Angela Merkel calls for 'loyalty' from German Turks

[flamer84]

Chancellor Angela Merkel made a new statement addressing fears among her conservative supporters about the divided loyalties of German Turks, a debate that has escalated in the aftermath of the attempted military coup against President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

"Of those people of Turkish origin who have been living in Germany a long time, we expect them to develop a high degree of loyalty to our country," the chancellor told the "Passauer Neue Presse," a Bavarian newspaper. "In exchange we will try to keep an open ear to their concerns and to understand them."

Referring to a recent and much criticized pro-Erdogan rally that brought thousands of German Turksto the streets of Cologne to oppose the coup, Merkel took a similar line: "The freedom of opinion and demonstration applies in Germany to everyone who lives here, but of course everyone has to express their differences peacefully." There was no violence at the rally, which, though organized by representatives of the Erdogan administration, also included some opposition speakers.

The conservative wing of Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU) - often represented by its Bavarian sibling party, the Christian Social Union (CSU) - has recently reignited Germany's endless debate about the cultural assimilation of Turkish and Arab communities. As well as renewed calls for a ban on the burqa and the niqab, several politicians have called for the abolition of dual citizenship so as to force people with mixed parentage to choose which country they belong to.

http://www.dw.com/en/angela-merkel-calls-for-loyalty-from-german-turks/a-19496043

 

[SarthakGanguly]

What a level of political bankruptcy.

 

[XILLAX]

Loyality my *** first of all the goverment should stop supporting Terrorist against Turkey maybe after that we can talking about loyality

 

[flamer84]

Loyality my *** first of all the goverment should stop supporting Terrorist against Turkey maybe after that we can talking about loyality

German citizens should owe loyalty to their country.Anything else makes them just a fifth column.

 

[CrimsonFury]

Hilarious

 

[Steve781]

Dual citizenship shouldn't be allowed anywhere. Especially if you're a political figure.

 

[xenon54 out]

Turks have been loyal to Germany in those 5 decades they have been living there, they never harmed the German state, never terrorised anyone, worked and paid their taxes, Turkish Companies and businesses provide jobs to thousands, Turkish students contributing to German socieity.

All this while pkk can operate more or less freely there who in return kill the relatives of those Turks back in Turkey.
Its not that easy to say ''when you are living in Germany then you shouldnt care whats happening in Turkey''

So let me ask you a question, what exactly did the Turks do to deserve such populistic phrases?

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

So let me ask you a question, what exactly did the Turks do to deserve such populistic phrases?

Something like that maybe...

https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/friedrichshain-kreuzberg/ausschreitungen-in-kreuzberg-zwischen-kurden-und-tuerken

...and this happen not only in Berlin, but also in Stuttgart, Köln and Hamburg for example.

Don`t misunderstand me, it`s bad for our public order but i understand the turks. What i don`t understand why german citizens with turkish origin take care of this, what happen down, it should not be their business. Regardless who is killing who in Turkey and vicinity. Obviously who take the german citizenship has the will to live his life here in Germany and that means that he has to adapt to his new environment and should be used to take the chance to cut the old conflicts. And Merkel demand this only from german-turks, not from all turks.

Btw, you are are right, maybe we are let the pkk operating more or less but the same also applies to Ditib.

 

[CrimsonFury]

Start cracking down on PKK and I'm sure your offer will be taken seriously Frau Merkel. Until then, find a new airbase for your boys

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

Start cracking down on PKK and I'm sure your offer will be taken seriously Frau Merkel. Until then, find a new airbase for your boys

No problem, we wanted never to go there, the military worth can be called a joke (what can the tornadoes recon, which the americans cannot do better and faster) and the political hickhack is yet a greater joke.

Btw, it seems the first German politician demanded the withdrawal today, therefore you will be rid of us soon.

 

[xenon54 out]

Something like that maybe...

https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/friedrichshain-kreuzberg/ausschreitungen-in-kreuzberg-zwischen-kurden-und-tuerken

...and this happen not only in Berlin, but also in Stuttgart, Köln and Hamburg for example.

Don`t misunderstand me, it`s bad for our public order but i understand the turks. What i don`t understand why german citizens with turkish origin take care of this, what happen down, it should not be their business. Regardless who is killing who in Turkey and vicinity. Obviously who take the german citizenship has the will to live his life here in Germany and that means that he has to adapt to his new environment and should be used to take the chance to cut the old conflicts. And Merkel demand this only from german-turks, not from all turks.

