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Asad Umar Exclusive Interview with PTI Social Media Team

facts & figures clearly suggests that imf programs have destroyed our economy. So logically, we should have avoided imf, come what may.
wrong..!!! facts and figures shows that we destroyed our econmy and than went to get "bailed out" from IMF which than stablized our econmies, when election is near we print money and screw ourself and the cycle is repeated

IMF didnt cause 1. 6.7% fiscal deficit, or 2. asked to keep our rupee artificially high when indian rupee at same time lost 20% or 3.asked to get disproportionately high foreign loans (on record Dar is heard saying that i returned 100 billion pakistani loan and took foreign loans and saved on interest from 6 to 4%, apparently the guy has no understanding on how the system works!) 4. or asked us to put refunds gap on exporters and destroy Faisalabad textile industry

IMF is loan shark, it will loan you and than ask you to get to do things to get loan back but the point where we have to go and take loan is our own doing..

its like gambler, who loss money goes to loan shark ask for loan and when loaner ask him to sell his car he blames him for it..why blame the loan guy, its you who gambled

this is fundamentally the point we need to understand, the polticians are using iMF i-as an excuse for there corruption

you do know that PML N literally printed out 800 billion rupees by using loss monetary policy in other words they injected 800 billion rupees in the system without having any value basis for it!!
 
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Can you reply with facts and figures and logic

Can you at least leave one thread for a pure academic discussion

What do you want to talk about CAD, fiscal deficit, monetry policy , state bank independence exports or imports ???

Do you even understand any of the above

Of course he can't. If he could he'd have used them, instead he just posts over emotional BS. It's what you can expect from a nation with such poor educational levels.
 
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Of course he can't. If he could he'd have used them, instead he just posts over emotional BS. It's what you can expect from a nation with such poor educational levels.
the ironic thing is that all these reports of econmic looming disaster were published regularly in PMLN govt..its not that we didnt know what was going to happen ....looming fiscal deficit, the ballooning CAD, dropping exports(PMLN target was 35 billion dollars from 25 billion PPP left and it instead dropped to 21), state enterprises losses
 
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@ziaulislam

your dalaali is not stopped after that, yeah its Pakistani taxpayers or PML-N not that moron Asad Umar that made decision to go to IMF in Sept. 2018. We should listen to this dalaal and depreciate the rupee so that make products more expensive for common man. FATF grey listing, US treasury blacklisting 7 Pakistani companies its all a coincidence. IMF asking for cpec contract is also a coincidence. All these US firms and dalaals orginating from US is also a coincidence. Artificial shortage of dollar by the forexmanipulators was also a coincidence.
FYI Rupee was depreciated after trade deficit in Dec 2017. High import bill was due to manufactured goods that went into physical infrastructure. This BS about state enterprises and deficit crap is same old, we have been hearing for years.
Why did'nt this a**hole Asad Umar or donkey king Imran Khan replicated Malaysia how they avoided IMF. They recapitalized and merged institutions to ensure liquidity. They protected there poor and middle class. Avoiding IMF has made them the cheapest nation in the region for cost of living as well as cheap utility.

PTI has destroyed their voters trust who would rather want state to defauolt than go to IMF this is how sick and fed up epople are from that institution , we will manage as long as we make our own decisions. But AsadUmar has put us back into the black hole we have never recovered from since 80s. Because of this PTI has suffered in the by elections and will be wiped out like PPP if it complies with the IMF program.
 
