Assad and FSA to start political talks to reconcile and end killing in Syria

[Madali]

I agree partly here but the US and Israel did not have to do anything to turn Assad unpopular. When a leader does not know when to give up power and uses force against his own people just to stay in power he has crossed a great red line. I think there are better ways for Iran's power projection than to support a repressive regime in Syria. Its giving Iran a bad reputation as well as Hezbollah by supporting Bashar Al Assad in Syria. Bashar should know when it is time to give up power. Undemocratic regimes should go and pave the way for equal rights for all. It is a huge flaw in our muslim countries that we do not ensure an egalitarian united and equal nation and are under the control of arrogant mullahs.

In short I would even like a change of government in Iran as well. I do however support the foreign policy Iran has against the Americans and their evil work. That is something I surely appreciate.

Political decisions are difficult. Imagine that whenever there was a protest supported by foreign players, the government would step down. If this happened in every country, in only a decade, we would have chaos, because there are constant protests everywhere. In the Arab "Spring", there were protests in almost every country in the region. Imagine if they ALL stepped down. Now there will be a vacuum, and a fight between each party to become leaders of that country, so you have a few years of internal war, and then finally you have a top dog. Again, the losing side will protest, and the winning side will step down, and this will keep continuing.

Go to google news, and search for the keyword "protest".
Here is 2 minute research,
Protest in South Korea
Protest in Israel
Protest in USA
Protest in France
Protest in Philippines
Protest in Nigeria
Protest in Turkey
Protest in Greece
Protest in Afghanistan

These are protests in last few days.

Now imagine foreign players fund and arm these protests. And what should the governments of these countries do? Resign? That's 9 governments in 9 countries resigning.

 

[haviZsultan]

Political decisions are difficult. Imagine that whenever there was a protest supported by foreign players, the government would step down. If this happened in every country, in only a decade, we would have chaos, because there are constant protests everywhere. In the Arab "Spring", there were protests in almost every country in the region. Imagine if they ALL stepped down. Now there will be a vacuum, and a fight between each party to become leaders of that country, so you have a few years of internal war, and then finally you have a top dog. Again, the losing side will protest, and the winning side will step down, and this will keep continuing.

Go to google news, and search for the keyword "protest".
Here is 2 minute research,
Protest in South Korea
Protest in Israel
Protest in USA
Protest in France
Protest in Philippines
Protest in Nigeria
Protest in Turkey
Protest in Greece
Protest in Afghanistan

These are protests in last few days.

Now imagine foreign players fund and arm these protests. And what should the governments of these countries do? Resign? That's 9 governments in 9 countries resigning.

1) I think its also about the scale of the protests and 2) how you respond.

The scale of the protests in Syria was heavy or even if it was not Assad responded too harshly throwing more people into the hands of the FSA

Assad should have held elections immediately and been ready to step down from his position. He should not have begun killing his own people.

 

[Madali]

1) I think its also about the scale of the protests and 2) how you respond.

The scale of the protests in Syria was heavy or even if it was not Assad responded too harshly throwing more people into the hands of the FSA

Assad should have held elections immediately and been ready to step down from his position. He should not have begun killing his own people.

If foreign players did not get involve or demand the immediate refusal to negotiate with the current government, there could have been a more peaceful solution.

Under the initial pressures of the protests, Assad took several steps. There were reforms, changes to the constitution, and political prisons were pardoned.

If foreign regional players were honest about their intentions, they could have talked to the oppositions, made the two sides sit, and propose different solutions. I remember from early days. Qatar had a boner for becoming the new Muslim leader and they were funding groups left & right. They pulled Hamas away from Iran by making new deals, they supported Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, they supported anti-gadaffi groups in Libya, and they supported thugs in Syria. At first, their project seemed to be successful at every turn. Hamas was happy to become best friends with Qatar, Egypt was turning into MB, Gadaffi was killed like a street dog, and Syria was next. But after each of their action, everything started to fail. Libya became a hotbed for terrorism, the Egyptian army got rid of Morsi, Qatar got bored of Hamas, and Syria become to complicated for them. And what is Qatar doing now? Their project fail, and all they left in its place is ruins.

Several other countries had the same negative influence.

In the early days of the protests, countries like Qatar & Turkey were so happy with their projects in Libya & Egypt, that they thought they would reshape the whole middle east to how they want. They refused to talk to Assad. they refused to think of political solutions. they refused to encourage any transition period. Their only demand was "Assad should go, and then there should be talks".

 

[Aslan]

And what happens if you hang Assad and his children like a dog in the streets? Is that the preferred way? Would Syria's problems be resolved, and then Syria will be a pinnacle of justice and stability? Will that mean Syria in 2016 be better than Syria in 2010?

I don't care what happens to asad. But what is happening now he is one of the reasons for it.
And as far as things going back to normal are concerned. I can bet u the losing side will make sure that it never happens.

And by some miracle some how it does. So many external players including iran will make sure it doesn't stay stable.

Syria in 2010 was a volcano waiting for an opening.

When the whole things started it could have been avoided then and there. After all asad was in power for 15 and his family for 40 years. And people wanted change. I don't know if u would agree or disagree bUT iran is as culprit as anyone else for this mess.

 

[Madali]

One of the ways to understand current events objectively is to comb through past articles.

Look at this article from Bloomberg in April, 2011, which was just a few weeks after the start of the protest,

Syria Moves to Meet Protest Demands as Libyan Rebels Await Arms - Bloomberg Business

From the article, this is what Syria & Libya was moving towards,

"Syrian President Bashar al-Assad told his newly appointed cabinet that plans to lift the country’s 48-year-old state of emergency must be completed next week while in Libya rebels said they expected to receive heavy weapons in their battle to overthrow Muammar Qaddafi.

“We have to meet the daily needs of our people within our capabilities,” Assad said in remarks broadcast yesterday by state television during the first meeting of the cabinet. Syrians need to be protected from government actions against them, he said."

Syria was trying to move towards reform, while foreign players were PROUDLY and LOUDLY destabilizing Libya. Here is what Qatar was doing,

"Ali al-Tarhouni, head of economic and oil affairs for the Libyan Transitional Council, said in an interview in Doha, Qatar, that his country will be rid of Qaddafi “in a matter of weeks.” Al-Tarhouni said he is in Qatar seeking funding and that the rebels’ council is in preliminary talks with unidentified parties about support."

At that time no one was talking about Isis, so no one was hiding the arms given to the extremists. Again from Libya,

"Fighting continued in Libya, where the rebels expect to receive heavy weapons from outside the country. “God willing, heavy weapons will be received soon and we will take you to see them,” a spokesman for the rebels’ National Transitional Council, Abdul Hafiz Ghoga, said yesterday, declining to name any source of supply."

Can't you guys connect the dots?