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China and India, 21st century’s two foremost powers. Both of them belongs to Asian contingent but living with enmity against each other. Though India have tried hard long back in 1960’s to promote a very good relation with its Northern neighbor but China had back-stabbed India in 1962 when it had attacked its southern neighbor without any warning and any serious incident.

54 years have passed since that bloody war, but these two nations are living in a cold war like situation still. While China is busy to show itself as the sole power from Asia, ready to take on World’s only Super Power United States of America, India on the other hand with its vibrant democracy, soft power, growing economy and with a growing military is posing a serious challenge in front of China as a possible counter weight. That is why China is looking at India with enmity.

China can not tolerate another rising power competing them from the same continent. Their target is obviously to suppress the US power everywhere in the world but they are equally wary of India’s growing stature at the world stage. It has started to deal India seriously particularly after the entry of Mr. Narendra Modi as Prime Minister of India in 2014. Prime Minister Modi’s promise of dealing China with eye to eye contact has raised huge support for him within India which have been searching for a leader like him. China on the other hand is very cautious in dealing with Modi’s India now. They are very much aware of the fact that it is not the soft power India, it is a Modi-fied India which can act like a brave boy which they are not used to deal with.

For a long time after 1962’s bloody war, India was out of Beijing’s security calculus but the year 2014 has changed it dramatically. With Indian people have voted for a self dependent Government with a thumping majority almost after 30 years. It has sent a signal to both Pakistan and China that Indian people have voted for a Government and for a strong leader like Modi for tackling them better than the previous coalition Governments. This has triggered an alarm bell in Beijing and forced them to re-consider their strategy towards India. PM Modi’s foreign tours in these 2 years in office have proved to be a golden time of India’s diplomacy as India have succeeded to improve bilateral relations with lots of powerful countries including Japan, Australia, UK, the US, France, Germany, Mexico, Russia etc. India have succeeded to garner huge support for its NSG membership although it has failed to get the membership due to Chinese blocking.

But the amount of support India have got from the 48 members NSG, among which almost 40 nations backed India, have shocked China at large. PM Modi has been successfully countering China’s ‘String of Pearls’ strategy with India’s own ‘String of Rapiers’ policy in which India have successfully formed military relations with the enemy neighbours of China like Vietnam, Japan, Philippines, South Korea, Indonesia, Mongolia and Taiwan. Besides this, PM Modi has successfully managed to bring India’s neighbours closer to India again. Afghanistan-Iran-India tri partite agreement to develop Chabahar port in Iran and link it to Afghanistan’s districts via rail lines is a major win for India as it will counter China-Pakistan’s Gwadar port development project.
People’s Liberation Army – Air Force + People’s Liberation Army – Navy

Total Aircrafts = 4,500+

Combat Aircrafts= 1,900+

200 Shenyang J-31

250 Chengdu J-20

24 Sukhoi-35 MKK

73 Sukhoi-30 MKK

75 Sukhoi-27 MKM

300 Shenyang J-11

50 Shenyang J-16

300 Chengdu J-10

60 Xian JH-7

100 Shenyang J-8

120 Xian H-X

PLA-Navy :- 50 Shenyang J-15

50 Chengdu J-10

48 Shenyang J-11

24 Sukhoi-30 MKK

124 Xian JH-7

47 Shenyang J-8

30 Nanchang Q-5

Indian Air Force + Indian Navy

Total Aircrafts= 3,500+ Combat Aircraft’s= 1,300+

160+ Sukhoi-FGFA (40+ aircrafts will be inducted later)

50+ HAL AMCA (300+ aircrafts will be inducted later)

312 Sukhoi-30 MKI

36 Dassault Rafale

80 HAL Tejas Mk.2

100 Gripen/F-18 ??

100 HAL Tejas Mk1A

20 HAL Tejas Mk1

69 Mig-29 UPG/K (will be phased out by 2035)

50 Dassault Mirage 2000H-Mk3 ( will be phased out by 2035)

100 Sepecat Jaguar (will be phased out starting from 2030)

Indian Navy :- 40 HAL AMCA 50 HAL Tejas Mk2 50 F-18/Rafale-M ?? 70 Mig-29K/KUB
People’s Liberation Army – Air Force + People’s Liberation Army – Navy

