Anguish slips through Chinese censors on PLA losses

[Raphael]

Whether it's Cinderella, Snow White, or Ajit Baba and the 43 Chinese Casualties, whatever fairy tale helps Hindus sleep at night is fine with me

 

[Viva_Viet]

Whether it's Cinderella, Snow White, or Ajit Baba and the 43 Chinese Casualties, whatever fairy tale helps Hindus sleep at night is fine with me

U will be sleepless when India slap 50% tariff on CN products, making millions Cnese like u jobless

 

[scorpionx]

It took the Chinese thirty two long years to reveal (through declassified documents) their actual casualties in '62 war. Where as, Indians declared their casualty figures within three years and engraved the names of the fallen on India gate in 1965. Psyche of the two countries are quite obviously way different when it comes to transparency. For Indians, it is a country of debate, arguments and counter arguments where as on its East, silence is taken as a golden instrument for psychological warfare.

 

[grey boy 2]

Last time i checked, "PLA casualty report being intercepted" and NOW "Weibo forum chat leaks"
I learnt something new everyday LOL

It took the Chinese thirty two long years to reveal (through declassified documents) their actual casualties in '62 war. Where as, Indians declared their casualty figures within three years and engraved their names on India gate in 1965. Psyche of the two countries are quite obviously way different when it comes to transparency.

Yes, so true, Chinese should not refused to release the "Henderson Brooks-Bhagat report on the India-China war of 1962"
Modi govt refuses to release 'top secret' 1962 India-China war report

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/nor...government-jawaharlal-nehru-199728-2014-07-08

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

It's a bit much to hold a memorial service when your only casualties are soldiers with tennis elbow from swinging makeshift maces into Indiots' thick skulls.

 

[Dungeness]

It took the Chinese thirty two long years to reveal (through declassified documents) their actual casualties in '62 war. Where as, Indians declared their casualty figures within three years and engraved the names of the fallen on India gate in 1965. Psyche of the two countries are quite obviously way different when it comes to transparency. For Indians, it is a country of debate, arguments and counter arguments where as on its East, silence is taken as a golden instrument for psychological warfare.

58 years since 1962, and the results derived from two different national psyches are starting to show. By the way, Henderson Report is still kept secrete for a transparent, democratic India, wondering why.

 

[Beast]

Singapore
June 22, 2020
UPDATED: June 22, 2020 08:26 IST

File photo of a joint military exercise of Indian and Chinese troops (Photo Credits: PTI)

As Beijing continues to withhold official information about its casualties in the deadly June 15 face-off with India, Chinese citizens are expressing their frustration over the lack of reporting about the losses.

An open-source analysis of Chinese social-media platforms shows how the citizens have poured their anguish over Beijing's tight regulations online.

Unlike China, the Indian democracy has announced it lost 20 of its soldiers in the hand-to-hand combat with the Chinese troops in the Galwan Valley.

For the families, friends of the PLA soldiers posted in the region, and the ordinary citizens of China alike the situation is still shrouded in mystery.

Their online outpourings, some of them subtle for apparent fears of consequences, suggest they are growing anxious as official statements neither confirm nor deny casualties from the June 15 fighting.

Chinese Netizens Pour It Out on Weibo

Weibo is China's own Twitter. An analysis of communications happening on the micro-blogging site reveals that the Chinese citizens are mostly sharing Indian images, news articles and videos linked to the Galwan Valley clash.

Neither the Chinese state-controlled media nor the government have gone on the record to explain the bloody event in detail.

Let us look at some of the comments with translations:

Chinese netizens demand transparency when it comes to PLA casualties or injuries. They would rather appreciate India for keeping its public up to speed on the losses.

"India has held a memorial service for the sacrificial soldiers. It shows the high respect and attention of the whole country of India to the soldiers who defend the country and the land," a Chinese Weibo user posted on June 19. "It shows the high degree of solidarity of the Indian nation. What about us? We should learn from India and show respect to our soldiers. Why don’t we openly hold memorial services for the soldiers who died? What? 0 deaths of the PLA? Have the injured been transported? Excuse me?"

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The Chinese soldiers are strictly banned from divulging any information to family or friends. This seems to have resulted in a lot of uncertainty with regards to their whereabouts and well-being.

