Altay & Turkish Main Battle Tank Programs

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Why don't you blame Otokar, since they designed the tank? But instead people here will find an excuse to blame BMC. All you Otokar fans, please answer the question or remain silent with your propaganda in future.

It was a mismanaged project from the start, I have no doubt there will be a solution - but SSM dropped the ball on this one, contingencies should have been made in accordance with critical systems, relying on a single source for an engine was a complete blunder.

 

[UkroTurk]

Also, I think that the experiences with the leopard 2 in Syria was a wake-up call for the army and they decided that ammo storage in the hull is a no-no. This is why the later tranches of the Altay will most probably will be a completely different tank to the first tranches. This takes time and explains the delays in production other than engine availability and nepotism. The production delay comes in handy to have a new tank design ready for production when the first tranches are completed in the future.

The Altay would behave not differently to the leopard 2 post-penetration wise

Yet You are spreading terrorist propagand, little rats dont have any guts and possibilities against mighty Turkish Army.

 

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Yet You are spreading terrorist propagand, little rats dont have any guts and possibilities against mighty Turkish Army.

You may not like your destroyed tanks, but i'm stating facts here and pointing out the flaws of mbt's. Any mbt designed that doesn't need a robotic loader because the rounds are light enough for a human, without having ammo compartmentalization like the M1 Abrams is a stupid design. Turkey can be the second country to design such a tank but it needs self-reflection and accept truth and logic.

What use does a shiny new tank have if it behaves like any soviet T-series tank post-penetration?

 

[xbat]

never saw it before

 

[AerospaceTech]

Why don't you blame Otokar, since they designed the tank? But instead people here will find an excuse to blame BMC. All you Otokar fans, please answer the question or remain silent with your propaganda in future.

Is there any reason to blame Otokar? Turkish Army Forces want to use MTU engine and they designed ALTAY according to requirements not they wish.

 

[Timur]

Turkish Army Forces want to use MTU engine

compleate fools they thought germans are like koreans..

our koreans allies behaved like brothers no cheating no delaying no filthy games! thank you korea! I cant say it often.. thats why I always say prefer korea in economics we should do more work with them..

our people are ignorants to a high degree.. and ignorance is high valued charackter in our society.. I said it often we should have started an engine when we had started the altay project and not that stupid approach with another german state like österreich(I shaked my head to the left and right as I heared german engine no approach to make an own than they come up with cooperation and again I shaked my head and thought will there ever be something good that will come out of this)..

now they would tell us this: "who could have ever thought that they would do such a thing to us?" and my reply is did you ever listen to the people living there? "they would rather sell their mothers instead of giving up their priviliged stance"

if something is to blame than not otokar or bmc its the desicions makers the military and other idiots with high noses and big open pockets...

 

[UzaySan]

Because Altay completely designed on MTU engine and Rheinmetall transmission system. We didn't use the engine and transmission system as a part, instead we used them as core then engineers placed other systems around them. Also ALTAY is a heavy tank which needs a powerful engine. 1500 hp engine is just enough, 1200 hp can not deal with the ALTAY.

And It not only Horse Power. Altay also requires High tork. German engine has over 5000 tork while ukranian equalivents has below 3000. İf we want altay to be "çevik, atik,hızlı" we need high tork.

Please correct me, I remember that the MTU engine on ALTAY isn't 1500 hp. It limited via software for this purpose. Actually without engine change unnecessary for this power upgrade if we have a chance to use same engine.

Yes. High powers are hard to cool. Damages engine lid etc..

 

[Bismarck]

Some people say, Turkey has upgrade some Leo 2 tanks. Anything real?

 

[Kamil_baku]

Some people say, Turkey has upgrade some Leo 2 tanks. Anything real?

cheap version of getting information..

 

[Bismarck]

cheap version of getting information..

Okay, lets do it more direct. Any progress on Leopard 2 tank upgrade? Better?

 

[Nart]

Okay, lets do it more direct. Any progress on Leopard 2 tank upgrade? Better?

Yes, the prototype is finished. There are numerous pictures and detailed info about it on the Karanet TAFICS (Turkish Armed Forces Integrated Communication System) but it is not publicly released yet. They even made a poster for it

 

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Yes, the prototype is finished. There are numerous pictures and detailed info about it on the Karanet TAFICS (Turkish Armed Forces Integrated Communication System) but it is not publicly released yet. They even made a poster for it

Does it have upgraded optics and FCS?

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Why the low ground clearance??

never saw it before

 

[Bismarck]

Yes, the prototype is finished. There are numerous pictures and detailed info about it on the Karanet TAFICS (Turkish Armed Forces Integrated Communication System) but it is not publicly released yet. They even made a poster for it

Why this secrecy? Its an upgrade, not a new MBT.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

never saw it before