Air Defence Systems :-

S-400 Triumf (Maximum Range : 400 km)

S-300 PMU2 (Maximum Range : 200km)

HQ-9 SAM (Maximum Range : 200km)

HQ-16 SAM (Maximum Range : 40 km)

HQ-7B Sam (Maximum Range : 20 km)

Naval Defence :- HHQ-9 SAM (based on HQ-9, Maximum Range : 200km) equipped Red Aegis Air Defence Guided Missile Destroyers Type 052 D.

Indian Air Force + Indian Navy

AD-1 and AD-2 Anti Ballistic Missile System (Maximum Range : 5,000 km) PAD Anti Ballistic Missile System (Maximum Range : 2,000km) S-400 Triumf SAM (Maximum Range : 400km) AAD Anti Ballistic Missile System (Maximum Range : 200km) Barak-8 SAM (Maximum Range : 150km)

Naval Defence :-

Barak-8 SAM (based on US THAAD Anti Missile System) (Maximum Range : 150 km) with EL/M-2248 MF-STAR (Multi Functional – Scanned Towed Array Radar) AESA radar equipped Aegis type Destroyers Visakhapattnam and Kolkata class. Barak-8 will be deployed on all Indian Navy frontline warships including Destroyers, Frigates and Corvettes sigficantly taking Indian Naval defence to a new standard.

Conclusion : Comparing future air defence and combat assets of China and India, we will easily find that India’s air defence assets and combat aircrafts will be far more capable, technologically advanced and superior to ranges and firepower. In the naval front, if Chinese Destroyer Type 052D and Indian Destroyer Visakhapattnam confronts each other at high seas, it will be interesting to see which will penetrate others air defence first. After analysing firepower of both Destroyers, it can be said that Visakhapattnam may emrge as victorious as its main offensive weapon BrahMos anti-ship cruise missile has the capability to confuse even the best anti missile system in the world, leave aside Chinese HHQ-9.

But China will feet more heat when India will equip Visakhapattnam with BrahMos-II Hypersonic anti ship cruise missile in future, leaving no option for the Chinese except to surrender in front of Indian Naval power as no one will be able to stop BrahMos-II, even by laser beams because it will have laser beam protection suite in it which will be first in the world. With a missile having a speed of Mach 7 and an Air Defence system like Barak-8 in its ships, India can deploy its ships anywhere at China’s backyard without fear. JAI HIND !!!
 
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@Gufi you beat me to it. was typing he should have posted the article

@fsayed collate and merge this thread, IMO, with MRSAM thread and then work it up
 
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Comparing future air defence and combat assets of China and India, we will easily find that India’s air defence assets and combat aircrafts will be far more capable, technologically advanced and superior to ranges and firepower.
this is a garbage article, starts with chest beating for the first few paragraphs with nothing objective then it levels off to imaginary numbers followed by a very amateurish analysis.
Underestimating the HQ-9 is the most childish mistake one could make and some how deciding India will have air superiority without analysing half the planes on the list is again amateurish. Do study the origins of the HQ 9 and the two systems it learnt from.
Read an article on the American perception of war with China in late 2020s. And you will see that they are less confident of their chances outside the F 35 which again will be not an easy task.
But China will feet more heat when India will equip Visakhapattnam with BrahMos-II Hypersonic anti ship cruise missile in future, leaving no option for the Chinese except to surrender in front of Indian Naval power as no one will be able to stop BrahMos-II, even by laser beams because it will have laser beam protection suite in it which will be first in the world. With a missile having a speed of Mach 7 and an Air Defence system like Barak-8 in its ships, India can deploy its ships anywhere at China’s backyard without fear. JAI HIND !!!
great, so the laser beam protection before the beams are operational or the missile is operational... Brahmos 2 is not a super weapon somehow beating all defensive and offensive hurdles.
@PARIKRAMA your analysis on this great piece of chest beating
 
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AD-1 and AD-2 Anti Ballistic Missile System (Maximum Range : 5,000 km) PAD Anti Ballistic Missile System (Maximum Range : 2,000km) S-400 Triumf SAM (Maximum Range : 400km) AAD Anti Ballistic Missile System (Maximum Range : 200km) Barak-8 SAM (Maximum Range : 150km)

Author seems to written this article by blindly reading up from wiki
AD-1/AD-2 and PAD are speculated to intercept ballistic missiles of the range 5000 Km and 2000 Km respectively.

