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Apple loses its shine in China

Some greet arrival of iPhone 7 with a shrug
China Daily, September 9, 2016


Wang Wanli, a 26-year-old sales manager in Beijing, has been thinking about upgrading his iPhone 6, which he bought two years ago. To his disappointment, however, Apple's latest product rollout on Thursday morning fell short of his expectations.

He said he had found no big improvement on the iPhone 7, which Apple is banking on to regain the market share in China that it is losing to domestic players.

For example, he is comfortable with Apple's operating system, but he said he thought "the iPhone 7 does not look as cool as the Lenovo Moto Z modular handset".

Wang is not alone. As Chinese smartphone vendors such as Huawei and Oppo scramble to offer alternatives with competitive functions, experts say local consumers are less willing to wait in long lines for a new iPhone.

The iPhone 7 will be available in China on Sept 16, although online ordering begins on Friday. Jin Di, research manager at International Data Corp China, said iPhone 7's routine upgrades on cameras and processors show that hard-ware is no longer Apple's edge.

"The sales of iPhone 7 will be worse than the iPhone 6, which once took China by storm," Jin said.

The declining popularity of iPhones highlights challenges that Apple is facing in China, which was once the company's biggest growth engine but has recently become a source of disappointment.

In the quarter ended in June, Apple saw a 33 percent drop in sales in China, marking its highest decline in all regions, while domestic brands Huawei and Oppo saw surges in shipments of 15 per-cent and 124 percent, respectively.

Huawei said earlier this month that it had sold 4.5 million units of P9 by July, its premium-end smartphone that includes dual cameras and sells for 3,688 yuan ($550). In comparison, the iPhone 7 Plus with similar features starts at 6,388 yuan.

"It will be hard for Apple to regain the crown in China with the iPhone 7 series, given the declining enthusiasm among consumers," said Nicole Peng, research director at Shanghai-based consultancy Canalys.

Canalys forecasts that Apple will see a 12 percent year-on-year decline in smartphone shipments to China this year.

According to Peng, Apple still dominates the above-3,000 yuan handset market, where most consumers remain loyal to the brand.

"But that consumer group is growing very, very slowly. And Apple's growth, in fact, needs to be driven by potential consumers who usually buy smartphones priced from 2,000 yuan to 3,000 yuan. Now, however, such potential consumers have all chosen local vendors," Peng added.

Apple and Samsung are finished in China.

Chinese brands (especially Huawei) have closed the technology gap and offer the phone at an affordable price.

Whatever extra 'special' features Apple and Samsung have are no reason for the extra price. This is why both their marketshare in China are going down.

Chinese brands have learned very quickly. Once the Chinese brands have a good grasp of what the consumer wants, they will dominate and not let up.

Unless Apple or Samsung come up with something amazing, their marketshare will not go back up.

The iPhone 7 is nothing special. It's barely an upgrade over the iPhone 6S.
 
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http://gizmodo.com/why-the-headphone-jack-had-to-die-1786299071
This is exactly what Apple does best: it single-handedly abolishes outdated technology standards that are begging to be shelved. Apple did it with the 3.5-inch floppy disk, disk drives in your laptops, and Adobe Flash. Now, it’s doing music-lovers a favor by killing a cable that’s had it coming for a long time. This makes room for better technology and new possibilities.

So the headphone jack is finally dead. And the saddest part? No one is going to miss it.
If Apple failed in China -- the iPhone -- it is not because Chinese cell phones are innovative in terms of design, engineering, and technology. The fault lies in Apple's failure in misunderstanding the local market, the most common complain seems to the price.
 
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Your post is the reason why Apple laughs at people like you.

Where I work, sometimes I get to meet Apple engineers, either personally or thru emails. The vision from Steve Jobs was not about being the 'first' but being the most efficient. That is where Jobs was his most insightful on how people use machines and expect of their machines. It is the same as Google. Was Google the first to come up with the concept of the 'search engine' ? No...

http://www.wordstream.com/articles/internet-search-engines-history

But why did Google became so famous and dominant ? Because their engineers made their product more efficient than others'. Not the most efficient but more efficient.

