Air superiority fighters vs Multirole fighters

[knight11]

Any real TOP CLASS air force WILL have BOTH

Air Superiority Fighters & Multi Role Fighters.

You forgot Dedicated Bomber/Strike fighter, Maritime Strike fighters, Ground attack fighter

I would argue Typhoon is a Air Superiority Fighter and Rafale Multi Role

True, Typhoon is more of Air superiority, but with tranche 3 it would get complete A2G capabilities, but can it be used as ground attack bomber. Does its airframe is designed to sustained stress and high G during lo lo profile, and sustain machine gun fire from ground enemy units or it is only meant to drop LGB, or GPS guided munition from high altitude after all who would like to use 130 million ps to drop Dump bomb or carpet bombing

I Think PAK FA is more Air Superirity too but iaf WANTS fgfa to be more multi role

IAF wants stealth more than performance with its FGFA, and tandem seat, and capability to breach highly protected layer of enemy of SAM and Radars. Russia want to counter F-35 with PAK FA, they have PAK DA program as stealth bomber.

 

[Tipu7]

Well let's look at different angle.....

Consider Air Superiority fighters as Fast bowlers which are meant to secure wickets but they are bad in scoring runs as good batsman.....


Multirole first fighters are like All rounders on cricket, they can bat (not as good as pure batsman) and they can also bowl (not as good as pure bowler) they act like a bridge between Bombers and Air Superiority fighters.....

 

[knight11]

Well let's look at different angle.....

Consider Air Superiority fighters as Fast bowlers which are meant to secure wickets but they are bad in scoring runs as good batsman.....


Multirole first fighters are like All rounders on cricket, they can bat (not as good as pure batsman) and they can also bowl (not as good as pure bowler) they act like a bridge between Bombers and Air Superiority fighters.....

Lol nice analysic, interesting cricket cum defense.

What if a team don't have a specialized wicketkeeper, and have temporary wicketkeeper, and dropping of catches, and loosing ball to boundary behind the wicket.

Same way, a multirole airforce, needs for some operation against a profound enemy with superior SAM and Radar coverage, needs a plane with full load, low flight capable of sustaining high G for prolong period, with NAV attack, and long range SAR radar, for precise target acquisition.

Or a Maritime strike configuration plane, with long range, and could carry heavy weapon load, along with drop tank.

 

[Super Falcon]

Air superirity fighter jet are frontline backbone of airforce around the world multirole jets only go to clear the mess left by airsuperiority jets

 

[Tipu7]

Lol nice analysic, interesting cricket cum defense.

What if a team don't have a specialized wicketkeeper, and have temporary wicketkeeper, and dropping of catches, and loosing ball to boundary behind the wicket.

Same way, a multirole airforce, needs for some operation against a profound enemy with superior SAM and Radar coverage, needs a plane with full load, low flight capable of sustaining high G for prolong period, with NAV attack, and long range SAR radar, for precise target acquisition.

Or a Maritime strike configuration plane, with long range, and could carry heavy weapon load, along with drop tank.

Agree.
A balanced air force must have dedicated Air Superiority fighter, ground strike bomber, maritime antiship aircraft, interceptor with a backbone of Multirole fighter.......

 

[GURU DUTT]

Air superirity fighter jet are frontline backbone of airforce around the world multirole jets only go to clear the mess left by airsuperiority jets

most of the current genration frontline air suerority fighter jets have been turned into multi role (they can conduct AtoA & AtoG missions in a single sorties) as deu to new technology with highly accurate PGMs , LGBs & stand off smart munations they dont need to come in very low altitude but still be as leathel as a dedicated CAS or ground attack fighter jet + still keep arial threats engaged deu to advancement in radar technology

 

[RazorMC]

Multiroles fare better in tactial air-battles like those in the Arab-Israeli wars or Indo-Pak ones where the enemy is within reach and the airforce needs rapid succession of sorties or aerial defense. Their shorter turn-around and relatively easier maintenance (esp with single engine) makes them ideally suited for getting them up in the air in short time.

Air superiority fighters have more strategic objectives to fulfill. Maintaining a no-fly zone over enemy territory comes much easier with air superiority fighters due to flight range and anti-air capabilities. Ofcourse a multirole could do the same, but the limited range makes them inefficient for this task. Seizing control of enemy airspace is what heavy AS fighters are intended for.

most of the current genration frontline air suerority fighter jets have been turned into multi role (they can conduct AtoA & AtoG missions in a single sorties) as deu to new technology with highly accurate PGMs , LGBs & stand off smart munations they dont need to come in very low altitude but still be as leathel as a dedicated CAS or ground attack fighter jet + still keep arial threats engaged deu to advancement in radar technology

CAS is something else altogether. There has been no true replacement for the Thunderbolt II (aka Warthog) till date.

 

[Manindra]

Well let's look at different angle.....

Consider Air Superiority fighters as Fast bowlers which are meant to secure wickets but they are bad in scoring runs as good batsman.....


Multirole first fighters are like All rounders on cricket, they can bat (not as good as pure batsman) and they can also bowl (not as good as pure bowler) they act like a bridge between Bombers and Air Superiority fighters.....

Your analysis remind me this

 

[rockstar08]

how about " Multi-Superiority "

 

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While we are at using sports analogies I find the romance of fighter aircraft a bit odd. I mean which pilot would be celebrated more? One who has shot down 5 enemy aircraft or the one who has destroyed 5 enemy tanks? While the former is called an ace their is no romantic title for the second. Its like a soccer defender getting more attention than a forward who has scored goals

 

[knight11]

Multiroles fare better in tactial air-battles like those in the Arab-Israeli wars or Indo-Pak ones where the enemy is within reach and the airforce needs rapid succession of sorties or aerial defense. Their shorter turn-around and relatively easier maintenance (esp with single engine) makes them ideally suited for getting them up in the air in short time.