Not intercept target missiles at a distance of 5000 km or 2000 km.
 
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  • This article depicts the rosy picture where we are showed to be having overwhelming modernised IAF/IN.
  • But the amount of support India have got from the 48 members NSG, among which almost 40 nations backed India, have shocked China at large. PM Modi has been successfully countering China’s ‘String of Pearls’ strategy with India’s own ‘String of Rapiers’ policy in which India have successfully formed military relations with the enemy neighbours of China like Vietnam, Japan, Philippines, South Korea, Indonesia, Mongolia and Taiwan. Besides this, PM Modi has successfully managed to bring India’s neighbours closer to India again. Afghanistan-Iran-India tri partite agreement to develop Chabahar port in Iran and link it to Afghanistan’s districts via rail lines is a major win for India as it will counter China-Pakistan’s Gwadar port development project.

  • Meaningless chest thumping, analogies and linking to NSG bid.. Even PM NaMo does not think in those lines nor official establishment but author has concluded based on again his personal taste of outcomes.
  • India's military relationship with all these countries is mere exchange of information, joint exercises and disaster relief ops.. Neither the countries nor we ourselves export import any military hardware of strategic importance from them . On paper we are suppose to do many things with Vietnam, South Korea (K9 and minesweepers), Japan (US2) but in reality except South Korea nothing has moved much..
  • The depiction of platforms seems to be more of author's personal taste and faith+confidence on certain platforms over standard military strategy.
  • FGFA, AMCA -- Numbers and depiction are a bit too much rosy. Need to tone it down.
  • 5th Gen jets are high maintenance items.. Its not going to be easy for any AF to deploy it so easily like 4th Gen jets.
  • F22 can fly approx 60-90 mins every 3rd day due to the maintenance required for its 5th gen needs. implying its flight time in a month is more in the region of 10-15 or max 20 hours.
  • Considering that aspect the availability of 5th gen jets in both sides is not even considered but rather assumed that all jets will be available at 100% and at all time.
  • The present fleet of MKI low availability and our efforts to address it is well known. Again that point neglected.
  • BMD is talked as if its very matured which is not the real case.
  • Barak 8 based on US THAAD system.. is a massive mistake..
  • The following seems to be a wrong conclusion as its based on assessment of just one platform vs another without anything concrete.
  • Comparing future air defence and combat assets of China and India, we will easily find that India’s air defence assets and combat aircrafts will be far more capable, technologically advanced and superior to ranges and firepower. In the naval front, if Chinese Destroyer Type 052D and Indian Destroyer Visakhapattnam confronts each other at high seas, it will be interesting to see which will penetrate others air defence first. After analysing firepower of both Destroyers, it can be said that Visakhapattnam may emrge as victorious as its main offensive weapon BrahMos anti-ship cruise missile has the capability to confuse even the best anti missile system in the world, leave aside Chinese HHQ-9.

    But China will feet more heat when India will equip Visakhapattnam with BrahMos-II Hypersonic anti ship cruise missile in future, leaving no option for the Chinese except to surrender in front of Indian Naval power as no one will be able to stop BrahMos-II, even by laser beams because it will have laser beam protection suite in it which will be first in the world. With a missile having a speed of Mach 7 and an Air Defence system like Barak-8 in its ships,

