Army dithers over futuristic tank, DRDO pursues engine

[The enlightened]

Your copy are good.?
OH please.

 

[The enlightened]

On the other hand 2 engines don't really seem a good idea.
Fuel efficiency is good, but why create more maintainence headaches.
Maybe DRDO is planning for a future when petrol costs Rs 150 per litre.

 

[sweetgrape]

Your copy are good.?
OH please.

Result talk more. In my eyes, india can't "copy", They also aren't more creative than chinese. Many indian mock chinese "copy", But also can show their creativeness ability. You have the qulification to mock china? If talk can make you success, you should have done it.

 

[Tshering22]

And someone here was telling me the other day how DRDO "imposes" things on the indecisive military top brass. ..

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Many indian military project have high standard, But the story of arjune and LCA let me don't believe indian military R&D.
1800HP engine? I am watching! don't just talk, until now, I don't see much successful indian project, even gain the goal, also get the help from foreign, many key component lag behind the project, finally, You have to import them from foreign, talk is easier than action. Improve you basic industry first.

Arjun is one of the best tanks on the planet in its category. It is the top Army brass that is corrupt. A decisive PM that can shut the commission-obsessed generals would be a boon for us about now.

 

[DrSomnath999]

Many indian military project have high standard, But the story of arjune and LCA let me don't believe indian military R&D.
1800HP engine? I am watching! don't just talk, until now, I don't see much successful indian project, even gain the goal, also get the help from foreign, many key component lag behind the project, finally, You have to import them from foreign, talk is easier than action. Improve you basic industry first.

well mate u should see that ARJUN tank has been mocked in this forum as AJUNK tank but mate this tank has outperformed it's russian couinterpart T90 tank in desert exercises & it's armour can resist T72 shell at point blank range ,& really this can be called sweet grape for us only & sour for some others

 

[Omega007]

And someone here was telling me the other day how DRDO "imposes" things on the indecisive military top brass. ..

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Arjun is one of the best tanks on the planet in its category. It is the top Army brass that is corrupt. A decisive PM that can shut the commission-obsessed generals would be a boon for us about now.

Well,I don't know whether the Arjun MkI is best or not.Because as the 1st tank developed,it inevitably bears some design draw backs.Besides,there are newer more advanced tanks have emerged like Leopard 2A6/7+,K 2,M1A2 SEP etc.But in a war,if properly used Arjun MkI can become the worst nightmare for even NATO countries.
But with 92 upgrades,Arjun MkII will definately make its place among the bests.

 

[Storm Force]

How can arjun be a failed tank theirs 124 in service and another 300+ pn order in mk1 & mk2 variants

dont believe

then whats this

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now plz PDF people dont get too upset at the sight of 500+ heavey ARJUN tanks inj indian army by 2017

 

[patentneer]

Tank war days are long over, nevertheless Indias tank have a narrow, western front RFP.

Hybrid, even a roll-up solar generator may sound funny but is good to keep the show going.

 

[navtrek]

Many indian military project have high standard, But the story of arjune and LCA let me don't believe indian military R&D.
1800HP engine? I am watching! don't just talk, until now, I don't see much successful indian project, even gain the goal, also get the help from foreign, many key component lag behind the project, finally, You have to import them from foreign, talk is easier than action. Improve you basic industry first.

Yes i agree. Things happen their own way projects are ambitious and are associated with a lot of delays but at the end of the day something is better than nothing.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Tank war days are long over, nevertheless Indias tank have a narrow, western front RFP.

Hybrid, even a roll-up solar generator may sound funny but is good to keep the show going.

Thats not what usa found out in afghanisthan,it was heavy armour that had the survivability.Also we have huge fleets of MBTs from both china and pakistan facing us,and require a large number ourselves.

 

[patentneer]

China, huge fleet?

Where, in the Himalayas.

A tank fight may happen along the Pak. border. Since both sides have missiles ... why bother with tank-shank.

Let's not be silly, don't miss the wood for the trees. Bigger super powers have done arbitration in wars in the region, and they have big forces.

Wake-up.

 

[JayAtl]

Many indian military project have high standard, But the story of arjune and LCA let me don't believe indian military R&D.
1800HP engine? I am watching! don't just talk, until now, I don't see much successful indian project, even gain the goal, also get the help from foreign, many key component lag behind the project, finally, You have to import them from foreign, talk is easier than action. Improve you basic industry first.

while they are going for more indigenous products , why should India, who are in the unique situation of having access to the world's best- not take advantage of it? everyone is okay selling to India.

LCA and ArjunMk2 are classic examples of where India can get state of the art technology, while it builds its own industries. China for example has nobody other than Russians( that too limited) willing to sell their military assets and thus has sub par technology under their hoods( compared the ones available from NATO providers). Proof positive about this is - to whom you export your products to- down range , poor countries who can't afford the best.

At the time of war , you don't ask for a made in what country tag- your soldiers want the best to fight one.

 

[patentneer]

Haha.

May I explain that modern India started off super smart.

It also remained super smart for another 40-50 yrs. of the Nehru-Gandhi rule by way of rock solid stability.

Super smart how? Well, the atom bomb put a stop to normal war. India won freedom and declared a doctrine of peace meanwhile retaining and developing a defensive policy.

Pakistan, Iran, Russia (rhe winner of the second world war) and China continued with leftover or newly adopted aggressive policies re: non-smart and overly militarised govt.'s. Non-violence was never an option.

This adventurous type policy led to unreal adventures, and Pakistan broke up in two.

India's military hardware was so-so compared to it's real politics. Built on a bedrock of a gen. of stability from the Nehru-Gandhi combine, which later ossified into dynastic politics.

Cut to the present, India's clever collection of hardware is top-notch and even dirt cheap. Defence purchases are long drawn political moves to do with G-8 industrial policy, jobs etc.
Long story short, India hardly paid full price, or in advance for it's recent big ticket shopping. For eg. the $ 10 Billion type Assault deal is to be paid over 10-20 yrs. with joint manufacturing, offset clause etc. The deal saved Dassault Inc. from going under, who knows in a few yrs. it's Indian collaborators may buy it out.

American hardware story is also a similar co-option, co-manufacturing and cooperative dealbwith offset clauses payable over time with easy financing. Indian defense sub k's like Tata, L&T, Godrej, HAL, Wipro may go Global, compete , collaborate or even buy out their giant US OEM's.

 

[RescueRanger]

That's a big *** tank!

 

[Black Widow]

Don't know why the hell IA is so obsessed with the 50 ton BS!!I mean come on now!!Even the US and Germany is concentrating on heavier tanks that weighs well over 64 ton with US developing M1A3 and Germany Leopard 2A7+!!Without heavy armor,a tank can't even withstand today's FSAPDS rounds like German DM 53/63,forget about future rounds.

Because of our Hilly terrain, The heavier tanks may not work efficiently in Kashmir, and Chienese borders.. Having said that I will say that there is no Tank in world which carry 4 person and which is light (50 Tonn class).

If IA want 4 crew Tank with heavy armor then no one in world can make light Tank (under 50 tonn). Even God can't make such thing.


So if IA wants 50 tonn tank , then they have to compromise on crew member or weak armor..

And moreover this is all about Bribe/prostitute/BMWs.. Don't you see how these 60-70,000 INR salaried employee's kids buy BMW? Don't you know from where these money come?