"I have been concerned about the situation between China and India since yesterday. From the videos and articles of overseas news, what I am most concerned about is our young soldiers of the People’s Liberation Army, whether there are casualties as no specific figures have been announced (India has announced the deaths of 20+ Indian soldiers with photos), our Chinese border guards and soldiers must be very young youths, having concerned parents, (very much in my heart)," read another Weibo post. "We patriots are even more worried about your comforting compatriots in the motherland and hope you are safe. You are the pride of our motherland! Thank you all!"

A few Chinese netizens are uncomfortable with some in the local social-media circles mocking the sacrifice of Indian soldiers.

"In the case of conflict with India, hundreds of soldiers are involved. Even if we have strict discipline and hard training, we are all flesh after all. It is estimated that many of our soldiers too have injuries," a Chinese netizen wrote. "Looking at those cheering and mocking at the Indian casualties, it makes me feel happy and sad. The families of these fighters must be very nervous now."

Upon two days after the Galwan Valley clash, the Chinese netizens started getting worried about PLA soldiers.

"Care is not flashy statements. It is about taking care of the needs of the soldiers and improving their training equipment," read a reply.

Relatives started posting online about their grievances, saying troops in the Ladakh region were not contactable.

"Soldiers and their families need to be taken care of well. The families will be very worried," said a note in Weibo thread.

"Very worried about the soldiers. No information on their well being. Families are very worried," read another.

Some posts slammed China's suppression of information and the country's domestic media for revealing too little about the situation.

"Just want to understand why the casualties of the People’s Liberation Army are not released but they are expected to sacrifice their lives for protection of the nation? Come on, China only play tricks on the outside and suppresses opinions on the inside," a Weibo handle read.

"The key is now who can believe and who will believe in the Chinese media. There is too much falsehood, and there is really not much credibility left. Whatever the domestic media is doing now is what foreign media outlets say," read another comment.

Keeping Public In the Dark

Predominantly, the exchange of messages on Weibo is all about how the Chinese government and media always keep the people in the dark.

This has been evident even during the Covid-19 breakout.

A Chinese doctor from Wuhan, Li Wenliang, was one of the first to issue the initial warnings about the spread of coronavirus in Wuhan.

He shared the suspicions on a private chat with his medical school graduates.

Rather than looking into the seriousness, Chinese authorities summoned Li and seven other doctors, and accused them of rumour mongering.

When Dr Li died at Wuhan in February after contracting the virus himself, Weibo got flooded with a wave of anger embodied in hashtags "Wuhan government owes Dr Li Wenliang and apology" and "We want freedom of speech".

Chinese authorities were quick to censor both hashtags and delete critical comments.

Given China's record in suppressing information, its citizens may have to wait longer for Beijing to disclose the losses from the June 15 incident, unless the establishment takes heed of growing resentment.

"The Chinese government indicated that there were not a lot of casualties and the Chinese casualties were lesser than that of India’s. The Indian public will put pressure on India to react, as there is democracy there," a Weibo user warned. "If our casualties are greater than those of the Indians, our public opinion will not be conducive for China."

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...osses-india-faceoff-ladakh-1691380-2020-06-22

Indiatoday media?
Lol... Nice pickup by OP.

The source is as good as trash. More like Indian getting humiliate and writing these self comforting article more like to cover it's wound.

 

[scorpionx]

58 years since 1962, and the results derived from two different national psyches are starting to show. By the way, Henderson Report is still kept secrete for a transparent, democratic India, wondering why.

Of course of course..releasing mere casualty figures definitely "prejudicially affect the sovereignty and integrity of your country, the security, strategic, scientific or economic interests of the State, relation with foreign State or lead to incitement of an offence.." No wonder you will always fail (deliberately or nondeliberately) to notice the difference between publishing a detailed military report and paying minimum respect to the fallen soldiers.

 

[ARMalik]

Singapore
June 22, 2020
UPDATED: June 22, 2020 08:26 IST

File photo of a joint military exercise of Indian and Chinese troops (Photo Credits: PTI)

As Beijing continues to withhold official information about its casualties in the deadly June 15 face-off with India, Chinese citizens are expressing their frustration over the lack of reporting about the losses.

An open-source analysis of Chinese social-media platforms shows how the citizens have poured their anguish over Beijing's tight regulations online.

Unlike China, the Indian democracy has announced it lost 20 of its soldiers in the hand-to-hand combat with the Chinese troops in the Galwan Valley.

For the families, friends of the PLA soldiers posted in the region, and the ordinary citizens of China alike the situation is still shrouded in mystery.