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@ziaulislam

your dalaali is not stopped after that, yeah its Pakistani taxpayers or PML-N not that moron Asad Umar that made decision to go to IMF in Sept. 2018. We should listen to this dalaal and depreciate the rupee so that make products more expensive for common man. FATF grey listing, US treasury blacklisting 7 Pakistani companies its all a coincidence. IMF asking for cpec contract is also a coincidence. All these US firms and dalaals orginating from US is also a coincidence. Artificial shortage of dollar by the forexmanipulators was also a coincidence.
FYI Rupee was depreciated after trade deficit in Dec 2017. High import bill was due to manufactured goods that went into physical infrastructure. This BS about state enterprises and deficit crap is same old, we have been hearing for years.
Why did'nt this a**hole Asad Umar or donkey king Imran Khan replicated Malaysia how they avoided IMF. They recapitalized and merged institutions to ensure liquidity. They protected there poor and middle class. Avoiding IMF has made them the cheapest nation in the region for cost of living as well as cheap utility.

PTI has destroyed their voters trust who would rather want state to defauolt than go to IMF this is how sick and fed up epople are from that institution , we will manage as long as we make our own decisions. But AsadUmar has put us back into the black hole we have never recovered from since 80s. Because of this PTI has suffered in the by elections and will be wiped out like PPP if it complies with the IMF program.
again not a single fact just moron round and round comments....

pick one economic indicator and we will talk about it..
 
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@ziaulislam

when are u coming to Pakistan with your stepdaddy/paymaster the IMF director? Would give u reception teri saari dalaali nikaaldenge
 
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facts & figures clearly suggests that imf programs have destroyed our economy. So logically, we should have avoided imf, come what may.

I don't think it is the programs that destroyed our economy, it is the fact that less than 20% of the program was actually implemented while the rest was siphoned through corruption, mismanagement among other things that destroyed our economy.
 
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@ziaulislam

your dalaali is not stopped after that, yeah its Pakistani taxpayers or PML-N not that moron Asad Umar that made decision to go to IMF in Sept. 2018. We should listen to this dalaal and depreciate the rupee so that make products more expensive for common man. FATF grey listing, US treasury blacklisting 7 Pakistani companies its all a coincidence. IMF asking for cpec contract is also a coincidence. All these US firms and dalaals orginating from US is also a coincidence. Artificial shortage of dollar by the forexmanipulators was also a coincidence.
FYI Rupee was depreciated after trade deficit in Dec 2017. High import bill was due to manufactured goods that went into physical infrastructure. This BS about state enterprises and deficit crap is same old, we have been hearing for years.
Why did'nt this a**hole Asad Umar or donkey king Imran Khan replicated Malaysia how they avoided IMF. They recapitalized and merged institutions to ensure liquidity. They protected there poor and middle class. Avoiding IMF has made them the cheapest nation in the region for cost of living as well as cheap utility.

PTI has destroyed their voters trust who would rather want state to defauolt than go to IMF this is how sick and fed up epople are from that institution , we will manage as long as we make our own decisions. But AsadUmar has put us back into the black hole we have never recovered from since 80s. Because of this PTI has suffered in the by elections and will be wiped out like PPP if it complies with the IMF program.

When you have finished with personal attacks could you please tell us more about the Malaysian model?

PTI have not offered me any plot of government role, so I am genuinely interested in learning about alternatives. You are the only person who's mentioned one, everyone else has just been angry.
 
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please tell us more about the Malaysian model?

PTI have not offered me any plot of government role, so I am genuinely interested in learning about alternatives. You are the only person who's mentioned one, everyone else has just been angry.

Malaysian Pm Mahathir at that time threw out the FInance Minister Anwar Ibrahim who was in favor of going to IMF and made Yakcop FM.


Did stabilization of their currency Fixed ringgit at 3.8 against the dollar. Closed down its overseas trading, putting an end to specutative activities esp. in Malaysian shares in Singapore.
Restrictions and heavy regulation of foreign capital outflow, incl. a one year moratorium on outflow of foreign portfolio capital and foreign-owned financial assets denominated in ringgit. REstrictions were placed on local citizens and companies and did'nt cover FDI.
Establishment of Danaharta [an asset management company] to deal with non-performing loans and Danamodal [agency] given role to recapitalize the financial institutions and corporate debt restructuring committee to restructure corporate debt.
Not closing down any financial institutions and ensure govt. would guarantee deposits placed in banks and fin. companies, encouraging financial stability and boosting confidence in banking system.
Revitalizing the sectors affected bythe financial crisis 1997. Maintaining certain key econ. and social policies. Regulating foreign ownership of assets, price controls and subsidies, etc.