Air superiority fighters have more strategic objectives to fulfill. Maintaining a no-fly zone over enemy territory comes much easier with air superiority fighters due to flight range and anti-air capabilities. Ofcourse a multirole could do the same, but the limited range makes them inefficient for this task. Seizing control of enemy airspace is what heavy AS fighters are intended for.


CAS is something else altogether. There has been no true replacement for the Thunderbolt II (aka Warthog) till date.

Could you explain it with the reference of Single aircraft nations and nations with Dedicated Role Based

1. Countries with Sigle type of fighter aircraft

France --- Mirrage/Rafale
Turkey --- F-16

2. Countries with Role based

Russia --- Su 30SM, Su-35, Su 25/34 Pullback, MIG-29/31, Tu bomber
USA --- F-15/F-22, F-16/F-35, F-14/F-18, Warthog, B-52,
China --- J10 A/B, J-11, J-16, J20, J31, J-7, Tu Bomber
India --- MKI, Jaguar/Mig-27, MIG-21/LCA, Mirrage 2000/raffale, MIG-29, Mig29K/Jaguar Marritime

 

[RazorMC]

Could you explain it with the reference of Single aircraft nations and nations with Dedicated Role Based

1. Countries with Sigle type of fighter aircraft

France --- Mirrage/Rafale
Turkey --- F-16

2. Countries with Role based

Russia --- Su 30SM, Su-35, Su 25/34 Pullback, MIG-29/31, Tu bomber
USA --- F-15/F-22, F-16/F-35, F-14/F-18, Warthog, B-52,
China --- J10 A/B, J-11, J-16, J20, J31, J-7, Tu Bomber
India --- MKI, Jaguar/Mig-27, MIG-21/LCA, Mirrage 2000/raffale, MIG-29, Mig29K/Jaguar Marritime

Your list has already separated countries with more immediate air-defense objectives compared to those with more strategic ones.

 

[$@rJen]

SU-35 is a strike fighter not a airsuperiority fighter.

Isn't Su-35 Multi role air superiority Fighter like our mki???

 

[Super Falcon]

most of the current genration frontline air suerority fighter jets have been turned into multi role (they can conduct AtoA & AtoG missions in a single sorties) as deu to new technology with highly accurate PGMs , LGBs & stand off smart munations they dont need to come in very low altitude but still be as leathel as a dedicated CAS or ground attack fighter jet + still keep arial threats engaged deu to advancement in radar technology

Main deference between AS and MR fighter jets is these airsuperirity jets are mdant to control and secure airspace and clean any intruder and when needed go inside enemy airspace and create havoc which MR jet cannot achieve on its own

Any airforce must have balanced fighter jet you cannot be one dimensional force by doing it your enemy know there is a whole in ur capability if any one is less which in PAF case is our PAF is weakest in history most of jets are of 80s era F 16 which we upgraded or of BLK 52 cant be matched to INDIAN AIRFORCES SU 30. MIG 29. RAFALE. PAKFA. yes IA will get rafale and pakfa 2020 do we have any deals signed to get ang new jets till 2020 big NO we need atleast 70 Latest air superiority jets and High altitude Airdefence systems than we be any match currently we are at IA mercy times of 90s gone

Isn't Su-35 Multi role air superiority Fighter like our mki???

SU 35 is sheer air superirity fighter jet

 

[GURU DUTT]

Multiroles fare better in tactial air-battles like those in the Arab-Israeli wars or Indo-Pak ones where the enemy is within reach and the airforce needs rapid succession of sorties or aerial defense. Their shorter turn-around and relatively easier maintenance (esp with single engine) makes them ideally suited for getting them up in the air in short time.

Air superiority fighters have more strategic objectives to fulfill. Maintaining a no-fly zone over enemy territory comes much easier with air superiority fighters due to flight range and anti-air capabilities. Ofcourse a multirole could do the same, but the limited range makes them inefficient for this task. Seizing control of enemy airspace is what heavy AS fighters are intended for.


CAS is something else altogether. There has been no true replacement for the Thunderbolt II (aka Warthog) till date.

isnt a F-16 with 4CBU-97 more deadlly than a warhog ?

CBU-97 Sensor Fuzed Weapon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Main deference between AS and MR fighter jets is these airsuperirity jets are mdant to control and secure airspace and clean any intruder and when needed go inside enemy airspace and create havoc which MR jet cannot achieve on its own

Any airforce must have balanced fighter jet you cannot be one dimensional force by doing it your enemy know there is a whole in ur capability if any one is less which in PAF case is our PAF is weakest in history most of jets are of 80s era F 16 which we upgraded or of BLK 52 cant be matched to INDIAN AIRFORCES SU 30. MIG 29. RAFALE. PAKFA. yes IA will get rafale and pakfa 2020 do we have any deals signed to get ang new jets till 2020 big NO we need atleast 70 Latest air superiority jets and High altitude Airdefence systems than we be any match currently we are at IA mercy times of 90s gone


SU 35 is sheer air superirity fighter jet

era of multiple AS or GA/CAS platforms in a single airforce is coming to an end and it all started with gulf war that redefined future air combat what USAF had at that time most of airforces round the globe are stilling competeting with each other to get there and lets not bring IAF Vs PAF into this thread or it will derail .... cheers mate