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If muslims were selling pictures of Allah and Muhammad for 1 ruppee, then it is acceptable for artists to paint their own pictures of them...By commercialising images of Hindu and Christian Gods, they have invited artists to make their own interpretations...

Indian official position and Courts ruling have been pointed out in my other thread, Secularism does not mean one should allow sentiments of particular religion to be hurt. Such artiste have to face wrath of the people even though government does provide them protection.
 
they have invited artists to make their own interpretations...

Were the "own" interpretations of the Denmark artists acceptable?

I guess not.
 
Mf.Hussain did not do anything that has not already happened in India.

How many temples are there with nude figurines of gods and goddesses, some in poses of copulation? If a person who happens to be a muslim continues art in the same regard, you have a problem with it? If he happened to be hindu, you would have feted him instead.

So much for your religious distinction. Here you go

Baroda: Art student's work stirs up religious controversy

Binoy Valsan in Mumbai | May 10, 2007 | 19:53 IST

The Vishwa Hindu Parishad and other Hindu religious organisations have always been grumbling about the government's 'minority appeasement tactics' and 'special' privileges showered upon the minority vote bank across the country.

But a student artist in Baroda seems to have bridged the gap between VHP leaders and their Christian counterparts with his work, though not in a positive manner.

Chandra Mohan, a final year Master of Visual Arts�student at The Maharaja Sayajirao University�was arrested by Sayajiganj police from the university campus on Wednesday. He has been accused of hurting the religious sentiments of Christians and Hindus in the district.

Mohan -- who is originally from Andhra Pradesh -- has been placed under judicial custody at Baroda Central Prison until Friday afternoon, when his bail plea will come before the District Court.

The local Hindu and Christian religious brigades have rated his paintings of Shiv Linga, Goddess Durga and Jesus Christ as highly vulgar and objectionable. He has been booked under Section 153 (A) for promoting religious enmity and hurting religious sentiments with nefarious intentions like creating riots.

A group of VHP activists led by Niraj Jain, an advocate and a local VHP leader, barged into the university campus at around 3.30 pm on Wednesday, when the internal evaluation of the student works was being held. They allegedly manhandled Mohan and hurled abuses at the faculty members and other students.

They had tipped off the local police who were soon at the spot and took Mohan into custody, as he was 'a threat to the secular atmosphere of Baroda'.

"His paintings have hurt the religious sentiments of each and every person�in Baroda. As I am speaking to you, a huge crowd has assembled outside the court to know what will become of his bail plea, which will be heard soon. There are 10 parish priests and a number of Christian religious leaders also here along with me. Baroda is known for it's cultural heritage�and we will protect it any cost," said Niraj Jain, speaking to rediff.com over the telephone.

Rev Immanuel Kant, the district superintendent of the Methodist Church who was also present at the court, said,�"Our religion is all about forgiving but there is a limit. I have passed on the word to the Roman Catholic associations and the Parish Association also. Their representatives and 20 other pastors will be here soon. We are also planning to take out a protest rally in the city to voice our concern."

He also flayed Mohan for being 'a vulgar and insensitive person who dared to portray Lord Jesus in an extremely objectionable manner'.

Neeraj Jain repeatedly pointed out that there was no tension on campus as he had informed the police who acted quickly and took Mohan into custody.

"It was not at all an internal assessment or anything. In fact there were even reports about the exhibition in local papers. I just walked and pointed out the pictures to the police and that was it," reiterated Jain.

However Shivji Paniker, Dean�(In-charge) of MS University had a different version to narrate to rediff.com.

"This group -- led by a local goonda -- barged into the campus at around 3.30 pm. They were very aggressive. They threatened us and abused us in very foul language.�They also called police who came in and arrested our student. Now we are trying to file a counter FIR against them," said the Dean.

He also pointed out that cops are not supposed to enter a college campus unless called by the authorities. This matter in context was an internal one and was not concerned with any outsider, he added.

However when contacted, PC Thakur, Commissioner of Police, Baroda said the students and faculty members are not keen to press charges against Niraj Jain and others involved.

"They have not pressed for any charges against Niraj Jain. Nobody was manhandled. Mohan's works were extremely graphic and vulgar. In fact the Dean and other authorities were present when we did the panchnama," he added.

The CoP also added that police have been very cordial with Mohan and he has not been manhandled or badly treated in any manner.

When asked about police entering the campus, he said,�"In certain special situations we need not wait for the college authorities' permission. We had received information that the situation could spiral out of control and turn violent on campus."

The college authorities stuck to their version and have promised to extend fullest support to their student.

rediff.com has received a copy of the petition signed by the students of MS University addressed to the commissioner, asking him to lodge a counter FIR against Niraj Jain for disrupting university examination procedure, trespassing MSU premises, public nuisance, physically manhandling Chandra Mohan, provoking the mob and attempting to destroy university property.