Their online outpourings, some of them subtle for apparent fears of consequences, suggest they are growing anxious as official statements neither confirm nor deny casualties from the June 15 fighting.

Chinese Netizens Pour It Out on Weibo

Weibo is China's own Twitter. An analysis of communications happening on the micro-blogging site reveals that the Chinese citizens are mostly sharing Indian images, news articles and videos linked to the Galwan Valley clash.

Neither the Chinese state-controlled media nor the government have gone on the record to explain the bloody event in detail.

Let us look at some of the comments with translations:

Chinese netizens demand transparency when it comes to PLA casualties or injuries. They would rather appreciate India for keeping its public up to speed on the losses.

"India has held a memorial service for the sacrificial soldiers. It shows the high respect and attention of the whole country of India to the soldiers who defend the country and the land," a Chinese Weibo user posted on June 19. "It shows the high degree of solidarity of the Indian nation. What about us? We should learn from India and show respect to our soldiers. Why don’t we openly hold memorial services for the soldiers who died? What? 0 deaths of the PLA? Have the injured been transported? Excuse me?"

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The Chinese soldiers are strictly banned from divulging any information to family or friends. This seems to have resulted in a lot of uncertainty with regards to their whereabouts and well-being.

"I have been concerned about the situation between China and India since yesterday. From the videos and articles of overseas news, what I am most concerned about is our young soldiers of the People’s Liberation Army, whether there are casualties as no specific figures have been announced (India has announced the deaths of 20+ Indian soldiers with photos), our Chinese border guards and soldiers must be very young youths, having concerned parents, (very much in my heart)," read another Weibo post. "We patriots are even more worried about your comforting compatriots in the motherland and hope you are safe. You are the pride of our motherland! Thank you all!"

A few Chinese netizens are uncomfortable with some in the local social-media circles mocking the sacrifice of Indian soldiers.

"In the case of conflict with India, hundreds of soldiers are involved. Even if we have strict discipline and hard training, we are all flesh after all. It is estimated that many of our soldiers too have injuries," a Chinese netizen wrote. "Looking at those cheering and mocking at the Indian casualties, it makes me feel happy and sad. The families of these fighters must be very nervous now."

Upon two days after the Galwan Valley clash, the Chinese netizens started getting worried about PLA soldiers.

"Care is not flashy statements. It is about taking care of the needs of the soldiers and improving their training equipment," read a reply.

Relatives started posting online about their grievances, saying troops in the Ladakh region were not contactable.

"Soldiers and their families need to be taken care of well. The families will be very worried," said a note in Weibo thread.

"Very worried about the soldiers. No information on their well being. Families are very worried," read another.

Some posts slammed China's suppression of information and the country's domestic media for revealing too little about the situation.

"Just want to understand why the casualties of the People’s Liberation Army are not released but they are expected to sacrifice their lives for protection of the nation? Come on, China only play tricks on the outside and suppresses opinions on the inside," a Weibo handle read.

"The key is now who can believe and who will believe in the Chinese media. There is too much falsehood, and there is really not much credibility left. Whatever the domestic media is doing now is what foreign media outlets say," read another comment.

Keeping Public In the Dark

Predominantly, the exchange of messages on Weibo is all about how the Chinese government and media always keep the people in the dark.

This has been evident even during the Covid-19 breakout.

A Chinese doctor from Wuhan, Li Wenliang, was one of the first to issue the initial warnings about the spread of coronavirus in Wuhan.

He shared the suspicions on a private chat with his medical school graduates.

Rather than looking into the seriousness, Chinese authorities summoned Li and seven other doctors, and accused them of rumour mongering.

When Dr Li died at Wuhan in February after contracting the virus himself, Weibo got flooded with a wave of anger embodied in hashtags "Wuhan government owes Dr Li Wenliang and apology" and "We want freedom of speech".

Chinese authorities were quick to censor both hashtags and delete critical comments.

Given China's record in suppressing information, its citizens may have to wait longer for Beijing to disclose the losses from the June 15 incident, unless the establishment takes heed of growing resentment.

"The Chinese government indicated that there were not a lot of casualties and the Chinese casualties were lesser than that of India’s. The Indian public will put pressure on India to react, as there is democracy there," a Weibo user warned. "If our casualties are greater than those of the Indians, our public opinion will not be conducive for China."