Apple's products were not always market successful, but reviewers who recommended Apple products are neither fools nor techno ignorant. Themselves were successful designers, engineers, and business leaders. They know how to tell the 'good' from the 'great'.

Did the 'candy bar' form factor came from Apple ? No. But Apple made its phone better looking and more pleasant feeling than its competitors.

Who killed the Sony Walkman and its copies ? Apple.

The list of where Apple came from behind and beat others, from design to engineering, is long. We have yet to see anything from China.
LOL typical bullshit from fanboy that don't often understand how smartphone industry works. No, it has nothing to do with efficient or any of the nonsense about engineering, design, or whatever. That was only true in the early beginning of Iphone when other players haven't caught up. Now they do, and why Iphone still sell well? Uh it's simple, they are the only alternative OS to the dominant Android OS that developers are willing to put effort in making apps for. As developer myself, I think I know a thing or two about that, I assume. LOL

So no, please listen. Go ask kids why they want an Iphone. Their answer is very simple but reveal the remarkable marketing genius of Apple. The answer is simply "It's cool!" So what make owning an Iphone cool? You ask. It is because Apple design a phone that is so simple that a grandma can use, a woman can understand, and a kid can see. Nothing extraordinary but this simple factor, adding with marketing that no opponents can compete except Samsung, is why Iphone remains good sale but it's fading. IOS adoption is getting slower, Window OS and Blackberry OS are dead, and Android continue to destroy the competition. Right now, the best selling phone is the big budget marketing star Samsung Android Galaxy S. It's not the Iphone but Iphone is right next there as like I said, the best alternative to the crowd Android marketplace. IOS is a close system and there are certain advantage and disadvantage in being a close system. The biggest advantage is loyal fan. The biggest disadvantage is they don't produce the best, most up-to-date with technology. So please learn. LOL
 
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You'd be a complete fool to spend 6000 yuan on something that, specs wise, is half as good as what you can buy for 2000 yuan.
 
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LOL typical bullshit from fanboy that don't often understand how smartphone industry works.
Me fanboy ? Did you not read I do not own an iPhone or any Apple product ? :lol:

No, it has nothing to do with efficient or any of the nonsense about engineering, design, or whatever. That was only true in the early beginning of Iphone when other players haven't caught up.
Yeah...Apple set the trend in both style and efficiency. Apple did not invent the cell phone. You do know that, no ?

As developer myself, I think I know a thing or two about that, I assume. LOL
Anyone can call himself/herself a 'developer'.

So please learn. LOL
I will learn from you when you can produce like Apple does. But for now, you are probably nothing more than a cog in a machine doing its assigned task.

Let us take the wires, for example...

Why is Apple not in wireless charging ?

Because the inconvenience of wired charging is merely 1 second. That mean it takes me only 1-2 seconds to plug in my phone compares to just putting the phone down on a wireless charging pad. It does not matter if the charging method is moved from my house to hotel room. Once there, the charging method must remain static. I can either put the phone on a wireless charging pad, or spend 1 second to plug in a cord.

But compare to the headphones, the convenience of no wires is enormous. The headphones by nature is mobile and that mean the wires must also be mobile. The inconvenience is obvious. The wires could break and no music. The wires could be snagged. And the wires will get tangled. The convenience of no headphone wires is far greater than the inconvenience of a wired charging method.

Wireless charging did not mattered much into the buying decisions of the average people, even those who are tech savvy.

Now the cell phone manufacturing industry will scramble to play catch up -- again -- to Apple with wireless headphones.

You knock on Apple because you are Chinese and thinks with your penis instead of with the critical thinking skills in your head demanded of a technical person as you claimed you are. Which Chinese cell phone manufacturer came up with the user insights and brave enough to make the leap into wireless headphones ? How about you ?
 
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Me fanboy ? Did you not read I do not own an iPhone or any Apple product ? :lol:
You do not need to own an Iphone to be a fanboy.


