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At last, a Pak official voice absolves Raw

The article is misleading. No one in Pakistan's government nor opposition benches blamed India. Not even the smaller hardcore parties did.

However, I do think it is a complete failure on the governments part to make it clear to people that India was not involved. It is a crying Shame and a disgrace that India has become a boogey man in Pakistan, and has become just as accusing as India. Blaming India for this is absolutely ignorant. We know who did it, fazlullah and his band of child murderers have been bragging about it for days. Stop trying to lift the blame from them and placing it on India.

India may be backing the TTP, but this holds very little strategic sense. I highly doubt that India backed this somehow. This is the same opinion I shared during the Mumbai attack, it was terrorists, nothing more.
 
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It's been 6 days since peshawar massacre. If Pakistan has any proofs they should produce on the international forum and create pressure on India if India is involved.


How much pressure were you able to put onto Pakistan after 26/11??? How much pressure was the US able to put onto the Taliban regime when it threatened to attack the Afghanistan unless OBL was handed over to the US immediately post 9/11??

The answer is 0. Perpetrators and sponsors of terrorism do their own calculations and think "who is going to get into a war for a few hundred or thousand dead". That mentality is applied here as well. Everyone has a VERY good knowledge of who really sponsors terrorism in Pakistan due to their 50+ "consulates" on the outstrip borders in the remote mountainous regions bordering Pakistan. But no one's going to war over a few hundred dead. Unfortunately, that's a SAD reality.

However, back to the example on top, the Al-qaeda regime was wrong about the US. The US WILL go to war to protect its citizens from future attacks. And the result is that even after a decade long war, we are still sitting in Afghanistan to protect American interests, even after many across the globe (and on this very forum) thought the US was losing or was tired and worn out,etc, etc. Well we are still there, strong and ensuring no terrorism threat arises from that area. And we are providing protection for American interests. And that won't change, even after 20 or 50 years.

So thee stupid terrorists aren't always smart to calculate the response, these bastar*ds are JUST dumb and barbaric and don't care about human lives.

Now applying the same US type of a "pursuit" logic here, Pakistan and India may not go to war on this, BUT, Pakistan will hot pursuit these Talibastar*ds into Afghanistan if need be. They've made it abundantly clear to the Afghan leadership this week.

I hope that this evil of terrorism can be considered a common national security enemy for India, Pakistan and Afghanistan and they can mutually work to assure cross border terrorism will be rooted out jointly from this region. This is the only solution that works for everyone and provides greater stability and protection to hundreds of millions of poor lives in this region.
 
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relax jawan , dont be so sure ... the links might lead you to some consulates in Afghanistan ...

I am quite sure, I dont base my analysis on chachas and phuppas and drawing room talks. The Indian involvement has been tell tale WHERE it has been and NOT in this case.

Its so sad. . . that, GEO Network still gowing bigger and bigger into support of India.

What does the selling out of GEO have to do with Sartaj Aziz?
 
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@Oscar

Now that Pakistan is going after the Taliban do you think that
Pakistan has arrived at a firm conclusion that these strategic assets are
doing more harm in the PRESENT than their purported FUTURE Utility against India

Secondly what intrigues me is that these Taliban have NOT
made any deal with Pakistan to spare them and in return they storm the LOC for Pakistan Army :p:
 
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Then what would u say abt intel report just 4 days before dec 16 attack?

And WHAT did the intel report say?
Do you have the summary of it? from official press releases or something ?
Did it specifically mention India giving money/planning/chocolates for this attack?
 
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I am quite sure, I dont base my analysis on chachas and phuppas and drawing room talks. The Indian involvement has been tell tale WHERE it has been and NOT in this case.



What does the selling out of GEO have to do with Sartaj Aziz?

well obviously i dont expect you to believe in chacha and phuppa's conversation .. but just like i cant prove any Indian involvement in this act , you cant prove that they are not involve either .... or can you ??
 
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RAW has NOTHING to do with the PESHAWAR attack.

may be or may be not
There was time when nobody trusted that Beitulla Mehsood was dictated by Indian intelligence from Afghanistan and for Pakistanis he was religious extremists.
 
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I am quite sure, I dont base my analysis on chachas and phuppas and drawing room talks. The Indian involvement has been tell tale WHERE it has been and NOT in this case.
What does the selling out of GEO have to do with Sartaj Aziz?
On what basis do you believe that India ever backed Talibitch. Please provide supporting proofs and links if you have any. (Please don't if it is anything like Horus's thread yesterday - India support Talib because Uncle didn't sell us Apache.)
 
