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The Parsis, who fled Iran in the face of the country's Muslim conversion centuries ago, settled across India and Pakistan. But in recent years, the prominent Karachi religious minority is declining, to the portion where the community may totally disappear.

It isn’t easy these days being a Parsi.

The Parsis are a community of Zoroastrians that settled in South Asia. They are followers of the religion of ancient Persia.

In Pakistan they are concentrated mostly in the port city of Karachi. They have made quite a remarkable impact on the metropolis, but the small Parsi community in Karachi is in decline.

And yet, it’s just a drop in the ocean of a city that has a total population of over 14 million.

Zane Byramji and Tashan Mistree’s are a 20-something Parsi couple now living in Karachi. Five years ago, they met at an international Zoroastrian youth event in Australia.

“I didn’t want to go at first,” Byramji said. “I was pretty hesitant because I thought it was more focused on religion than anything else. I wanted to make a holiday out of it."

Instead, or perhaps in addition, he met the woman he calls Tash.

“We don’t have arranged marriages, but we have a lot of pressure coming from parents and friends,” Byramji said.

Mistree said families push to get kids hitched.

“We always say the grandmas and the aunties all have a club. And they are all kind of in cohort together and try to hook people up,” she said.

Byramji was born and raised in Karachi. He went to Canada for college and now works at his family’s brokerage firm. Mistree was born in Washington, D.C., and was living across the border in Mumbai, India before their marriage.

“I didn’t realize it would really work out because a week after the congress we met in Melbourne,” Byramji said. “And from there we started talking and we flew back to India and Pakistan, and then spoke on the plane for ten hours and decided to be in a relationship.”

They got married in Mumbai last year. Mistree moved to Karachi to live with Byramji.

Her move comes at a time when the population of Parsis in Pakistan is dwindling. There are now fewer than 1,700, down from more than 7,000 several decades ago, mostly in Karachi.

The Parsi community is defined largely by their adherence to the Zoroastrian religion — the religion of ancient Persia.

Sometimes they are referred to as “fire-worshippers” because of the central role that fire plays in their rituals. Their temples each have a consecrated fire that burns continuously — some of the fires have been kept alive for centuries.

In a community center in Karachi, priests gather around a small fire, reciting a prayer in an ancient dialect of Persian. The priests wear masks covering their mouths and noses so that the fire is not desecrated by their breath or saliva.

According to tradition, a group of Zoroastrians arrived in South Asia more than a thousand years ago, fleeing the Muslim conquest of Persia. The community prospered, especially as merchants.

The Parsi community in Karachi has always been a small minority, but it’s left an unmistakable legacy. One of the most celebrated mayors of Karachi was a Parsi, serving for twelve years. Local buildings and schools named after prominent Parsi businessmen *** the old city.

But this legacy is at risk.

Parsis have a lower birthrate than the national average. And there’s more and more intermarriage. So Mistree and Byramji’s families were relieved that they were each Parsis.

Another major reason for the dwindling population in Karachi is migration to Western countries. Byramji says the majority of his relatives now live in the West – mostly in the United States, Canada or the United Kingdom.

“Everyone has left the country,” he said. “I wouldn’t even say that 10 percent are here now, and I would say 50 percent left in my lifetime.”

In recent years, the motivation to leave Pakistan has been compounded by the extremely volatile political and security conditions, a sentiment reflected among both the young and old in the community.

Alla Rustomji, a 55-year-old home-maker, says she would be happy to stay in Pakistan for the rest of her life, except for her children.

“They are in their early 20s,” she said. “I am not very happy at all. I would like the first opportunity to get them out of the country. I’m sorry to say, though I love Pakistan, and I would like them to be here, but I do not see a very good future for them.”

More than half the Parsi population in Karachi now is over 50. The local clergy is aging, without anyone to replace them.

“At our fire temple, we have three priests. Two of them are more than 80 years old,” said Shahveer Byramji, Zane Byramji’s uncle and a managing trustee of one of the two fire temples in the city.

He says the only trained Zoroastrian priests are in India, and they say they won’t move to Pakistan “for all the money in the world.”

Given the rate at which the population is declining, Shahveer Byramji says it’s entirely possible that there soon won’t be a Parsi presence in Karachi.

“Let’s face it, we are a declining population. There’s not much we can do about it, except for openly converting, which we’re all against," Shahveer Byramji said. "So, it’s a fact of life that we’re a dying breed and let’s just try to do the best we can with what we have.”

Even for Tashan Mistree and Zane Byramji, the prospect of leaving Karachi hasn't been ruled out.

Over the generations their families have moved from Iran, through India and Pakistan, to North America and Australia.

Making another move, they say, is something their stock is used to.

“We did it a thousand years ago, so its not so hard now,” Mistree said.

Ancient Persian religion on the decline in Pakistan | PRI.ORG
 
Poor Parsis.

No one feels bad for them.

Just keep making funny movies on them.
 
vsdoc- parsee's are themselves responsible for this. Start admitting children of parsee mothers as zoroastrian's would be a first start. Very surprised that an Indian parsee would agree to move to Pakistan! That is happening lesser and lesser since the last decade.
 