Did whatever IMF disallows and they have never gone to IMF and came out of the crisis better and stronger.
Asad Umar knew about it and took the easy option of going to IMF instead.
 
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Malaysian Pm Mahathir at that time threw out the FInance Minister Anwar Ibrahim who was in favor of going to IMF and made Yakcop FM.


Did stabilization of their currency Fixed ringgit at 3.8 against the dollar. Closed down its overseas trading, putting an end to specutative activities esp. in Malaysian shares in Singapore.
Restrictions and heavy regulation of foreign capital outflow, incl. a one year moratorium on outflow of foreign portfolio capital and foreign-owned financial assets denominated in ringgit. REstrictions were placed on local citizens and companies and did'nt cover FDI.
Establishment of Danaharta [an asset management company] to deal with non-performing loans and Danamodal [agency] given role to recapitalize the financial institutions and corporate debt restructuring committee to restructure corporate debt.
Not closing down any financial institutions and ensure govt. would guarantee deposits placed in banks and fin. companies, encouraging financial stability and boosting confidence in banking system.
Revitalizing the sectors affected bythe financial crisis 1997. Maintaining certain key econ. and social policies. Regulating foreign ownership of assets, price controls and subsidies, etc.

Did whatever IMF disallows and they have never gone to IMF and came out of the crisis better and stronger.
Asad Umar knew about it and took the easy option of going to IMF instead of trying to reform this pathetic system and have all of us pay more.


Thanks. I'll read further into this sometime.
 
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Malaysian Pm Mahathir at that time threw out the FInance Minister Anwar Ibrahim who was in favor of going to IMF and made Yakcop FM.


Did stabilization of their currency Fixed ringgit at 3.8 against the dollar. Closed down its overseas trading, putting an end to specutative activities esp. in Malaysian shares in Singapore.
Restrictions and heavy regulation of foreign capital outflow, incl. a one year moratorium on outflow of foreign portfolio capital and foreign-owned financial assets denominated in ringgit. REstrictions were placed on local citizens and companies and did'nt cover FDI.
Establishment of Danaharta [an asset management company] to deal with non-performing loans and Danamodal [agency] given role to recapitalize the financial institutions and corporate debt restructuring committee to restructure corporate debt.
Not closing down any financial institutions and ensure govt. would guarantee deposits placed in banks and fin. companies, encouraging financial stability and boosting confidence in banking system.
Revitalizing the sectors affected bythe financial crisis 1997. Maintaining certain key econ. and social policies. Regulating foreign ownership of assets, price controls and subsidies, etc.

Did whatever IMF disallows and they have never gone to IMF and came out of the crisis better and stronger.
Asad Umar knew about it and took the easy option of going to IMF instead.

You're forgetting something major, Malaysia has it's own crude oil which makes up 30% of government REVENUE.
 
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wrong..!!! facts and figures shows that we destroyed our econmy and than went to get "bailed out" from IMF which than stablized our econmies, when election is near we print money and screw ourself and the cycle is repeated

IMF didnt cause 1. 6.7% fiscal deficit, or 2. asked to keep our rupee artificially high when indian rupee at same time lost 20% or 3.asked to get disproportionately high foreign loans (on record Dar is heard saying that i returned 100 billion pakistani loan and took foreign loans and saved on interest from 6 to 4%, apparently the guy has no understanding on how the system works!) 4. or asked us to put refunds gap on exporters and destroy Faisalabad textile industry

IMF is loan shark, it will loan you and than ask you to get to do things to get loan back but the point where we have to go and take loan is our own doing..

its like gambler, who loss money goes to loan shark ask for loan and when loaner ask him to sell his car he blames him for it..why blame the loan guy, its you who gambled

this is fundamentally the point we need to understand, the polticians are using iMF i-as an excuse for there corruption

you do know that PML N literally printed out 800 billion rupees by using loss monetary policy in other words they injected 800 billion rupees in the system without having any value basis for it!!