  • In case of a confrontation, it wont be just one ship type or a missile type which will decide the course of the battle..
  • The author has forgotten that in the very first opening act it will be the long range missiles which will be fired to take out critical infrastructure right from air fields to strategic places.
  • The effects of ASAT weapon systems is fully neglected.
  • The future weapon systems will see continuous evolution from both sides and i dont suppose Brahmos 2 or Naval ships mentioned in the article to be only strategically important.
  • The author neglected the submarine warfare aspect and effects of SSBN, SSN and conventional submarine based warfares and strategies.
  • The effects of Network centric battle grounds with scope of realtime information gathering by Chinese Satellites and its ability to take on Indian establishment by Information warfare and cyber warfare is grossly neglected.
  • The author neglected the view that there is a credible chance that Pakistan may join this skirmish and open up another front due to its strategic relationship with China. In such a scenario, there may be other nations also who may join in either militarily or in global geo political arena to prevent a WW3 situation or for their own geopolitical needs.
@Gufi - This article is incorrect in many points and you can say its written with more of a personal opinion and preference. Wars are not won by a single platform alone..The author has missed this aspect.

We should read and realise the capability gap that exist in reality. and we should make efforts to address that

That is the correct assessment.. We only think and write.. The modernization is a slow process and needs concrete steps. and we are always in thinking stage only
 
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China and India, 21st century’s two foremost powers. Both of them belongs to Asian contingent but living with enmity against each other. Though India have tried hard long back in 1960’s to promote a very good relation with its Northern neighbor but China had back-stabbed India in 1962 when it had attacked its southern neighbor without any warning and any serious incident.

54 years have passed since that bloody war, but these two nations are living in a cold war like situation still. While China is busy to show itself as the sole power from Asia, ready to take on World’s only Super Power United States of America, India on the other hand with its vibrant democracy, soft power, growing economy and with a growing military is posing a serious challenge in front of China as a possible counter weight. That is why China is looking at India with enmity.

China can not tolerate another rising power competing them from the same continent. Their target is obviously to suppress the US power everywhere in the world but they are equally wary of India’s growing stature at the world stage. It has started to deal India seriously particularly after the entry of Mr. Narendra Modi as Prime Minister of India in 2014. Prime Minister Modi’s promise of dealing China with eye to eye contact has raised huge support for him within India which have been searching for a leader like him. China on the other hand is very cautious in dealing with Modi’s India now. They are very much aware of the fact that it is not the soft power India, it is a Modi-fied India which can act like a brave boy which they are not used to deal with.

For a long time after 1962’s bloody war, India was out of Beijing’s security calculus but the year 2014 has changed it dramatically. With Indian people have voted for a self dependent Government with a thumping majority almost after 30 years. It has sent a signal to both Pakistan and China that Indian people have voted for a Government and for a strong leader like Modi for tackling them better than the previous coalition Governments. This has triggered an alarm bell in Beijing and forced them to re-consider their strategy towards India. PM Modi’s foreign tours in these 2 years in office have proved to be a golden time of India’s diplomacy as India have succeeded to improve bilateral relations with lots of powerful countries including Japan, Australia, UK, the US, France, Germany, Mexico, Russia etc. India have succeeded to garner huge support for its NSG membership although it has failed to get the membership due to Chinese blocking.

But the amount of support India have got from the 48 members NSG, among which almost 40 nations backed India, have shocked China at large. PM Modi has been successfully countering China’s ‘String of Pearls’ strategy with India’s own ‘String of Rapiers’ policy in which India have successfully formed military relations with the enemy neighbours of China like Vietnam, Japan, Philippines, South Korea, Indonesia, Mongolia and Taiwan. Besides this, PM Modi has successfully managed to bring India’s neighbours closer to India again. Afghanistan-Iran-India tri partite agreement to develop Chabahar port in Iran and link it to Afghanistan’s districts via rail lines is a major win for India as it will counter China-Pakistan’s Gwadar port development project.
People’s Liberation Army – Air Force + People’s Liberation Army – Navy