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well obviously i dont expect you to believe in chacha and phuppa's conversation .. but just like i cant prove any Indian involvement in this act , you cant prove that they are not involve either .... or can you ??

Actually we can. This attack had the hallmarks of a revenge attack for the deaths caused by the Army operation in the FATA area. The Tangos are hurting and they were not able to get the message through that they are without hitting a soft target.

Your post however, is based on a rather flawed ideal that because you heard someone tell you that a pig flew hence you are sure that pigs fly even though so far we have not seen one do so.
 
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Actually we can. This attack had the hallmarks of a revenge attack for the deaths caused by the Army operation in the FATA area. The Tangos are hurting and they were not able to get the message through that they are without hitting a soft target.

Your post however, is based on a rather flawed ideal that because you heard someone tell you that a pig flew hence you are sure that pigs fly even though so far we have not seen one do so.

well first , i dont speak here what i hear ... and as far as my gathering is concern , we dont believe that pig can fly :D
and ok i agree that its a act of retaliation , than please tell us , that why our army and establishment keep telling us that Indians and RA&W is funding them , Pakistan army is conducting operation in Fata since years now , and we are child killers for taliban since lal masjid operation , so why exactly they choose to attack a school now ? they have attack to kids in past , what my point is that , overall TTP is getting their funds from somewhere, i am sure they cant fight war with some broken piggy banks ..
 
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may be or may be not
There was time when nobody trusted that Beitulla Mehsood was dictated by Indian intelligence from Afghanistan and for Pakistanis he was religious extremists.

Dont remember that time, Ill direct you to my post as to how these assets are controlled and kept.

The issue is the way these wars are now fought. I gave the ISIS example precisely as it is the FIRST public demonstration of how proxy wars and terrorism is backed and used on an almost freelance basis by anyone who needs to for an agenda.

What started off as an attempt by the Saudis and Israelis each with their own independent agenda to remove an Iranian backed regime in Syria, to take an example closer to your home.. take the recent Indian elections.. there are normal regular folk without any ideas of Akhand Bharat who supported NaMo in his election because they saw the potential for economic uplift, and then there are those who supported him because they wanted a temple at the site of the Babri mosque.. it is very likely that these two parties would normally not associate themselves with each other, but because the means would fulfil both their demands they joined hands.
The same way the Israelis and the Saudis joined in with the Rebels to achieve a goal they both found beneficial. The Saudis have the most potent strain of the terror virus stored away in their vaults(which ironically they've spent years on ensuring does not effect their own society as much) and they had the funds to push it in. Since the removal of Assad favours most of the GCCs agenda of having Iran out of the mix.. they all pitched in. The US finds out and decides to take over from Israel in providing the funds in this free for all against Iran. On the ground, you have the basic idea of rebels against Assad but as such its just a huge petri dish with each trying their brand of killer virus to see what kills Assad. Lo and Behold, just as with all viruses, it left the dish..and backfired..but the important point to note was the petri dish.. in this case the guinea pig of Syria and eventually Iran. So anyone who had any beef with Iran, found this nice open wound with semi-controllable viruses teeming in it, all willing to do the work for a few thousand dollars. To a state looking to settle scores or press its interests against another state.. this is the proverbial gold mine; a colony of multiple use mercenaries all willing to die for a very modest investment.

Take that same mirror and apply it to Pakistan and the TTP. Here is an opportunity(that India did not create) of anti-state elements in Pakistan(who are always on the lookout for funds and training) that are willing to do some work(via Afghan mediators) for a few thousand dollars. ANY , and I mean ANY smart state facing a neighbour like Pakistan would NEVER leave this opportunity be regardless of any pacifist ideals they may have held(hardly so considering the Indian reprisal attempts in the early 90s). In this case however, there is a massive need to avenge a wound called 26/11.. or is it?
IMHO, the issue may have a little sentiment with 26/11 but has more to do with the aforementioned need to keep Pakistan out as a border threat, out of the Kashmir issue.. and embroiled in its own survival with its own cancer where it just barely lives on.. and essentially ends up being a non-issue to India.

