Arab IDF soldier: 'I love this country and want to contribute'

[19887]

It dosent change the fact that if arabs were drafted they would gun down jew soldiers daily, its a risk the IDF cant take

you may right specifically about the army

The arab population in israel has reached about 20.8%

yes the arabs are around 20%,but only 14.5% are muslims and from 8.5m people in israel only 1.4m identify as palestinians.

The arabs across gaza, israel and the west bank are equal to jews but arabs

between the river to the sea there is:
6.4m jews by the "halacha" + 0.4m jews not by the "halacha" = 6.8m
1.8m arabs in israel(including druze christians circassians..)+1.8m in gaza +2-2.2m in judea&samaria=5.6-5.8m
without gaza it's 6.8m jews vs 3.8-4m arabs.
jews are the majority between the river to the sea.

have a higher birth rate, marry early, hsve children quickly and will form the majority

the bith rate in israel is the same for arabs and jews 3.1,in judea&samaria jews have higher birth rate than the arabs jews-6-6.2 and arabs 2.7-3.1,in gaza the birht rate is 4+.
arabs and jews in israel,judea&samaria,and gaza are marring in the same age and bring kids as fast as they can
remember that we are jews we're not like americans and europeans.

You have 3 options 1 state where the arabs are a majority or large minority

2 states

Or apartheid where you control their lsnd, skies and borders and keep them in gettos

what you wrote is known as the "false dilemma" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma.
israel have much more options
like 1 equal state without gaza
1 equal state with gaza
1 apartheid state with/without gaza
3 states in israel,judea&samaria,gaza
all kind of annexations,autonomies,citizenship/residency,encourage immigration,move all the arabs to jordan,arab state in sinai and more and more.

 

[hussain0216]

http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-arab-fertility-rates-in-israel-on-par-for-first-time/

Birth rate is now the same.

Arab birth rate overall including west bank and gaza is higher, so overall population will keep rising faster.

On top of which birth rate is not the only factor

Arabs marry early
Jews desl with national service and they tend to take a break afterwards, this is why non haredi birthrate is so much lower (haredis dont do national service and thus like the arabs marry earlier)

The Arabs marry earlier and start their families quickly

They subsequently have their children virtually one after the other

So by the time the non haredi jew population finish national service and take a break the arabs tend yo be married for a few years with already a few children if not all their children born

Arabs also have the lowest median age with many youth approaching marriage age

All in all the demographic pressure on israel is immense with the haredi and arab populations growing the quickest
This dosent even include the west bank and one state concept

 

[19887]

Arab birth rate overall including west bank and gaza is higher, so overall population will keep rising faster.

On top of which birth rate is not the only factor

Arabs marry early
Jews desl with national service and they tend to take a break afterwards, this is why non haredi birthrate is so much lower (haredis dont do national service and thus like the arabs marry earlier)

The Arabs marry earlier and start their families quickly

They subsequently have their children virtually one after the other

So by the time the non haredi jew population finish national service and take a break the arabs tend yo be married for a few years with already a few children if not all their children born

Arabs also have the lowest median age with many youth approaching marriage age

All in all the demographic pressure on israel is immense with the haredi and arab populations growing the quickest
This dosent even include the west bank and one state concept

in israel the arabs lives like western people,the arab women are going to university and they have a career,the same as the arab men,it is not the 70' anymore,the stereotype is not correct.
the birth rate in israel from the highest to the lowest:
1-ultra orthodox jews *1m people
2-bedouin arabs *0.25m people
3-religious jews *1.5m people
4-traditional jews
5-non bedouin muslim arabs&secular jews
6-christians&druze
***between the jewish groups the rate of people in each group doesn't change because there is a movement mostly from the religious groups to the secular groups

you think you know israel so good but you don't,ask before you claim false claims

 

[hussain0216]

you may right specifically about the army

yes the arabs are around 20%,but only 14.5% are muslims and from 8.5m people in israel only 1.4m identify as palestinians.

