have their grievances towards the indian state. Them being on pakistani side is your false conclusion based on that.

Its not out fault that 99% of sikhs one come across in neutral online platforms are khalistanis. Especially jatt sikhs living in Canada, UK etc Chamar and baniya sikhs are with India. You cannot write even punjabi. Hindutva sikh is oxymoron.

 

[Rusty]

Of course Iranian Persians and us are the same.

Of course Pakistanis and Indians are the same.

The basic difference in both is the key new ingredient.

My theory is sound.

It's not a comfortable one for you understandably. Which is the genesis of ad hominems.

But that's ok. This is the internet.

Okay lets break it down then.

People need to pay for past evils:
Zoroastrians have been pretty evil in the past, but since modern Iran has not paid for any Zoroastrian evils, we need to get them, as well as the parsi diaspora to pay.
how do you propose they pay? It sounds like you want either money or blood.
Either way, will you offer yours for the sake of your own theory?
(of course you can just lie and say "sure" since you know no one will ever take your money or life from you based on this nonsense)

Your theory is sound like a super villein's theory is sound.
It's almost cartoonishly bad, which is why I am having so much fun with it.

 

[Kabira]

Okay lets break it down then.

People need to pay for past evils:
Zoroastrians have been pretty evil in the past, but since modern Iran has not paid for any Zoroastrian evils, we need to get them, as well as the parsi diaspora to pay.
how do you propose they pay? It sounds like you want either money or blood.
Either way, will you offer yours for the sake of your own theory?
(of course you can just lie and say "sure" since you know no one will ever take your money or life from you based on this nonsense)

Your theory is sound like a super villein's theory is sound.
It's almost cartoonishly bad, which is why I am having so much fun with it.

Indian Parsis will pay with extinction of their now hindunized religion and blood with in few decades.

 

[padamchen]

Okay lets break it down then.

People need to pay for past evils:
Zoroastrians have been pretty evil in the past, but since modern Iran has not paid for any Zoroastrian evils, we need to get them, as well as the parsi diaspora to pay.
how do you propose they pay? It sounds like you want either money or blood.
Either way, will you offer yours for the sake of your own theory?
(of course you can just lie and say "sure" since you know no one will ever take your money or life from you based on this nonsense)

Your theory is sound like a super villein's theory is sound.
It's almost cartoonishly bad, which is why I am having so much fun with it.

Iranians have been paying for 1400 years.

Subcontinent Muslims for about 400.

You could say before that the Hindus paid.

Either way this world has a way of exacting quid pro quo.

Which is what my theory is about in the modern sphere.

So coming back to the present.

If you come from a secular country you enjoy secular rights.

If you come fr.a country that oppresses minorities of a certain faith, then nations where that faith is in a position of power should mete the same out to you.

It's only fair.

And is exactly what leaders like Trump have begun verbalizing and acting upon.

This trend will only get more entrenched and spread wider in the years to come.

 

[Hamza913]

Silly

 

[Rusty]

Iranians have been paying for 1400 years.

Subcontinent Muslims for about 400.

You could say before that the Hindus paid.

Either way this world has a way of exacting quid pro quo.

Which is what my theory is about in the modern sphere.

So coming back to the present.

If you come from a secular country you enjoy secular rights.

If you come fr.a country that oppresses minorities of a certain faith, then nations where that faith is in a position of power should mete the same out to you.

It's only fair.

And is exactly what leaders like Trump have begun verbalizing and acting upon.

This trend will only get more entrenched and spread wider in the years to come.

So tell me, how has Persia paid for the sins of Zoroastrians?
Please be specific.

The rest is just too funny and I have already addressed it previously.

 

[padamchen]

So tell me, how has Persia paid for the sins of Zoroastrians?
Please be specific.

The rest is just too funny and I have already addressed it previously.

The Iranians lost their soul and were tied to the yoke of a perceived inferior race (that's how Arabs are looked at).

We lost our land.

 

[Brar]

Its not out fault that 99% of sikhs one come across in neutral online platforms are khalistanis. Especially jatt sikhs living in Canada, UK etc Chamar and baniya sikhs are with India. You cannot write even punjabi. Hindutva sikh is oxymoron.

