Army's ammunition won't last 20 days of war

[WishLivePak]

What part? Why are we raising new forces or why the current force structure is oriented against Pakistan?

yes

 

[Contrarian]

yes

The current force structure is deemed effective and sufficient for a war with Pakistan. So there is no need to add additional force nor is there a need to reduce that force. We wish to have a dominating force structure on the Western border, not just a parity force structure.

New additions are because the only terrain where we can have a fight with China is in East - ie Arunachal Pradesh. Which is completely mountainous. That requires more mechanization and organic air element.

As to why we are raising new forces against China is because China has increased its transport infrastructure vastly and that has reduced their mobilization time substantially. Therefore new additions are required as our transport infrastructure in North East will take a decade atleast to get improve to the same level.

And our economy has almost trebled in the last 2 decades while our military has more or less remained constant in size(not technology) in those two decades, so it is affordable to the exchequer.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

No need. Supa Powa India can finish off Pakistan in 1 minute, China in 2 minutes and Bangladesh in 30 seconds. It is a Supa Powa unseen or unheard of previously.

not sure abt pak and china, possible with bangladesh.
lol

 

[TejasMk3]

not sure abt pak and china, possible with bangladesh.
lol

But but..we already own Bangladesh through Rawami league So why to fight

 

[Lil Mathew]

Yet another Indian weapon, we ought to fear.

Your army's standards and our army's standard are different.. Even we don't know the definition and requerement of intense fighting set by Indian army..
Indian army is double the size of Pak army..
Indian army= 11.3 million
Pak army=5.5 million
Indian army budget is more than 6 times that of Pak army's..
Indian army budget =$ 20.5 billion
Pak army budget =$ 3.5 billion
Conclusion is INDIAN ARMY SIZE IS DOUBLE THE PAK ARMY and BUDGET ALLOCATION PER INDIAN SOLDIER IS 3 TIMES THAT OF PAK SOLDIER..
That is Indian army is much much bigger than Pak army, So standards set by each armies are way different..

 

[oFFbEAT]

This news is not surprising........'cause there is a practical limit to how much ammunition one can import at a certain point in time, several factors affect it, like the process of making a deal, sanctioning it, how fast and in what numbers the other country can manufacture them, delivering the items etc........all these take considerable amount of time.....adding to that, the factor of uncertainty, there is no guarantee that the supplier country will keep on supplying us when needed due to the unstable nature of world politics.

Therefore, given that India imports almost everything, there will always be a limited stockpile of arms and ammunition in the short-run........and in an intense short duration war, India might face trouble due to this reason.

The answer to the problem lies in domestic,indigenous development which would eliminate all the factors of time delay and uncertainty but somehow Indians have an affinity towards 'foreign maal'(may be because of corruption or some kind of inferiority complex or both).
We reject indigenous products on ridiculous pretext like, they are not at par with the latest tech., completely forgetting that we started late and it would take time to catch up and if we don't support indigenous development we will never catch up.

 

[illusion8]

So mighty India can't survive war for 20 days WOW just imagine if they get two face two front war

Perception of preparations vary, what IA calls "not enough" would be surplus for many.

We are talking about additions of $17 billions worth of ammo in next two years and still IA would deem that insufficient, as in "not 100%".

 

[That Guy]

Does it matter? Even if the Indian army were to disband altogether, India's nuclear forces would still be able to deter any threat of invasion. Same goes for Pakistan and China.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

NEW DELHI: Even as mortars and guns once again boom along the border with Pakistan, alarm bells continue to clang over the crippling shortage of ammunition reserves in the 1.18-million strong Indian Army.

In a grim reality check in March, TOI had reported that India did not have enough ammunition to undertake a full-blown war with "intense fighting" for even 20 days. Six months down the line, the situation on the ground has not changed much.

Officials, however, contend the Modi government is "fully cognizant" of the "shocking state of affairs". Though "urgent steps" are being taken, it will take time to build up the war wastage reserves (WWR) due to the "long-winded" arms procurement procedures as well as the sluggish performance of the 39 factories under the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), they say.

The WWR, incidentally, should be sufficient for 30 days of "intense" and 30 days of "normal" fighting. With three days of "normal" equal to one of "intense", the WWR should consequently be adequate for 40 days of "intense" fighting.

"But there are deficiencies across the board. The critical ones are for tank and air defence ammunition, anti-tank guided missiles, specialized machine-gun magazines, grenades, mine fuses and the like. Some types of ammunition will not last even a week in a full-fledged war," said a source.

As per the overall Army "ammunition roadmap", the WWR will reach 100% only by 2019 if there is budgetary support of around Rs 97,000 crore. "While 23 types of ammunition have to be imported, OFB will manufacture the rest," said another source.

Phase-I of the roadmap will ensure deficiency of critical ammunition is made up to sustain 20 days of "intense" fighting and three years of training ammunition by March 2015. This will cost Rs 19,250 crore.

Under it, Rs 963 crore worth of ammunition was ordered from the OFB in 2013-2014, while contracts worth another Rs 1,964 crore are already underway in the ongoing fiscal. Similarly, orders for 15,000 3UBK-Invar missiles and 66,000 armour-piercing rounds for the T-90S main-battle tanks have already been inked.

Moreover, 17 import cases are now being "progressed'' for specialized ammunition. "Around 10 RFPs (request for proposals) have already been issued. These things take time. Overall, for instance, there were 23 contracts worth Rs 16,177 crore inked for the Army in 2013-2014," said an official.

But ammunition shortages have become the norm in the world's second-largest Army over the last couple of decades. India, in fact, had to undertake "emergency purchases" at exorbitant prices from Israel during the almost 70-day but limited Kargil conflict in 1999.

Ammunition, incidentally, is held at three levels. The "first line" of "on-weapon" and "unit reserve" is held at the battalion-level. The "second line" is with brigades and divisions. Finally, there is the WWR held in a dispersed manner in different depots.


Source:-
Army's ammunition won't last 20 days of war - The Times of India

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thanks for info...

So mighty India can't survive war for 20 days WOW just imagine if they get two face two front war

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2 front..
the 2nd guy did not came when you was cut to half..
and 2 front war...
for you 2 days moe than enough for us.. if WE WANT ...

 

[scholseys]

Be careful about your lungi nation.
Pakistan and China have their own respective capacities to engage with us.But lungi nation is not miniscule matter for us.

Turns out the Indian Army is a sitting duck.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Hindus.

Brilliant post of great relevance and respect.

@Oscar @Chak Bamu @Aeronaut @Emmie @WebMaster

 

[JonAsad]

Brilliant post of great relevance and respect.

@Oscar @Chak Bamu @Aeronaut @Emmie @WebMaster

you turning out to be quite a cry baby--
why what?? you want to be in their good books so later on you can become an indian jr TT- -

 

[trident2010]

So it means that we gonna wrap this up before the next weekends

 

[ApparentRaceTraitor]

Mrs. M.A.D will always ensure that Pakistan, India and China behave responsibly despite the shalwar/dhoti/lungi brigade's most desperate wet dreams for conflict.

 

[SrNair]

Turns out the Indian Army is a sitting duck.

Ya Ya like in 1971 where Indian Army liberated BD.Have some shame before talk such nonsense.