between the river to the sea there is:
6.4m jews by the "halacha" + 0.4m jews not by the "halacha" = 6.8m
1.8m arabs in israel(including druze christians circassians..)+1.8m in gaza +2-2.2m in judea&samaria=5.6-5.8m
without gaza it's 6.8m jews vs 3.8-4m arabs.
jews are the majority between the river to the sea.

the bith rate in israel is the same for arabs and jews 3.1,in judea&samaria jews have higher birth rate than the arabs jews-6-6.2 and arabs 2.7-3.1,in gaza the birht rate is 4+.
arabs and jews in israel,judea&samaria,and gaza are marring in the same age and bring kids as fast as they can
remember that we are jews we're not like americans and europeans.


what you wrote is known as the "false dilemma" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma.
israel have much more options
like 1 equal state without gaza
1 equal state with gaza
1 apartheid state with/without gaza
3 states in israel,judea&samaria,gaza
all kind of annexations,autonomies,citizenship/residency,encourage immigration,move all the arabs to jordan,arab state in sinai and more and more.

Jews in west bank are haredi they represent 0.5 million people as opposed to 2.5 million arabs

The overall population is almost equal in 2017
Give it a a decade or two

The haredi and arab populations alone will put immense pressure on israel


The Israeli wet dream of ethnic cleansing is a wet dream
You have the option of one free democratic state

One apartheid state where arabs ate second class citizens

Two states where israel forces apartheid upon the Palestinians by trying to control their lives, borders and skies

U.N security council resolutions and international law give Palestinians right to west bank snd east Jerusalem

 

[Nilgiri]

Respect to all those putting their country first....beyond secondary identities.

 

[19887]

Jews in west bank are haredi they represent 0.5 million people as opposed to 2.5 million arabs

The overall population is almost equal in 2017
Give it a a decade or two

The haredi and arab populations alone will put immense pressure on israel


The Israeli wet dream of ethnic cleansing is a wet dream
You have the option of one free democratic state

One apartheid state where arabs ate second class citizens

Two states where israel forces apartheid upon the Palestinians by trying to control their lives, borders and skies

U.N security council resolutions and international law give Palestinians right to west bank snd east Jerusalem

most of the jews in judea&samaria are not "haredim" they are religious/traditional.
there is no more than 2-2.2m arabs in judea&samaria.
half of the "haredim" become seculars in their young age.
there is only 200,000 bedouins in the negev with high birth rate, around 5
we still have a lot of option including the "lets just leave it as it is now"
the arabs in judea&samaria were jordanians citizens even after 67,jordan is their(palestinian) state,60-80% of jordanians are "palestinians".
israel don't do what the UN want us to do,if we did-we were dead already.

 

[hussain0216]

most of the jews in judea&samaria are not "haredim" they are religious/traditional.
there is no more than 2-2.2m arabs in judea&samaria.
half of the "haredim" become seculars in their young age.
there is only 200,000 bedouins in the negev with high birth rate, around 5
we still have a lot of option including the "lets just leave it as it is now"
the arabs in judea&samaria were jordanians citizens even after 67,jordan is their(palestinian) state,60-80% of jordanians are "palestinians".
israel don't do what the UN want us to do,if we did-we were dead already.

Your non haredim population is only growing 1.2%, its your useless haredi population that is pushing your growth and they are a twisting knife in israel even if you dont realise it.

Between them and the arabs you will have alot of pressure on alot of secular jews, not to mention issue with jobs, housing population density

You have very little option
Leave it as it is just let's the problem grow
Ethnic cleansing is abhorrent and an act of war
Your floating letting bibi, bennet and the other clowns screw you good

 

[19887]

Your non haredim population is only growing 1.2%, its your useless haredi population that is pushing your growth and they are a twisting knife in israel even if you dont realise it.

Between them and the arabs you will have alot of pressure on alot of secular jews, not to mention issue with jobs, housing population density

You have very little option
Leave it as it is just let's the problem grow
Ethnic cleansing is abhorrent and an act of war

i will tell you again,the "demographic problem" no matter which kind it's not a problem,i explained before.

