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Ankara will reveal 'whatever happened' to Saudi dissident, spokesperson for Turkish President Erdoga

Neither would Pakistan or any other nation when the push comes, best exsample is Russia staying silent on Israeli raid's on Syria.

All in all NATO is still the best option Turkey has.


It probabyl depends on US, and yes US is way deeper involved in this than you might think.
Why else does trump send his FM to Saudi and Turkey over the issue?
Well, during Cyprus dispute , late PM of Pakistan ZA Bhutto ask Turkey if they need Pakistan armed forces.


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A former Pakistani general who had served with the Turkish military during the 1974 Cyprus war said he was glad he got an opportunity to help his Turkish brothers and sisters.

Retired Lt. Gen. Karamat Ahmed Karamat, former surgeon general of Pakistani army, was a member of a medical team who had been sent to Turkey during the war to help Turkish military personnel and civilians who got injured.

"I was a major-rank officer when I got ordered to immediately get prepared and join the medical team leaving for Turkey to help the Turkish military,” Karamat told Anadolu Agency in an interview.

It was July 17, 1974, when our team, consisting of 30 doctors, nurses and paramedical staff, left for Turkey aboard a special Pakistani military C-130 aircraft that arrived at Adana airport in Turkey in the evening.

Soon after our arrival we were moved to military camps in Mersin and Tarsus areas, he said.

Personally, it was a difficult time for the former Pakistani officer since his own wife was pregnant and was in her last term at the time.

"My wife told me that I am pregnant and doctor has advised me for a Caesarian while you are going abroad; I replied ‘God will help you’ but my brothers and sisters are in war and they need my help, so, as a soldier I should go for their help," Karamat said.

On Sept. 3, 1974, when Karamat was in Mersin and his team was busy helping injured Turkish colleagues, he got a telegram from his father-in-law about the birth of his daughter.

The retired general was born in 1943 in southeastern Pakistan’s Punjab province. He served Pakistani army for 37 years in its medical corps and retired in 2003.

Karamat and his team served in Turkey till September 1974 and returned to Pakistan after completing their duty.

Fond memories

"Still I remember these days and the time passed with Turkish colleagues, but I have lost all contact made with friends at that time... there was no facilities back then to remain in contact with them,” he said.

He remembered the hospitality and respect he and his team received from Turkish military personnel and local people of Mersin and Tarsus.

He visited Turkey for the second time in 2003, when he was the surgeon general of Pakistani army.

Let me tell you Turkey and Pakistan are two countries but one nation since both sides love each other, he said.

Karamat said he intends to visit Turkey along with his wife again someday.

The former general urged the Pakistani youth to learn the Turkish language and also urged the Turkish youth to learn Urdu in order to understand each other better.

Pakistan and Turkey enjoy close cultural, historical and military ties which were now expanding into more deepening economic relations, he noted.

People of both countries have love and respect for each other and we should do more to extend it to people-to-people contacts, he said.

"Turkey and Pakistan, both countries have best medical professionals and we should share knowledge with each others," he added.

He also appreciated the fact that under President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's era, the brotherly ties between Pakistan and Turkey had strengthened further.
 
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Well, during Cyprus dispute , late PM of Pakistan ZA Bhutto ask Turkey if they need Pakistan armed forces.


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A former Pakistani general who had served with the Turkish military during the 1974 Cyprus war said he was glad he got an opportunity to help his Turkish brothers and sisters.

Retired Lt. Gen. Karamat Ahmed Karamat, former surgeon general of Pakistani army, was a member of a medical team who had been sent to Turkey during the war to help Turkish military personnel and civilians who got injured.

"I was a major-rank officer when I got ordered to immediately get prepared and join the medical team leaving for Turkey to help the Turkish military,” Karamat told Anadolu Agency in an interview.

It was July 17, 1974, when our team, consisting of 30 doctors, nurses and paramedical staff, left for Turkey aboard a special Pakistani military C-130 aircraft that arrived at Adana airport in Turkey in the evening.

Soon after our arrival we were moved to military camps in Mersin and Tarsus areas, he said.

Personally, it was a difficult time for the former Pakistani officer since his own wife was pregnant and was in her last term at the time.

"My wife told me that I am pregnant and doctor has advised me for a Caesarian while you are going abroad; I replied ‘God will help you’ but my brothers and sisters are in war and they need my help, so, as a soldier I should go for their help," Karamat said.

On Sept. 3, 1974, when Karamat was in Mersin and his team was busy helping injured Turkish colleagues, he got a telegram from his father-in-law about the birth of his daughter.

The retired general was born in 1943 in southeastern Pakistan’s Punjab province. He served Pakistani army for 37 years in its medical corps and retired in 2003.

Karamat and his team served in Turkey till September 1974 and returned to Pakistan after completing their duty.