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...osses-india-faceoff-ladakh-1691380-2020-06-22

Indian Fraudsters and their gigantic lies - what a surprise. Look at who is reporting it - INDIA TODAY. Republic of India should be renamed to "Republic of Fraudsters".
.

 

[Dungeness]

Of course of course..releasing mere casualty figures definitely "prejudicially affect the sovereignty and integrity of your country, the security, strategic, scientific or economic interests of the State, relation with foreign State or lead to incitement of an offence.." No wonder you will always fail (deliberately or nondeliberately) to notice the difference between publishing a detailed military report and paying minimum respect to the fallen soldiers.

Just because you are not aware of it, doesn't mean Chinese waited "32 years" to honor their fallen soldiers. Here is for you, 1962 Sino-India Border War Ye Cheng Memorial, built in 1965

 

[sinait]

It happened in Hampantota. It's happening on the Makran Coast as well.

Galwan valley showed us India the MILITARY COWARD.
So you are telling me India is a FINACIAL COWARD.

No Risk No Gain, Simple.
Don't blame others if you found out the hard way that your country is
STUPID IN FINACIAL INVESTMENTS.
India waiting for the US to colonize India so no need to borrow money for development.

https://invoice-funding.co.uk/reasons-businesses-borrow-money/
Successful businesses spot opportunities in the market and borrow the funds they need to seize the moment.
.

 

[sinait]

Yes, so true, Chinese should not refused to release the "Henderson Brooks-Bhagat report on the India-China war of 1962"
Modi govt refuses to release 'top secret' 1962 India-China war report

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/nor...government-jawaharlal-nehru-199728-2014-07-08

The Henderson Brooks-Bhagat report will REVEAL that South Tibet, Aksai Chin and Ladakh ALL BELONG TO CHINA.
That is the ONLY REASON India the NEW COLONIZER refused to release this report after 60 years.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/nor...government-jawaharlal-nehru-199728-2014-07-08
Modi govt refuses to release 'top secret' 1962 India-China war report
In a written reply to Rajya Sabha MP H.K. Dua,
Defence Minister Arun Jaitley, who once demanded that the Henderson Brooks-Bhagat report on the India-China war of 1962 be made public,
said the release of the classified document "would not be in national interest".
.

 

[scorpionx]

Just because you are not aware of it, doesn't mean Chinese waited "32 years" to honor their fallen soldiers. Here is for you, 1962 Sino-India Border War Ye Cheng Memorial, built in 1965

I am not going to stretch this arguement any further. China disclosed the number of total casualties (that in a battle it supposedly won) after 32 years. That says a lot to me.

 

[sinait]

I am not going to stretch this arguement any further. China disclosed the number of total casualties (that in a battle it supposedly won) after 32 years. That says a lot to me.

That says a lot for the PATIENCE of the Chinese who don't RUN THEIR MOUTH like the Indians do.
See ALL THE INDIAN LIES coming out of India with regards to Galwan Valley Clash?
I suspect LYING is in the DNA of INDIANS same as their US DADDY POMPEO of "We LIED, We CHEAT, We STOLE" fame.
.

 

[scorpionx]

That says a lot for the PATIENCE of the Chinese who don't RUN THEIR MOUTH like the Indians do.
See ALL THE INDIAN LIES coming out of India with regards to Galwan Valley Clash?
I suspect LYING is in the DNA of INDIANS same as their US DADDY POMPEO of "We LIED, We CHEAT, We STOLE" fame.
.

Calm down. Writing in capital does not make you look smarter or convincing either. India has thousand media outlets, tens of thousands of differing voices. This is how system works here.

 

[Dungeness]

I am not going to stretch this arguement any further. China disclosed the number of total casualties (that in a battle it supposedly won) after 32 years. That says a lot to me.

I don't know when the Chinese fatality number was released, but it was all over internet when I got interested in the topic many years ago, 722.

I have no idea why you Indians are so obsessed with China's fatality number, as it really has nothing to do with the outcome of the war. IMO, what's important is the root cause of the war so that younger generation can learn from the history and avoid making the same mistake, such as recent Galwan incident. That's why I don't understand GoI's reasoning behind the refusal of disclosure of Henderson Report.

A few years ago when I first joined PDF, almost every Indian member here was talking about "China Backstabbing", but now they know it was the "Forward Policy" that provoked the war. Should we say Indians have been lied to and fooled by GoI and Indian media for all these years? Is India repeating the same mistake of 1962?

By the way, is Maxwell's "India's China War" still banned in India?