Source: Peshawar Massacre - TTP kills hundreds of school kids (Avoid graphic pics/vids) | Page 229

@Oscar

Now that Pakistan is going after the Taliban do you think that
Pakistan has arrived at a firm conclusion that these strategic assets are
doing more harm in the PRESENT than their purported FUTURE Utility against India

Secondly what intrigues me is that these Taliban have NOT
made any deal with Pakistan to spare them and in return they storm the LOC for Pakistan Army :p:

The first part: The Pakistan Military is going after all Taliban as it has its own understanding on how things need to be done. The recent cool down with Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif was the result of a drubbing by the COAS to get their affairs in order. So, two things have happened.. the PA has decided that the Afghan front has to be tackled with all but the most old and compliant of assets within the Haqqani network being kept safe. The Punjab militant network will also be hit and curtailed via tertiary handler links. The issue however is that having maintained these "links", they cannot be shut down overnight.. not because they are important, but because just as with a viper's pit.. you cannot withdraw your hand suddenly or as lessons have shown.. the snakes will bite the hand in the nest.

Your second part is based on the wrongful assumption that the Taliban the PA is fighting are the EXACT same organization that allegedly sends those men across the LoC.

well first , i dont speak here what i hear ... and as far as my gathering is concern , we dont believe that pig can fly :D
and ok i agree that its a act of retaliation , than please tell us , that why our army and establishment keep telling us that Indians and RA&W is funding them , Pakistan army is conducting operation in Fata since years now , and we are child killers for taliban since lal masjid operation , so why exactly they choose to attack a school now ? they have attack to kids in past , what my point is that , overall TTP is getting their funds from somewhere, i am sure they cant fight war with some broken piggy banks ..

read this post.
 
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Then what would u say abt intel report just 4 days before dec 16 attack?

Monsieur, if RAW had anything to do with this attack or with TTP, trust me that it would have been blamed by the Pakistani authorities by now. How foolish would Government of Pakistan be, to let this one slide? Simply put, there is very weak to no evidence of foreign agencies involvement behind this madness caused by religious overdose. Look at the radicalization and extremism in your country, look at how Zakat is misused, look at the criminal activities of extremists in the society, look at the arms and ammunition available freely in Pakistan, look at the terrorists supporters/sympathasizers present even on PDF, even if a minority here. Come on, its getting old and boring.

well obviously i dont expect you to believe in chacha and phuppa's conversation .. but just like i cant prove any Indian involvement in this act , you cant prove that they are not involve either .... or can you ??

But then, under the "burden of proof" he doesn't even require to :D
 
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Dont remember that time, Ill direct you to my post as to how these assets are controlled and kept.

The issue is the way these wars are now fought. I gave the ISIS example precisely as it is the FIRST public demonstration of how proxy wars and terrorism is backed and used on an almost freelance basis by anyone who needs to for an agenda.

What started off as an attempt by the Saudis and Israelis each with their own independent agenda to remove an Iranian backed regime in Syria, to take an example closer to your home.. take the recent Indian elections.. there are normal regular folk without any ideas of Akhand Bharat who supported NaMo in his election because they saw the potential for economic uplift, and then there are those who supported him because they wanted a temple at the site of the Babri mosque.. it is very likely that these two parties would normally not associate themselves with each other, but because the means would fulfil both their demands they joined hands.
The same way the Israelis and the Saudis joined in with the Rebels to achieve a goal they both found beneficial. The Saudis have the most potent strain of the terror virus stored away in their vaults(which ironically they've spent years on ensuring does not effect their own society as much) and they had the funds to push it in. Since the removal of Assad favours most of the GCCs agenda of having Iran out of the mix.. they all pitched in. The US finds out and decides to take over from Israel in providing the funds in this free for all against Iran. On the ground, you have the basic idea of rebels against Assad but as such its just a huge petri dish with each trying their brand of killer virus to see what kills Assad. Lo and Behold, just as with all viruses, it left the dish..and backfired..but the important point to note was the petri dish.. in this case the guinea pig of Syria and eventually Iran. So anyone who had any beef with Iran, found this nice open wound with semi-controllable viruses teeming in it, all willing to do the work for a few thousand dollars. To a state looking to settle scores or press its interests against another state.. this is the proverbial gold mine; a colony of multiple use mercenaries all willing to die for a very modest investment.