Fond memories

"Still I remember these days and the time passed with Turkish colleagues, but I have lost all contact made with friends at that time... there was no facilities back then to remain in contact with them,” he said.

He remembered the hospitality and respect he and his team received from Turkish military personnel and local people of Mersin and Tarsus.

He visited Turkey for the second time in 2003, when he was the surgeon general of Pakistani army.

Let me tell you Turkey and Pakistan are two countries but one nation since both sides love each other, he said.

Karamat said he intends to visit Turkey along with his wife again someday.

The former general urged the Pakistani youth to learn the Turkish language and also urged the Turkish youth to learn Urdu in order to understand each other better.

Pakistan and Turkey enjoy close cultural, historical and military ties which were now expanding into more deepening economic relations, he noted.

People of both countries have love and respect for each other and we should do more to extend it to people-to-people contacts, he said.

"Turkey and Pakistan, both countries have best medical professionals and we should share knowledge with each others," he added.

He also appreciated the fact that under President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's era, the brotherly ties between Pakistan and Turkey had strengthened further.
I know Pakistan is one of the supporters of Turkey, yet we are talking about Nuclear umbrella and major conflicts, it would be silly to think Pakistan would ready its nukes for the sake of Turkey or any other nation for that matter.
 
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I know Pakistan is one of the supporters of Turkey, yet we are talking about Nuclear umbrella and major conflicts, it would be silly to think Pakistan would ready its nukes for the sake of Turkey or any other nation for that matter.
Not but, Pakistan already gave cruise missile technology to Turkey. Which is backbone of nuclear project. Always something behind the scene ...
https://www.turkishminute.com/2017/08/07/opinion-is-erdogans-turkey-after-nuclear-weapons/

Also 2006 quote


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Undersecretariat for Defense industries website announced that Pakistan will join Turkish MBT project to develop state of the art Turkish Battle Tank.

After Otokar, FNSS, MKEK, ASELSAN and HAVELSAN, the Pakistani firm producing the Al Khalid MBT will transfer the technological support for the production of advanced passive armor.

The Al Khalid, known for it's unique feature of automatic target tracking system used by the Tank is from the French MBT Leclerc. No other tanks have this feature. I also know that about 100 delegation large, Turkish engineers, politicians and businessmen traveled to Pakistan to discuss about defensive cooperation
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It is clear that Turkey would develop it's MBT with Pakistani assistance.
 
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Not but, Pakistan already gave cruise missile technology to Turkey. Which is backbone of nuclear project.
I heard this claim a lot in this forum yet never seen a convicting link to it.
@cabatli_53 can you shed some light to this issue? All i know is SOM Cuise Missile is own development of Tubitak-Sage and Roketsan but i would be happy to hear more about it.
 
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Not but, Pakistan already gave cruise missile technology to Turkey. Which is backbone of nuclear project. Always something behind the scene ...
https://www.turkishminute.com/2017/08/07/opinion-is-erdogans-turkey-after-nuclear-weapons/

Also 2006 quote


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Undersecretariat for Defense industries website announced that Pakistan will join Turkish MBT project to develop state of the art Turkish Battle Tank.

After Otokar, FNSS, MKEK, ASELSAN and HAVELSAN, the Pakistani firm producing the Al Khalid MBT will transfer the technological support for the production of advanced passive armor.

The Al Khalid, known for it's unique feature of automatic target tracking system used by the Tank is from the French MBT Leclerc. No other tanks have this feature. I also know that about 100 delegation large, Turkish engineers, politicians and businessmen traveled to Pakistan to discuss about defensive cooperation
. "

It is clear that Turkey would develop it's MBT with Pakistani assistance.


Big joke...

Ther is zero ToT from Pakistan to Turkey... And that tank is a licence production of China.
 
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Big joke...

Ther is zero ToT from Pakistan to Turkey... And that tank is a licence production of China.
I think its exchange of technology , not the whole finished product. Pakistan bought different senors and other equipment for tanks and obviously Turkey also show interest in Pakistani equipment too.
 
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Turkey played Saudis like a fiddle...they knew everything and just let the regime lie itself and destroys its reputation.
 
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Religion at a personal level, yes it does not matter but Religion at a Nation/country/government level, Yes it does matter.
no it does not matter let ask you what was Pakistan help to KSA adventure in Yemen ? the answer is just a retired general when KSA asked for more Pakistan Parliament said that general is far more than enough and made it clear that KSA can't expect any more .
what was Malaysia or Indonesia or India contribution ,nothing .
NATO is not going to protect Turkey. Turks and Persians are better off under Russian, Chinese or Pakistan's Umbrella.
there is so much at stake here ,so be assured if any country start a war with turkey and turkey activate the defense part of the treaty they are gonna help
 
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