Total Aircrafts = 4,500+

Combat Aircrafts= 1,900+

200 Shenyang J-31

250 Chengdu J-20

24 Sukhoi-35 MKK

73 Sukhoi-30 MKK

75 Sukhoi-27 MKM

300 Shenyang J-11

50 Shenyang J-16

300 Chengdu J-10

60 Xian JH-7

100 Shenyang J-8

120 Xian H-X

PLA-Navy :- 50 Shenyang J-15

50 Chengdu J-10

48 Shenyang J-11

24 Sukhoi-30 MKK

124 Xian JH-7

47 Shenyang J-8

30 Nanchang Q-5

Indian Air Force + Indian Navy

Total Aircrafts= 3,500+ Combat Aircraft’s= 1,300+

160+ Sukhoi-FGFA (40+ aircrafts will be inducted later)

50+ HAL AMCA (300+ aircrafts will be inducted later)

312 Sukhoi-30 MKI

36 Dassault Rafale

80 HAL Tejas Mk.2

100 Gripen/F-18 ??

100 HAL Tejas Mk1A

20 HAL Tejas Mk1

69 Mig-29 UPG/K (will be phased out by 2035)

50 Dassault Mirage 2000H-Mk3 ( will be phased out by 2035)

100 Sepecat Jaguar (will be phased out starting from 2030)

Indian Navy :- 40 HAL AMCA 50 HAL Tejas Mk2 50 F-18/Rafale-M ?? 70 Mig-29K/KUB
People’s Liberation Army – Air Force + People’s Liberation Army – Navy

Air Defence Systems :-

S-400 Triumf (Maximum Range : 400 km)

S-300 PMU2 (Maximum Range : 200km)

HQ-9 SAM (Maximum Range : 200km)

HQ-16 SAM (Maximum Range : 40 km)

HQ-7B Sam (Maximum Range : 20 km)

Naval Defence :- HHQ-9 SAM (based on HQ-9, Maximum Range : 200km) equipped Red Aegis Air Defence Guided Missile Destroyers Type 052 D.

Indian Air Force + Indian Navy

AD-1 and AD-2 Anti Ballistic Missile System (Maximum Range : 5,000 km) PAD Anti Ballistic Missile System (Maximum Range : 2,000km) S-400 Triumf SAM (Maximum Range : 400km) AAD Anti Ballistic Missile System (Maximum Range : 200km) Barak-8 SAM (Maximum Range : 150km)

Naval Defence :-

Barak-8 SAM (based on US THAAD Anti Missile System) (Maximum Range : 150 km) with EL/M-2248 MF-STAR (Multi Functional – Scanned Towed Array Radar) AESA radar equipped Aegis type Destroyers Visakhapattnam and Kolkata class. Barak-8 will be deployed on all Indian Navy frontline warships including Destroyers, Frigates and Corvettes sigficantly taking Indian Naval defence to a new standard.

Conclusion : Comparing future air defence and combat assets of China and India, we will easily find that India’s air defence assets and combat aircrafts will be far more capable, technologically advanced and superior to ranges and firepower. In the naval front, if Chinese Destroyer Type 052D and Indian Destroyer Visakhapattnam confronts each other at high seas, it will be interesting to see which will penetrate others air defence first. After analysing firepower of both Destroyers, it can be said that Visakhapattnam may emrge as victorious as its main offensive weapon BrahMos anti-ship cruise missile has the capability to confuse even the best anti missile system in the world, leave aside Chinese HHQ-9.

But China will feet more heat when India will equip Visakhapattnam with BrahMos-II Hypersonic anti ship cruise missile in future, leaving no option for the Chinese except to surrender in front of Indian Naval power as no one will be able to stop BrahMos-II, even by laser beams because it will have laser beam protection suite in it which will be first in the world. With a missile having a speed of Mach 7 and an Air Defence system like Barak-8 in its ships, India can deploy its ships anywhere at China’s backyard without fear. JAI HIND !!!
these numbers are all wrong and are made up
50 j-10!!!!!!! im sure they have 250+
200 j-20's!!!! they dont even have one yet. they are expected to get them this year though

this thread is a waste of bandwidth even for me
 
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these numbers are all wrong and are made up
50 j-10!!!!!!! im sure they have 250+
200 j-20's!!!! they dont even have one yet. they are expected to get them this year though

this thread is a waste of bandwidth even for me



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