Army officer who tied youth to jeep in Kashmir gets clean chit; praised by court

[third eye]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/army...it-army-brass-believes-he-saved-lives.495776/

 

[Icarus]

Since you have worn Khaki, put yourself in the position of the young officer. Would you have thought it through that what you consider may become a propaganda tool or anything ? The chances are No.

The way the system functions is that at all levels commanders are sanguine that those above him will ' hold his hand' should the stuff hit the fan. That young man wouldn't have thought beyond two things - Get his command back safely & no damage to locals.

Putting myself in his position, I might have been inclined towards ramming someone if they threatened my men but I would have chosen to avoid confrontation if possible. That being said, I am a bit too libertarian to consider tying someone to the front of my vehicle. But I am prepared to allow the leniency for considering that someone who does not share my views might have seen it as a fair means of signalling to an uncooperative population that the officer is not messing about. I must note that there seems to be no indication that the man tied to the car was put through any additional abuse. Thus although I do not condone the officer's actions or say that they were justified, I can relate to the rationale he might have had at the time when he made this decision.

As regards Haryana, the Local Police is capable of rubbing it in like Police in our part of the world does when it choses to & it possibly did. The two situations have little in common.

Kashmiris are not second grade citizens. However, anyone who chooses to challenge the writ of the state at the instigation of their masters must do at his own peril & consequently feel the heat.

I am aware, however that is how narratives are moulded in an insurgency. Drawing parallels between other parts of the country to highlight alleged high-handedness in the insurgent's case and downplaying the significance of challenging state writ.

No, your concerns are fair .

Thank you.

Sure, with hindsight everything we do may have been done better. I am sure the reaction time the Officer had must have been little.

Our Military does not have the luxury of control that PA does . Neither does it have a Govt that actively discourages criticism of the Military on social media & other forum. It has therefore to work within the confines it has.

Like I said, these differences can probably be attributed to the differences in the space and time that these decisions were taken in.
That being said, the Govt only superficially challenges those who challenge the military on social media. In reality there is a lot of bad blood between the two and the Govt like all major political parties runs "Social Media Cells" designed to overwhelmingly push their agenda. In this regard, I envy the Indian Govt and Military, they have a much more fluid working relationship.

 

[halupridol]

Major saab is assamese,,,kuch naga tribes ko settle kar do valley me,they can always pretend to be laddakhis,,within a decade kashmir will be solved

 

[Shiji]

A Pakistani Officer would have been LOT'ed. I Guarantee It!

 

[Dhara]

And as i pointed out in a previous thread , you would have to be 17 when the so called court marshaled you . do us all a favor and give up lying , no one here believes you!!!!

As I mentioned earlier I deliberately put year of birth wrong, I was court martialled in 1987 when I was 34 years old (1953 YOB).

 

[GlobalVillageSpace]

Indian officer who used Kashmiri youth as human shield praised and acquitted
Global Village Space |

Indian Army’s Court of Inquiry (COI) on Monday acquitted the Indian officer accused of tying a man to his jeep and using him as a human shield while patrolling in India-held Kashmir on April 9, Indian media reported.

The army court acquitted Major Nitin Gogol, serving in held-Kashmir with the Rashtriya Rifles, and praised him for having the “presence of mind to avoid casualties or injuries” and “avoid” stone pelting on forces.

Dar conservatively estimated that he was paraded for at least 20-25 kilometers.

Earlier in April, 26-year-old shawl maker Farooq Ahmad Dar was strapped to the front of an olive-green vehicle by Indian soldiers with a sign pinned to his chest declaring him to be a stone-pelter. He was then paraded through the streets of Budgam district by Indian forces who wanted to make an example out of him. The video of this inhuman attempt at intimidation by Indian army had circulated on social media. The incident had once again raised concerns over the violation of human rights by Indian armed forces in held Kashmir, forcing the Indian army to investigate the incident.

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Dar conservatively estimated that he was paraded for at least 20-25 kilometers.

After they were done patrolling, Dar says he was taken to a Central Reserve Paramilitary Force camp in Hardapanzoo where he said he was still kept tied up and not offered water.

“Am I a toy or a human being?” he asked while speaking to journalists, “The government must take action against the army personnel” he said.

Omar Abdullah, ex-chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir, has expressed his frustration over the Indian government’s disinterest in the mistreatment of the Kashmiri youth. He said referred to a separate video that showed an Indian security official being beaten up by a group of enraged Kashmiris, “I understand the outrage the Central Reserve Police Force video generated. I’m also outraged that the video of the youth on the jeep won’t generate the same anger,” he said.

This is just one example of the recent escalation of Indian efforts to control the popular uprising in Kashmir.

Authorities in Indian-administered Kashmir have blocked 22 social media applications including Facebook, WhatsApp, and Twitter.