Yeah...Apple set the trend in both style and efficiency. Apple did not invent the cell phone. You do know that, no ?
Nonsense. Apple copy idea, implemented in their products, and market it. As the biggest company, they will have fanboy to follow and claim to set the trend.

Anyone can call himself/herself a 'developer'.
Sure not unless they are a professional like I am. LOL

I will learn from you when you can produce like Apple does. But for now, you are probably nothing more than a cog in a machine doing its assigned task.

Let us take the wires, for example...

Why is Apple not in wireless charging ?

Because the inconvenience of wired charging is merely 1 second. That mean it takes me only 1-2 seconds to plug in my phone compares to just putting the phone down on a wireless charging pad. It does not matter if the charging method is moved from my house to hotel room. Once there, the charging method must remain static. I can either put the phone on a wireless charging pad, or spend 1 second to plug in a cord.

But compare to the headphones, the convenience of no wires is enormous. The headphones by nature is mobile and that mean the wires must also be mobile. The inconvenience is obvious. The wires could break and no music. The wires could be snagged. And the wires will get tangled. The convenience of no headphone wires is far greater than the inconvenience of a wired charging method.

Wireless charging did not mattered much into the buying decisions of the average people, even those who are tech savvy.

Now the cell phone manufacturing industry will scramble to play catch up -- again -- to Apple with wireless headphones.

You knock on Apple because you are Chinese and thinks with your penis instead of with the critical thinking skills in your head demanded of a technical person as you claimed you are. Which Chinese cell phone manufacturer came up with the user insights and brave enough to make the leap into wireless headphones ? How about you ?
What a joke! LOL The real reason wireless charging does not take off is because of the limitation in the charging time vs through wire. It has nothing to do with what you say.

As far as the wireless headphone, I can assure that it wasn't Apple that start that trend. LOL Wireless headphone actually start off in the medical business. Now with Apple decision to take the wire port out is an attempt to make consumer buy more of their AirPods but it is remain to be seen how effective that would be because of the inconvenience trying to connect wireless. Even that feature is consider small change in the smartphone evolution. The next big evolution is coming up.

When it comes to setting trend in Smartphone features, Apple is the last player you want to look at now. The next big trend will be fully modular smartphone and flexible smartphone. Both are currently project to be release by China smartphone makers. But i'm quite sure that Apple will copy that and claim they set the trend. LOL
 
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You do not need to own an Iphone to be a fanboy.
And you do not need to be a fanboy in order to appreciate good design and engineering.

There are many in the USAF, myself included, who appreciates good engineering in Soviet fighters.

Nonsense. Apple copy idea, implemented in their products, and market it.
If it is as simple as that, everybody would have beaten Apple a long time ago. Instead, everybody, including Chinese cell phone manufacturers, nervously wait for what Apple would come out next.

As the biggest company, they will have fanboy to follow and claim to set the trend.
Apple is not the 'biggest' company. Walmart have 10 times the number of US employees alone.

What a joke! LOL The real reason wireless charging does not take off is because of the limitation in the charging time vs through wire. It has nothing to do with what you say.

As far as the wireless headphone, I can assure that it wasn't Apple that start that trend. LOL Wireless headphone actually start off in the medical business. Now with Apple decision to take the wire port out is an attempt to make consumer buy more of their AirPods but it is remain to be seen how effective that would be because of the inconvenience trying to connect wireless. Even that feature is consider small change in the smartphone evolution. The next big evolution is coming up.

When it comes to setting trend in Smartphone features, Apple is the last player you want to look at now. The next big trend will be fully modular smartphone and flexible smartphone. Both are currently project to be release by China smartphone makers. But i'm quite sure that Apple will copy that and claim they set the trend. LOL
Where in my post did I said Apple invented the wireless headphone or started that trend ?

Nokia came out with the first candy bar form factor. Apple followed. But why did Apple's design and styling became more a commercial success than Nokia's. Anytime someone said 'remains to be seen' ? It mean he is too chickenshit to make an opinion. It means he waits for either success or failure so he can later and claimed he knew it all along.