There's no doubt that, it's because of our ruling class we went to imf in the past, but to say that imf stabilized our economy is ignorance.

https://fp.brecorder.com/2018/07/20180727394052/

IMF again, what for?

The issue in Pakistan is not that of lack of revenue resources as wrongly portrayed by IMF and World Bank, but documentation of economy-ending the culture of tax evasion and fiscal frauds. The forces representing bazaar [different associations of traders], unscrupulous industrialists, absentee landlords and corrupt civil-military bureaucrats are the impediments. These segments are not ready to pay personal taxes on their colossal wealth and income-in most cases created from undeclared sources.

The prescriptions given by the IMF and/or World Bank will not solve our problems rather further compound them. The rich and mighty segments, identified above, will pass on the burden of sales tax and withholding taxes on the less-privileged and will avoid personal taxation. In 1990s, the IMF and World Bank caused a crushing death blow to our industry when on their advice we introduced exorbitant sales tax rate of 21 per cent-within a short span of 2 years we had hundreds of sick industrial units. Later on, the rate was reduced to 18%, then 15% -again raised to 16% in 2009 and then to 17%- but the fact remains that heavy indirect taxation has pushed 60 million Pakistanis below the poverty line. We have been warning about the devastating effects of high indirect taxation and excessive burden of withholding taxes. Yet the IMF and the government insisted on these even on low income levels and the result is now before us, there is decrease in voluntary tax compliance as evident from increase in withholding tax regime.

The successive governments have been emphasising the importance of increasing tax revenues, mainly on the dictates of the IMF, but flawed and irrational tax policy has destroyed our economy. In Pakistan, the financial system is for the rich or to lend money to the government, thus, small-and medium-size enterprises (SMEs) do not get credit for growth. In such circumstances, demanding the businesses to pay huge taxes in advance through various withholding provisions, ahead of time, before they even know what their income is going to be, is a sure recipe for economic disaster and this is what is going to be prescribed by the IMF, if the new government decides to go for yet another bailout. What is the alternate?

Pakistan’s IMF Problem
Jul 31, 2018 NADEEM UL HAQUE
In exchange for bailouts over the past three decades, Pakistani governments have repeatedly agreed to draconian spending cuts and arbitrary taxes in pursuit of fiscal targets. As a result, the country's economy is as weak as ever, and its state capacity has been hollowed out.

ISLAMABAD – After Pakistan’s recent election, Imran Khan and his Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party are now forming a new government. As usual, it will be greeted by an economic crisis. A trip, cap in hand, to the International Monetary Fund seems inevitable.

Pakistan, after all, is an IMF addict. The country has already spent 22 of the past 30 years in a dozen different IMFbailout programs. As the former IMF advisers Ehtisham Ahmad and Azizali Mohammed explained in a 2012 working paper for the Asia Research Center, no American, IMF, or Pakistani official has any incentive to reform Pakistan’s structural economic problems, and so the cycle of bailouts continues.

Unfortunately, few in Pakistan have ever read Ahmad and Mohammed’s paper or debated its significance. If they had, they would know that the IMF’s approach to the country has been a failure. For decades, IMF programs have been undercutting Pakistan’s productivity and growth potential, by eroding governance and state capacity, and creating conditions for ever more rent-seeking and corruption.

Successive IMF programs have required that Pakistan adopt more withholding taxes (never to be refunded), surcharges, and levies on essential goods such as oil and electricity, even though these measures hurt employment and investment growth. And when the government misses its fiscal targets, the Fund and Pakistan’s finance ministry agree on quarterly mini-budgets, which often include new taxes on school fees, bank transactions, Internet access, and so forth.
 
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