The state of Jammu and Kashmir has been under the AFSPA since 1992, and currently has more than 700,000 troops deployed, making it the most militarized zone in the world.

An official state circular was issued on Wednesday, April 26 which stated that the social media services were “being misused by anti-national and anti-social elements” in the Valley to disturb “peace and tranquility” and could be blocked for up to 30 days.

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Indian officer who used Kashmiri youth as human shield praised and acquitted

 

[Dhara]

How convenient !!!
Mind telling me where you were court marshaled ?

I believe more then 10 times I posted, Kindly care to check my old posts.
In short I refused C.Os ordered to go undercover to hunt remaining militants in Punjab.

 

[Super Falcon]

It was a bit extremely but, effective.

The pic might become iconic like after 50 years. Positive or negative.

Yes than why u cry over it spy kalbushan death

It was a bit extremely but, effective.

The pic might become iconic like after 50 years. Positive or negative.

Yes than why u cry over it spy kalbushan death

 

[Fledgingwings]

Round finger Medal goes to the army of Champions of democracy.

 

[Dhara]

Well the reason i ask where you were court marshaled was because i could then verify if that was true, you see my father served on the COAS staff during those years, also no Punjab regiment was stationed in Punjab during the Sikh militancy years.
Also its easy to prove if you were ever in the army , which batch of the NDA were you?
As to this "nonsense" you talk about , do you know the number of kids who come to this forum claiming they were army officers?

I will not give my details since my relatives still live in India (and I don't want any more trouble because of my presence at Pakistani Defense forum, they already suffered a lot) and if you are so much concerned do some hard work with these details.
Sikh Light Infantry (3rd Battalion)
clue is 1987 My rank was Major.

 

[Dhara]

do you know the number of kids who come to this forum claiming they were army officers?

Same applies to you also, Now kid leave me alone.

You should be proud that you were court martialed!!!!!

I am ashamed I served in Indian forces.

Listen, no power in the world can snatch Kashmir from us, were you able to snatch khalistan from India? India has a powerful army, the hands are tied, otherwise we can bomb the shit out these tangos using bombs and LGB's dont you dare underestimate the powers Indian armed forces has.....we are quite, cause army respects the Constitution of India, not like some banana army who changes Constitution every month according to their needs....

Days are numbered, we will soon witness a big mess, be with me.


Kashmir is lost case for you and about Khalistan freedom fighter were doing well but civilian Govt of Pakistan led by Mrs. Benazir provided India lists of fighters resulted in 100s of killings rest left India waiting for the right time.

 

[Divergent]

This is stupid

 

[ranadd]

Facing a loss-loss situation, the major did take the right decision.

Long term would this hurt Indian government stance, Yes. Being the greatest democracy and this. Not done.

Still I would side with that major. No point in comparing Kashmir situation to anywhere else. This no diplomacy - no power handling need to stop. Kashmir will stay with India. Nothing will change that. Better move in and finish it off, In all its vulgarity. Enough blood is shed.

 

[litman]

off topic but anything is expected from a country where humanity is non existent. just read the news on yahoo
https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-gang-raped-india-mutilated-093147526.html

 

[Sinnerman108]

Since you have worn Khaki, put yourself in the position of the young officer. Would you have thought it through that what you consider may become a propaganda tool or anything ? The chances are No.

The way the system functions is that at all levels commanders are sanguine that those above him will ' hold his hand' should the stuff hit the fan. That young man wouldn't have thought beyond two things - Get his command back safely & no damage to locals.

Now, if a pelter is made to sit on a tyre so be it. The pelter would be happy he didnt lose his life or limb.

As regards Haryana, the Local Police is capable of rubbing it in like Police in our part of the world does when it choses to & it possibly did. The two situations have little in common.

Kashmiris are not second grade citizens. However, anyone who chooses to challenge the writ of the state at the instigation of their masters must do at his own peril & consequently feel the heat.



No, your concerns are fair .



Sure, with hindsight everything we do may have been done better. I am sure the reaction time the Officer had must have been little.

Our Military does not have the luxury of control that PA does . Neither does it have a Govt that actively discourages criticism of the Military on social media & other forum. It has therefore to work within the confines it has.

A YO is exactly that,
He is a YO, and there is a reason why we have senior officers, a code on conduct and training.

@BHarwana @Zibago @Pakistani Exile @pak-marine @Hell hound @Sinnerman108

In one breath some Indian posters boast how Kashmiri youth is defying "Terrorists" by applying to Indian jobs in another they appreciate such treatments to mere stone-pelters.
The Media blackouts, the reoccurring raids and curfews tell and different story however.

It is very simple dear

They have a problem, and that is their religious history,
Until such time the people of Pakitan exist, their historical basis stand null and void.
To compensate that insecurity they keep cooking up stories of plastic surgery etc.