Chinese cell phones will be modular ? Apple will take that idea and make its version more stylish, efficient, and praise winning. And that is my opinion.
 
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Apple loses shine among fans in China
Global Times, Sept. 19, 2016


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Two days after the launch of new iPhone products in Beijing, fans lined up outside of an Apple store in the city's downtown area, but iPhone scalpers said that those customers are less enthusiastic about the gadgets compared with previous years.

Customers had to make an online reservation before lining up outside the Apple store in Beijing's Sanlitun shopping area to purchase iPhone 7 smartphones, which debuted on Friday. A dozen iPhone scalpers waiting on the other side of the building asked those who had just picked up their preordered iPhone 7 gadgets to resell them, earning about 1,000 yuan ($150) each.

"Due to the lack of inventory in the store, some people may want to pay more for these new products, as it will take a long time for them to wait for the arrival of preordered ones," a iPhone scalper, who only gave his surname as Wang, told the Global Times outside the store on Sunday.

The company's press representatives in China did not respond to a request by the Global Times concerning the store's inventory of iPhone 7s in Beijing as of press time on Sunday.

As the jet-black iPhone 7 Plus is favored by more people for its look and its two cameras, which provide a depth of field effect, it is the most in-demand product now, Wang said.

"We resell it at 20,000 yuan each and fans may accept the price because it is impossible to buy in the store right now," he said.

This product is priced at 7,188 yuan with 128 GB and 7,988 yuan with 256 GB on Apple's official website, which said phones will be delivered in November.

It is quite normal for iPhone scalpers raise the prices for the new iPhones because of low inventories in stores, which can't meet demand immediately after the iPhone 7 products were unveiled, Liu Dingding, a Beijing-based independent industry analyst, told the Global Times on Sunday.

"But there will be fewer iPhone scalpers who make a profit through reselling those products in a month," Liu predicted.

Also, fewer fans have lined up for the new products this year, compared with years before, iPhone scalpers outside the store told the Global Times.

A 25-year-old man surnamed Zhang spent few minutes listening to an employee in the Apple store making a presentation of the iPhone 7, and left without preordering anything online.

"The only new feature attractive to me is the camera system of the iPhone 7 Plus, but I am not ready to buy," Zhang said.

Still, some customers who ordered the new products online said they did so because they are regular users of Apple products.

A lack of innovation has become a major hurdle for Apple to gain market share in China, especially when domestic brands have been rising in recent years, Liu noted.

"The reduced enthusiasm for the new iPhone 7 products shows Chinese buyers are becoming more rational, and they also have more choices," Liu said.

The top domestic smartphone vendors, Huawei, OPPO and Vivo, had 46.6 percent of China's smartphone market in the second quarter of 2016, which reflects their brand-building efforts and aggressive marketing strategies, International Data Corp (IDC) said in a report released in August.

Meanwhile, Apple continued to decline in terms of its shipment volumes, according to the report.

With 19.1 million units shipped, Huawei was the No.1 vendor in the Chinese market, holding a 17.2 percent share in the second quarter of 2016, the IDC report noted.

Next came OPPO and Vivo, which reported 18 million and 14.7 million units shipped, respectively. They held market shares of 16.2 percent and 13.2 percent. Apple, which recorded 8.6 million units shipped during this period, was ranked fifth after Chinese tech firm Xiaomi, according to the report.

The crackdown on parallel goods trading activities in Shenzhen, South China's Guangdong Province, neighboring Hong Kong, kicked off after the new iPhone products were unveiled. The local customs confiscated about 400 iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus phones, worth more than 3 million yuan, according to Guangzhou Daily on Sunday.
 
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Apple loses shine among fans in China
Global Times, Sept. 19, 2016


6243215193780072253.jpg


Two days after the launch of new iPhone products in Beijing, fans lined up outside of an Apple store in the city's downtown area, but iPhone scalpers said that those customers are less enthusiastic about the gadgets compared with previous years.