Take that same mirror and apply it to Pakistan and the TTP. Here is an opportunity(that India did not create) of anti-state elements in Pakistan(who are always on the lookout for funds and training) that are willing to do some work(via Afghan mediators) for a few thousand dollars. ANY , and I mean ANY smart state facing a neighbour like Pakistan would NEVER leave this opportunity be regardless of any pacifist ideals they may have held(hardly so considering the Indian reprisal attempts in the early 90s). In this case however, there is a massive need to avenge a wound called 26/11.. or is it?
IMHO, the issue may have a little sentiment with 26/11 but has more to do with the aforementioned need to keep Pakistan out as a border threat, out of the Kashmir issue.. and embroiled in its own survival with its own cancer where it just barely lives on.. and essentially ends up being a non-issue to India.

Source: Peshawar Massacre - TTP kills hundreds of school kids (Avoid graphic pics/vids) | Page 229



The first part: The Pakistan Military is going after all Taliban as it has its own understanding on how things need to be done. The recent cool down with Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif was the result of a drubbing by the COAS to get their affairs in order. So, two things have happened.. the PA has decided that the Afghan front has to be tackled with all but the most old and compliant of assets within the Haqqani network being kept safe. The Punjab militant network will also be hit and curtailed via tertiary handler links. The issue however is that having maintained these "links", they cannot be shut down overnight.. not because they are important, but because just as with a viper's pit.. you cannot withdraw your hand suddenly or as lessons have shown.. the snakes will bite the hand in the nest.

Your second part is based on the wrongful assumption that the Taliban the PA is fighting are the EXACT same organization that allegedly sends those men across the LoC.



read this post.

the example you quote in this post is quite relevant, but exactly my point is , that no matter who created this filth , but question that they existed and increasing since they are born ... why and how ? someone is kept them feed , dont you think so ?? just israel and KSA is trying hard to take down Assad regime in Syria, because they have their own interest , this word Interest is very important at least in today world geopolitics , just like Israel dont even care about KSA and consider them as a threat now , for them Iran is bigger threat even Iran didint got same power which KSA has its hand on !! so lets go other way around , use proxies ...
why only Pakistan was always blamed to create and fed Taliban ? was is not CIA who send tons of dollars to them ? just because they snake you kept bite you doesn't mean that put off blame from your head , india is just a opportunity seeker and they got it .... " soonay pe Shohaga " they get the favorable regime in Afghanistan in face of Karzai ..
and in your own post you are saying any neighbor Pakistan will not leave such Opportunity , than what makes you think they will not leave this one ? they are funding them , funds are major issue that this WOT is alive till now ..
this particular incident , might be not important for india , but the dollar raining on TTP leadership sitting in their ditches , in Afghanistan , there was a time when religion was the source of motivation for this war, but now it becomes a business , a pure business , for either counties or weapon dealers .. its only depends how you see it ..

Monsieur, if RAW had anything to do with this attack or with TTP, trust me that it would have been blamed by the Pakistani authorities by now. How foolish would Government of Pakistan be, to let this one slide? Simply put, there is very weak to no evidence of foreign agencies involvement behind this madness caused by religious overdose. Look at the radicalization and extremism in your country, look at how Zakat is misused, look at the criminal activities of extremists in the society, look at the arms and ammunition available freely in Pakistan, look at the terrorists supporters/sympathasizers present even on PDF, even if a minority here. Come on, its getting old and boring.



But then, under the "burden of proof" he doesn't even require to :D

nor do i ?? humar kutta , kutta , aur Ocsar ka kutta tommy ? :D
well its not more about prove , because in such involvements proves are always in extinction :D
 
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what makes you think they will not leave this one ? they are funding them , funds are major issue that this WOT is alive till now ..
this particular incident , might be not important for india , but the dollar raining on TTP leadership sitting in their ditches , in Afghanistan , there was a time when religion was the source of motivation for this war, but now it becomes a business , a pure business , for either counties or weapon dealers .. its only depends how you see it ..

That is because the neighbour is not looking to create a united front for this effort. They would rather see us divided over the issue with IK lying on the road for talks, Mullah Fazlu threatening a strike unless Zarb-e-Azb slowed....and the military watching them grow.

The growth of these assets is irrelevant, think of a garden.. if we let weeds grow.. it wont matter who pours in the fertilizer if we selectively take out weeds while letting others be.

nor do i ?? humar kutta , kutta , aur Ocsar ka kutta tommy ?
I dont have a dog named tommy, I have four cats; Tibby, Kalu, Motu, Barfi..
Used to have a Lab named Ginger.
 
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