Btw, you are are right, maybe we are let the pkk operating more or less but the same also applies to Ditib.

As said those people have relatives in Turkey ofcourse they care about whats happening there, someone i knew from my neighbor village died this summer in the hands of pkk, i attended his funeral, should i not care because im not living there?
Besides its much more than that, pkk thugs often attack Turkish businesses since they cant collect money for pkk from them, happened a dozen times in my city, its not that easy as you think.

Another question is, what has ditib done wrong, the fact that there was not a single Turkish mosque becoming a jihadist breeding ground is only thanks to the regulation throught ditib, a little bit more appreciation would be nice.

 

[CrimsonFury]

No problem, we wanted never to go there, the military worth can be called a joke (what can the tornadoes recon, which the americans cannot do better and faster) and the political hickhack is yet a greater joke.

Btw, it seems the first German politician demanded the withdrawal today, therefore you will be rid of us soon.

Good, I didn't understand why you'd waste money on recon flights anyway...

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

As said those people have relatives in Turkey ofcourse they care about whats happening there, someone i knew from my neighbor village died this summer in the hands of pkk, i attended his funeral, should i not care because im not living there?
Besides its much more than that, pkk thugs often attack Turkish businesses since they cant collect money for pkk from them, happened a dozen times in my city, its not that easy as you think.

I agree it`s not easy and i would do the devil and forbid anyone to care about his relatives, but this don`t mean to take the battle on the street. We have authorities for this.

Another question is, what has ditib done wrong, the fact that there was not a single Turkish mosque becoming a jihadist breeding ground is only thanks to the regulation throught ditib, a little bit more appreciation would be nice.

Yes, ditib did great in this case but on the other side, it`s a turkish ministerium with a turkish agenda. An Agenda which doesn`t coincide necessarily with the German. Any turk at this forum explain to rest of PDF the dangers of the Gülen movement. I learn with your, sinan and crimsonfury`s help something more about this movement...and Germany shall allow something like that within his borders now? I understand that the Gülen movement was a fifth column, but ditib smells the same.

Good, I didn't understand why you'd waste money on recon flights anyway...

No one did, but you know, the political pressure to do something, no matter how stupid it is.

 

[CrimsonFury]

I agree it`s not easy and i would do the devil and forbid anyone to care about his relatives, but this don`t mean to take the battle on the street.


Yes, ditib did great in this case but on the other side, it`s a turkish ministerium with a turkish agenda. An Agenda which doesn`t coincide necessarily with the German. Any turk at this forum explain to rest of PDF the dangers of the Gülen movement. I learn with your, sinan and crimsonfury`s help something more about this movement...and Germany shall allow something like that within his borders now? I understand that the Gülen movement was a fifth column, but ditib smells the same.


No one did, but you know, the political pressure to do something, no matter how stupid it is.

Ditib won't hijack your euro fighters to bomb the Bundestag and wouldn't send the KSK after mama merkels head (Gulenists did this an much more in Turkey on the 15th of July). They are a pro-Turkish lobby group which is normal as millions of ethnic Turks live there and lobbying isn't illegal. Now you will then what is wrong with pro PKK lobbying, the problem is the PKK is a terror organization while the Turkish Republic is a legit country

 

[xenon54 out]

Yes, ditib did great in this case but on the other side, it`s a turkish ministerium with a turkish agenda. An Agenda which doesn`t coincide necessarily with the German. Any turk at this forum explain to rest of PDF the dangers of the Gülen movement. I learn with your, sinan and crimsonfury`s help something more about this movement...and Germany shall allow something like that within his borders now? I understand that the Gülen movement was a fifth column, but ditib smells the same.

Ditib is a registered association in Germany since 1984, its main purpose is recruiting imams from Turkey who get a course on German language and culture in Ankara before being sent to Germany, this is coordinated with German state together.
They never had a conflict with German state as far as i remember.

You cant compare them to Gülen network since they dont have anything commercial to even fund anything similar as gülen network that had own media organizations, olympiads, thousands of companies and private schools.
Im pretty sure Ditib is being colsely monitored by German state itself, otherwise they wouldnt have so many cooperation and events together.

And also comparing to pkk is not appropriate to put it mildly, pkk is a designated terror organization, also in Germany.