Amid Stalled Fighter Projects, Upgraded Mirage Cheers IAF

[Gabriel92]

One more pic :

 

[Abingdonboy]

@Gabriel92
My mistake, already posted.....

 

[airmarshal]

Does this upgrade also include in-flight refueling capability or Indian Mirages already had it?

 

[Georgeclark]

Does this upgrade also include in-flight refueling capability or Indian Mirages already had it?

It already had

 

[SipahSalar]

How does it compare to ROSE?

 

[Georgeclark]

How does it compare to ROSE?

Bro it compares to F 16 blk 52 and is only behind blk 60 due to 60's AESA radar, ROSE is not even near.

 

[Kinetic]

How does it compare to ROSE?

This is the latest mirage with newest technologies. And BVR missiles.

 

[magudi]

Awesome

 

[Taygibay]

Since no one completely answered poor @Kamal_dbk , let me point out the difference :

The UAE -9s have the same IT core as the Rafale in terms of computer power. ( Modular data processing unit )
What it means is that the integration of infos from sensors into the tactical "picture"
is higher on the Dash Nines than on even the Mk2-5. The rest of the electronics are the same.
In reverse however, the 9 were delivered with the RDY-2 but the Vajra gets the RDY-3.

Let me add however that I'm only 90% sure of what I just said so that ideally you guys should
ask @halloweene ( @Abingdonboy could do that ) to confirm this as his infos are better than mine.

Hope it helps, Tay.

 

[MICA]

@Taygibay thanks man btw is the RDY-2 has more range than the RDY-3 ?

 

[Taygibay]

YVW @Kamal_dbk The sales literature from Thales says
long range for the dash2 and very long range for the RDY-3. To get an idea of the difference in
terms of Nm per same value of RCS, the best would be to fly both which sadly I haven't done.

The most important features IMHoO are SAR, Terrain avoidance & Multiple lock and firing on the RDY-3.
Then again, that depends on what the user does with the plane. Low penetration = Terrain avoidance.
More air to air = multiple targeting firing + range and SAR helps recon-intel or more precise bombing.

Here are the docs available to the public.
RDY-2 - airborne fire control radar - Thales
RDY-3 - airborne fire control radar | Thales Group

Good evening mate, Tay.

 

[MICA]

YVW @Kamal_dbk The sales literature from Thales says
long range for the dash2 and very long range for the RDY-3. To get an idea of the difference in
terms of Nm per sam of RCS, the best would be to fly both which sadly I haven't done.

The most important features IMHoO are SAR, Terrain avoidance & Multiple lock and firing on the RDY-3.
Then again, that depends on what the user does with the plane. Low penetration = Terrain avoidance.
More air to air = multiple targeting firing + range and SAR helps recon-intel or more precise bombing.

Here are the docs available to the public.
RDY-2 - airborne fire control radar - Thales
RDY-3 - airborne fire control radar | Thales Group

Good evening mate, Tay.

thanks my new helpful friend @Taygibay it's a pleasure knowing you , i am just comparing because i feel that we can own someday the uae dash 9 mirage i want to know which will be better for us to upgrade ours to the same level like the new indian one or just take the dash 9 without any upgrades but you was helpful enough

 

[Taygibay]

You caught me answering someone else before leaving @Kamal_dbk .
Honestly, I think Egypt would go for more Rafales if you guys got more "toys".
Upgrading dash9s with RDY-3 would be for some one else, I believe.

See you tomorrow my friend, may God keep you and yours safe until then, Tay

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

Amid stalled fighter projects, upgraded Mirage cheers IAF

Upgraded Mirage 2000 of IAF ​

NEW DELHI: Faced with huge delays in clinching new fighter projects even as it grapples with fast-eroding air combat power, IAF finally has some reason to cheer. The force will get its first two upgraded Mirage-2000 fighters with new avionics and weapons this week.

The defence ministry says France will hand over the two "almost new" Mirage fighters to the project management teams of IAF and Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) on March 25. "Our teams are in Istres to take the delivery. The next two jets will be upgraded by HAL in India with French assistance," said an official.

The remaining 47 Mirages, which were first inducted by India in the mid-1980s, will then be progressively souped up by HAL with technology transfer from France under the overall Rs 17,547 crore programme finalized in 2011-2012.

"The upgraded Mirages have been stripped down and virtually re-built with state-of-the-art avionics, radars, mission computers, glass cockpits, helmet-mounted displays, electronic warfare suites and long-range missiles. IAF will be able to operate them for another 15-20 years," the official added.

India has gone in for a mix of upgrades and inductions like Sukhoi-30MKIs - IAF has till now inducted 200 of the 272 Russian fighters contracted for over $12 billion -- to maintain its operational readiness against China and Pakistan.

But it continues to take a big hit with the delay in new fighter projects, even as the obsolete MiG fleets are being progressively retired. As reported earlier by TOI, both the $20 billion MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) project for 126 French Rafale fighters and the $25 billion one for 127 Russian FGFA (fifth-generation fighter aircraft) are still nowhere near being clinched.

"The indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft project is also running years behind schedule. Numbers do eventually matter. IAF should ideally have 44 fighter squadrons, instead of the 34 it is currently has," said an officer.

The Mirage upgrade project, under which India has inked two separate contracts, itself has faced flak for being so expensive. The first upgrade programme was finalized at Rs 10,947 crore with French companies Dassault Aviation (aircraft manufacturer) and Thales (weapons systems integrator) in July 2011.

The second Rs 6,600 crore contract for 490 advanced fire-and-forget MICA (interception and aerial combat missiles) systems to arm the Mirages was finalized with French armament major MBDA in early-2012.

In effect, each upgraded Mirage will cost Rs 345 crore. This when the last batch of Mirages bought by India in 2000 cost Rs 133 crore apiece. Moreover, it will take HAL almost a decade to upgrade all the fighters.​

Source:- Amid stalled fighter projects, upgraded Mirage cheers IAF - The Times of India

 

[CONNAN]

@waz @Oscar please merge

The first modernised Mirage 2000 took off from Bordeaux