You write punjabi in gurmukhi script. Writing punjabi sounds in roman alphabet is not writing punjabi. Me reacting when someone says sikhs are pro pakistan and anit india does not make me a hindutva. And you cannot base your facts on your experiences from social media.

 

[Rusty]

The Iranians lost their soul and were tied to the yoke of a perceived inferior race (that's how Arabs are looked at).

We lost our land.

Interesting mix of nationalism, racism and historic revisionism.

Last I checked, Iranians still speak Persian, have Persian customs and call themselves Persians. How do you "loose your land" when you are still there?

More importantly, according to your "theory," Justice has been served. Zoroastrians have now paid the price for their evils and all is fine in the world.

So why are you so wound up?
Even by your own "theory" you have no right to be angry.

 

[padamchen]

Interesting mix of nationalism, racism and historic revisionism.

Last I checked, Iranians still speak Persian, have Persian customs and call themselves Persians. How do you "loose your land" when you are still there?

More importantly, according to your "theory," Justice has been served. Zoroastrians have now paid the price for their evils and all is fine in the world.

So why are you so wound up?
Even by your own "theory" you have no right to be angry.

There is a limit to where I will indulge your deflection.

The reality of the world supports my proposed paradigm.

What gives me satisfaction is twofold:

1) I get to rub your nose in it

2) I sense the fear

 

[Rusty]

There is a limit to where I will indulge your deflection.

The reality of the world supports my proposed paradigm.

What gives me satisfaction is twofold:

1) I get to rub your nose in it

2) I sense the fear

Not a single thing you said in the quoted reply is based in reality.
But what I find hilarious is that I successfully lead you to the logical conclusion of your silly "theory" and you had the exact reaction I thought you would.

Absolute Indignation.

I don't expect you to have learned what I was hoping you would learn from this experience, but it will hopefully teach others how silly this thought process is and how easy it is to turn it against people who are proponents of it.

Also notice how angry mr. Padamachen got when it was his people who were on the receiving end of this silly theory, that is a human reaction. Problem is, he does not consider his victims to be human so he does not consider their reaction to be of equal value.

 

[ARMalik]

For the past few months, these little indian Lalu Prasads have been deliberately doing such actions against Sikhs every and spreading fake news about Sikhs. Even a 2-year old knows why these little creepy indians are doing this. I hope the Sikh community do not fall for such dramas and is aware of these crafty and devious games these little sneaky indians play.

 

[padamchen]

Not a single thing you said in the quoted reply is based in reality.
But what I find hilarious is that I successfully lead you to the logical conclusion of your silly "theory" and you had the exact reaction I thought you would.

Absolute Indignation.

I don't expect you to have learned what I was hoping you would learn from this experience, but it will hopefully teach others how silly this thought process is and how easy it is to turn it against people who are proponents of it.

Also notice how angry mr. Padamachen got when it was his people who were on the receiving end of this silly theory, that is a human reaction. Problem is, he does not consider his victims to be human so he does not consider their reaction to be of equal value.

As I said, you are deflecting.

I was intellectually honest enough to indulge briefly your false equivalence with zero details on the supposed ills and wrongs Persians were paying for.

But deflection is only indulged on at the terms of the person it is addressed to. And not the person indulging in that tactic.

The current topic is a fine example of the incompatibility of those coming from non secular nation states to liberal secular western countries and both enjoying secular rights as minorities in these countries as well as continuing to indulge in their ingrained hatred towards others even on foreign soil.

This is the perfect example of that and is why I specifically tagged you here.

There is a reason why the world recognises such toxic elements as coming from certain pockets.

Bombings.

Knifings.

Grooming.

Attacks on religious places.

General thuggery and gang violence.

Conspicuous lack of integration of dress and language and customs.

No go areas and ghettoization.

Hate speech by clerics in mosques on the white mans soil

Calls for Sharia

Demonstrating against wars being fought by the white man against Muslim nations elsewhere

The list grows. As does the sentiment in the indigenous population.