Your floating letting bibi, bennet and the other clowns screw you good

now it's the part that i love
the problem of israel it's not the people inside or around it,it's not the politicians no matter who they are
the problem of the state of israel is the state of israel,the problem start one day after the creation of our state.
the state of israel my friend has a good and high quality people,but the state itself it's like a dilapidated building which eventually will crash.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

i will tell you again,the "demographic problem" no matter which kind it's not a problem,i explained before.


now it's the part that i love
the problem of israel it's not the people inside or around it,it's not the politicians no matter who they are
the problem of the state of israel is the state of israel,the problem start one day after the creation of our state.
the state of israel my friend has a good and high quality people,but the state itself it's like a dilapidated building which eventually will crash.

Are you from the Tat nation of Azerbayjan?

 

[19887]

Are you from the Tat nation of Azerbayjan?

no,but the muslim persians or the soviet russians called the jews in the caucasus tat/tati they said that as a derogatory name.

 

[xyxmt]

So Israelis are listening to what one Arab has to say, but they cant hear what 5 million palestinians are saying LOLOL

 

[19887]

So Israelis are listening to what one Arab has to say, but they cant hear what 5 million palestinians are saying LOLOL

oh we are listening to them,they say things like:
"kill the jews" "slaughter the jews" "the army of mohamed will come for you" "jews are monkeys and pigs"
"jews making food from our blood" "milion martyrs marching to jerusalem"
you want more?

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

no,but the muslim persians or the soviet russians called the jews in the caucasus tat/tati they said that as a derogatory name.

Tat is just a Turkish name (used since 12th century) for Persian speakers in Azerbayjan, Muslim tats and Christian tats were also refered to as tats, beside other names (Parsi, daghli (mountain inhabitant) etc).

There are and were 3 kind of Tats... Muslim, Christian and Jewish Tats.
Christian Tats were Armenians who adopted Tati language (language close to persians). Jew Tats were probably Jews of Iran, because they Spoke a kind of Persian language they were called Tats, and Muslim Tats were just persians who spoke Tati.
Also the name of Tat saved many mountain Jews because the German Nazis thought that they were non-semitic muslim Tats (Persian by race) who just accepted Judaism as religion. While some were killed in beginning, this theory saved many mountain Jews.
Iran used the same trick to save Iranian Jews by convincing Nazis that Persian Jews were an Iranic ethnicity.

 

[xyxmt]

oh we are listening to them,they say things like:
"kill the jews" "slaughter the jews" "the army of mohamed will come for you" "jews are monkeys and pigs"
"jews making food from our blood" "milion martyrs marching to jerusalem"
you want more?

they say this to Israelis not Jews
so are they wrong?
just asking

 

[19887]

Tat is just a Turkish name (used since 12th century) for Persian speakers in Azerbayjan, Muslim tats and Christian tats were also refered to as tats, beside other names (Parsi, daghli (mountain inhabitant) etc).

There are and were 3 kind of Tats... Muslim, Christian and Jewish Tats.
Christian Tats were Armenians who adopted Tati language (language close to persians). Jew Tats were probably Jews of Iran, because they Spoke a kind of Persian language they were called Tats, and Muslim Tats were just persians who spoke Tati.
Also the name of Tat saved many mountain Jews because the German Nazis thought that they were non-semitic muslim Tats (Persian by race) who just accepted Judaism as religion. While some were killed in beginning, this theory saved many mountain Jews.
Iran used the same trick to save Iranian Jews by convincing Nazis that Persian Jews were an Iranic ethnicity.

it's true what you said and i will add more,
we were never identified as tats,when the persians called us "tats" they were meant "stupids" .
we came to the caucasus from south west persia and we came to persia from babylon and to babylon from israel
we developed our language juhuri when we were in persia,thats why it has similarities with ancient persian.
the reasom we moved to the caucasus from persia it's because the persian tried to kill us.

they say this to Israelis not Jews
so are they wrong?
just asking

they say that about jews,they had problems with jews long time before israel was even exist.
they wrong about what? i just don't understand the question