The Indian Parsi Priests cannot make an exception to at least come to Pakistan to preach to Pakistani Parsi congregations?? Of course there will be no Parsis left when they have nobody to run their temples in Pakistan they will be forced to move elsewhere which is a shame as they are a respected community in Karachi who run many successful businesses.

vsdoc- parsee's are themselves responsible for this. Start admitting children of parsee mothers as zoroastrian's would be a first start. Very surprised that an Indian parsee would agree to move to Pakistan! That is happening lesser and lesser since the last decade.

Where do you see that, it is saying they refuse to move and so their priests are aging with no one trained to replace them.
 
Where do you see that, it is saying they refuse to move and so their priests are aging with no one trained to replace them.
It also said that a female Indian Parsee went to Karachi after marrying a male Pakistani Parsee. The couple is now planning to move abroad.

I was wondering why an Indian would want to go and be in Pakistan. Earlier mostly Indian muslim women went to Pakistan after marriages - that was when Pakistan was equal or slightly ahead in growth/income/prosperity as well as security and safety. The subcontinent being a patriarchal society, so in almost all cases women have to move to their husbands home and not the other way round.

Since the last decade when opportunities are much more in India and a much better and stable environment, most Indian women are refusing/reducing marrying Pakistani men because they donot want to shift to Pakistan.

The Priests as quoted above have said no amount of money in the world can make them move to Pakistan. I was not talking about them.
 
vsdoc- parsee's are themselves responsible for this. Start admitting children of parsee mothers as zoroastrian's would be a first start. Very surprised that an Indian parsee would agree to move to Pakistan! That is happening lesser and lesser since the last decade.

My neighbour is married to a girl from Hyderabad, India, very lovely couple. She told me that she was extremely hesitant to move to Pakistan considering how Pakistan is portrayed in Indian media, but her mind changed after she came to visit the boy's family and saw how different Pakistan is in reality compared to what the Indian media portrays to brainwash the masses. Thus, i am not at all surprised that you are shocked.
 
Have more babies
I mean we can't force you to have kids?

Have more babies
I mean we can't force you to have kids?
 
I think those rich parsis like the owner of Murree Brewery or the owner of Awari towers should do something about this. They can surely do something about it.
 
My neighbour is married to a girl from Hyderabad, India, very lovely couple. She told me that she was extremely hesitant to move to Pakistan considering how Pakistan is portrayed in Indian media, but her mind changed after she came to visit the boy's family and saw how different Pakistan is in reality compared to what the Indian media portrays to brainwash the masses. Thus, i am not at all surprised that you are shocked.

I'm skeptical about your anecdote, Never recall Indian media or local Hyderabad media channels such as Tv9 or SaakshiTV mentioning internal problems in Pakistan like trouble in FATA, Baluchistan province, Khyber Paktunwala, Sindh etc or violence in Karachi , sectarian issues regarding Shias, Ahmediyas etc.
Indian media so far has only shown heavy focus on tip of the iceberg, i.e regarding Pakistani based terror groups and alleged support of ISI for certain entities in India.
 
My neighbour is married to a girl from Hyderabad, India, very lovely couple. She told me that she was extremely hesitant to move to Pakistan considering how Pakistan is portrayed in Indian media, but her mind changed after she came to visit the boy's family and saw how different Pakistan is in reality compared to what the Indian media portrays to brainwash the masses. Thus, i am not at all surprised that you are shocked.

As a matter of fact Indian media doesnt get into Pakistan's problems as mentioned by Syama. Its mostly India specific or something out of the ordinary.

I do know that many Muslim women from India do marry and move to Pakistan. But that number has been steadily decreasing over the last decade - to be more precise 2002 onwards.

What i found surprising is that a Parsee would agree to move to Pakistan - considering Pakistan's general religious extremism and low growth of economy coupled with bad security environment.
 
and who is responsible?????

is anyone in Pak controlling birth rate of parsis?
 
vsdoc- parsee's are themselves responsible for this. Start admitting children of parsee mothers as zoroastrian's would be a first start. Very surprised that an Indian parsee would agree to move to Pakistan! That is happening lesser and lesser since the last decade.

Bro I am of the conservative viewpoint on this - have discussed this at length on the Parsi thread.

If we start the intermingling of bloodlines, looking at our numbers, and the size of the denominator (Indian population), soon (within 2-3 generations max) there will be nothing recognizable left of the original Parsi bloodlines.

So we lose what we are trying to save. That is obviously not the answer.

The faith will survive. Once Iran starts reverting, even grow and eventually flourish.

The Jews came back from the brink. So will we.

But being Parsi is a very special balance. We are not at a stage where the community is willing to change what we have preserved for 1400 years.

Mixed-blood kids of even Parsi dads geting their Navjote is also not very common nor an ideal situation, even though the patriarchal lineage is technically allowed.

To be honest, those marrying out of the community are not the conservatives per se, and knowing the community stand on this they are under no illusions - so girl or boy, bringing the kids up the Zoroastrian way is anyways not top priority, even if it would be welcome were the option there.

P.S. The article says nothing of an Indian Parsi moving to Pakistan. It says that the Pakistani community has often tried, but no Indian Parsi is willing in spite of any amount of money offered.
 
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