Customers had to make an online reservation before lining up outside the Apple store in Beijing's Sanlitun shopping area to purchase iPhone 7 smartphones, which debuted on Friday. A dozen iPhone scalpers waiting on the other side of the building asked those who had just picked up their preordered iPhone 7 gadgets to resell them, earning about 1,000 yuan ($150) each.

"Due to the lack of inventory in the store, some people may want to pay more for these new products, as it will take a long time for them to wait for the arrival of preordered ones," a iPhone scalper, who only gave his surname as Wang, told the Global Times outside the store on Sunday.

The company's press representatives in China did not respond to a request by the Global Times concerning the store's inventory of iPhone 7s in Beijing as of press time on Sunday.

As the jet-black iPhone 7 Plus is favored by more people for its look and its two cameras, which provide a depth of field effect, it is the most in-demand product now, Wang said.

"We resell it at 20,000 yuan each and fans may accept the price because it is impossible to buy in the store right now," he said.

This product is priced at 7,188 yuan with 128 GB and 7,988 yuan with 256 GB on Apple's official website, which said phones will be delivered in November.

It is quite normal for iPhone scalpers raise the prices for the new iPhones because of low inventories in stores, which can't meet demand immediately after the iPhone 7 products were unveiled, Liu Dingding, a Beijing-based independent industry analyst, told the Global Times on Sunday.

"But there will be fewer iPhone scalpers who make a profit through reselling those products in a month," Liu predicted.

Also, fewer fans have lined up for the new products this year, compared with years before, iPhone scalpers outside the store told the Global Times.

A 25-year-old man surnamed Zhang spent few minutes listening to an employee in the Apple store making a presentation of the iPhone 7, and left without preordering anything online.

"The only new feature attractive to me is the camera system of the iPhone 7 Plus, but I am not ready to buy," Zhang said.

Still, some customers who ordered the new products online said they did so because they are regular users of Apple products.

A lack of innovation has become a major hurdle for Apple to gain market share in China, especially when domestic brands have been rising in recent years, Liu noted.

"The reduced enthusiasm for the new iPhone 7 products shows Chinese buyers are becoming more rational, and they also have more choices," Liu said.

The top domestic smartphone vendors, Huawei, OPPO and Vivo, had 46.6 percent of China's smartphone market in the second quarter of 2016, which reflects their brand-building efforts and aggressive marketing strategies, International Data Corp (IDC) said in a report released in August.

Meanwhile, Apple continued to decline in terms of its shipment volumes, according to the report.

With 19.1 million units shipped, Huawei was the No.1 vendor in the Chinese market, holding a 17.2 percent share in the second quarter of 2016, the IDC report noted.

Next came OPPO and Vivo, which reported 18 million and 14.7 million units shipped, respectively. They held market shares of 16.2 percent and 13.2 percent. Apple, which recorded 8.6 million units shipped during this period, was ranked fifth after Chinese tech firm Xiaomi, according to the report.

The crackdown on parallel goods trading activities in Shenzhen, South China's Guangdong Province, neighboring Hong Kong, kicked off after the new iPhone products were unveiled. The local customs confiscated about 400 iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus phones, worth more than 3 million yuan, according to Guangzhou Daily on Sunday.

Apple is finished in the Chinese market.

Apple features are now just like other brands. Nothing special anymore.

I predict American brands in every industry will decline as soon as there is a half-decent Chinese brand.

Chinese brand just need to be 'good enough' for them to replace American brands in the Chinese market.
 
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People are overreacting.

Technology has to move forward, not remain stagnant.
 
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Apple is finished in the Chinese market.

Apple features are now just like other brands. Nothing special anymore.

I predict American brands in every industry will decline as soon as there is a half-decent Chinese brand.

Chinese brand just need to be 'good enough' for them to replace American brands in the Chinese market.
I remember when iPhone 4 and 4s came out, everybody was talking about it...
Time flies.
 
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Apple iPhone 7 is not for the masses. It is high-end.
 
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