"This was entirely an evaluation process where there was no need for any outsider to be involved. Anyway, we have removed the paintings," said Shivji Panikar.

However some eyewitnesses disagreed and informed rediff.com that Mohan was visibly shaken up and seemed to have been manhandled when they saw him at Sayajigunj police station.

"We got a tip-off about the obscene pictures and we just went in and took him into custody. Now the legal procedures are on," said DL Jhale, inspector, Sayajiganj police station.

Nobody contradicts that there are temples with nude figures etc. They are done in a bygone era where the Kings were more art loving people and have encouraged such things. I doubt, if any one can build a temple today with nude figures on it. Things have changed, people's sensibilities changed, which are influenced by current cultural thinking. So it has nothing to do with MF Hussain's religion.
 
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Were the "own" interpretations of the Denmark artists acceptable?

I guess not.

Now what if some people with extreme views start painting the gods of the Hussains religion to prove the point? Then what should be the governments reaction ? Obviously Indian government will act sternly against them.
But it is like unnecessarily creating controversy, But still India will be blamed for not being a Secular country.
 
The denmark cartoons would have been ok, if we as muslims had ourselves made the face and paintings of Muhammad into a commercial enterprise. You cannot expect to make paintings of your gods, and sculpurtes, and sell them as pictures, statues, and protect it from "artistic" sacrilege.

The day our mosques start selling pictures of Allah and Muhammad, that same day the whole world has the right to make cartoons of them.
 
The highbrow correctionists of Hindu behaviour have positioned themselves as certifiers of an acceptable norm in their vision of a secular India. They are busy in the old Communist jihadi practices of enlisting, delisting and blacklisting. Their reactions to a different view show it all. :coffee:
 
The denmark cartoons would have been ok, if we as muslims had ourselves made the face and paintings of Muhammad into a commercial enterprise. You cannot expect to make paintings of your gods, and sculpurtes, and sell them as pictures, statues, and protect it from "artistic" sacrilege.

The day our mosques start selling pictures of Allah and Muhammad, that same day the whole world has the right to make cartoons of them.

Making paintings and selling them is one thing. Making them in 'bad taste' and selling them as art is a whole different thing. I hope you get the difference.
 
hindus are welcome to engage in traditional "muslim" arts, like calligraphy, writing of shairi, naat, etc.
 
The denmark cartoons would have been ok, if we as muslims had ourselves made the face and paintings of Muhammad into a commercial enterprise. You cannot expect to make paintings of your gods, and sculpurtes, and sell them as pictures, statues, and protect it from "artistic" sacrilege.

The day our mosques start selling pictures of Allah and Muhammad, that same day the whole world has the right to make cartoons of them.

Can I say Muslims were Judgemental when it was cartoonist of Denmark ? Now what was general Islamic reaction to the news below ? no one heard much or it was because the news was from Iran ?

News number: 8705300937
14:57 | 2008-08-20

Iran Unveils Prophet Mohammad Painting

TEHRAN (FNA)- The Iranian city of Zanjan has unveiled the largest miniature painting, which portrays the Prophet Mohammad's (PBUH) ascent to heaven.
According to a press tv report, it took two years for the artist, Reza Najafi-Asl, to create the painting in the style of Iran's master miniaturist Mahmoud Farshchian.

The 32-year-old artist has used 70 acrylic colors to depict Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) sitting on a horse and three angels whirling around him.

Masoumeh Heidari has adorned the margin of the painting with illuminations, inspired by the work of the late illuminist, Haj Mirza Emami.

Fars News Agency :: Iran Unveils Prophet Mohammad Painting
 
The highbrow correctionists of Hindu behaviour have positioned themselves as certifiers of an acceptable norm in their vision of a secular India. They are busy in the old Communist jihadi practices of enlisting, delisting and blacklisting. Their reactions to a different view show it all. :coffee:

You are entitled to your opinion.
 
The denmark cartoons would have been ok, if we as muslims had ourselves made the face and paintings of Muhammad into a commercial enterprise. You cannot expect to make paintings of your gods, and sculpurtes, and sell them as pictures, statues, and protect it from "artistic" sacrilege.

The day our mosques start selling pictures of Allah and Muhammad, that same day the whole world has the right to make cartoons of them.

That's a completely arbitrary rule you've put up there.

I believe that there are certain rules and regulations that govern the construction of a mosque, or the printing of a quran. If we extend your idea to both the holy book and building, are we to believe that people are free to print whatever they wish and pass it off as a quran or build whatever they wish and pass it off as a mosque?

The point is that just like the text of the quran is sacred, so is the image of the hindu deity. There are rules for manufacturing both.
 
hindus are welcome to engage in traditional "muslim" arts, like calligraphy, writing of shairi, naat, etc.

Similarly Hussain and people of all religions are welcome to follow traditions of Hindu's or for that matter any Indian religion. But don't tread the dangerous path it will create problems for all. Painting Gods nude is not a norm or a tradition.
 
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