Ahmadi bookstore owner booked under anti-Terrorism act

[Pakistani E]

You would have been a communist?

Marxist-leninst to be exact..

be it your kind on that of maloon zia-ul-haq, as I would not favor one evil over the other.

Comparing Ahmadis to the ideology of Zia... Wow never heard of that one before. So which religion would be allowed to preach if you had your way?

 

[Hyperion]

If I had my way, EVERYONE would be allowed to preach their religion FREELY, however, a Hindu wouldn't be allowed to call himself a Jain, a Jain will not be allowed to call himself a Sikh, a Sikh wouldn't be allowed to call himself a Jew, a Jew wouldn't be allowed to call himself a Christian...... and an Ahmadi would not be allowed to call himself/herself a Muslim. Got the gist of it?

Comparing Ahmadis to the ideology of Zia... Wow never heard of that one before. So which religion would be allowed to preach if you had your way?

 

[Maarkhoor]

If I had my way, EVERYONE would be allowed to preach their religion FREELY, however, a Hindu wouldn't be allowed to call himself a Jain, a Jain will not be allowed to call himself a Sikh, a Sikh wouldn't be allowed to call himself a Jew, a Jew wouldn't be allowed to call himself a Christian...... and an Ahmadi would not be allowed to call himself/herself a Muslim. Got the gist of it?

100% agreed with you same question Bhutto asked from their leader while debating in assembly he ask if you call your self Muslim then what about me and the majority who don'r believe Mirza and call him heretic and liar he replied in that case we call you people non-Muslims at that point Bhutto stand up on his seat and said its a matter of 99% people either we declare them Kafir or 1%.

 

[haviZsultan]

Ahmedis should be provided equal rights and the constitution should be amended of the clauses that attack Ahmedis.

 

[Hyperion]

I know their standard operating procedure from Africa to Europe and how they twist things in he name of Islam. Bhutto was right. It's the majority that makes the laws, and law of the land stands supreme. Anyone has beef with it, change the articles of constitution with parliamentary majority. Having said all that, certain laws need to be amended which are mostly used for pressure tactics and personal gains, such as Blasphemy laws, as such laws inherently go against everything that Islam stands for.

100% agreed with you same question Bhutto asked from their leader while debating in assembly he ask if you call your self Muslim then what about me and the majority who don'r believe Mirza and call him heretic and liar he replied in that case we call you people non-Muslims at that point Bhutto stand up on his seat and said its a matter of 99% people either we declare them Kafir or 1%.

They already enjoy equal rights. Please do elaborate on the rights they are deprived of, other than calling themselves Muslims and office of the President and Prime Minister of Pakistan. Obviously you're not talking about these laws?

Ahmedis should be provided equal rights and the constitution should be amended of the clauses that attack Ahmedis.

 

[Maarkhoor]

lasphemy laws

Agreed with you but some retard like Qadri gone crazy even if someone talk about it, need to understand that Blasphemy LAW made by human it is not God created and can be debated and amend it. I feel shame when people burn their own country over cartoon issue if we see Life of our beloved Prophet (PBUH) we find him forgiving the woman who used th throw garbage on him but his nice treatment made her to think about his kindness and morals.

Obviously you're not talking about these laws?

They have equal rights as a citizen of Pakistan like any other minority actually the law bared them for calling themselves Muslim is for majority's right protection same thing here either they are Muslim or the Majority, they should understand that and stop being stubborn believe me instantly situation changes in favor of them. And those who misusing this law should be punished harshly for that.

 

[haviZsultan]

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I know their standard operating procedure from Africa to Europe and how they twist things in he name of Islam. Bhutto was right. It's the majority that makes the laws, and law of the land stands supreme. Anyone has beef with it, change the articles of constitution with parliamentary majority. Having said all that, certain laws need to be amended which are mostly used for pressure tactics and personal gains, such as Blasphemy laws, as such laws inherently go against everything that Islam stands for.



They already enjoy equal rights. Please do elaborate on the rights they are deprived of, other than calling themselves Muslims and office of the President and Prime Minister of Pakistan. Obviously you're not talking about these laws?

I don't see what is wrong with an Ahmedi being prime minister or even calling themselves muslims. Aren't ahmedis attacked for their faith. Zafarullah Khan was an Ahmedi and Jinnah called him a son. He stated that if someone calls himself muslim it is between God and the person. How can we declare someone non muslim who calls himself muslim. I repeat what Jinnah said.

Our policy is wrong if not downright evil. The mullahs policy should be to win the Ahmedis over rather than depriving them of their rights. Some years ago an Ahmedi brother converted to Islam whom I knew. I did not put a sword to his neck to convert him or take his right to call himself what he wanted. I gave him the utmost respect. I did not even intend to convert him but he converted because I gave him love and respect.

This was the Prophet and Umar's policy as was Ali's. Umar refused to pray in a church because it would be converted to a mosque. A jew took a shield from Ali and his own court vouched in favor of the jew. The jew converted. These are all examples of the respect and equality we muslims have provided to others.

We fail to see this today.

I am surprised that a person calling himself liberal too has anti ahmedi feelings. We need a change in mindset.

 

[Maarkhoor]

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I don't see what is wrong with an Ahmedi being prime minister or even calling themselves muslims. Aren't ahmedis attacked for their faith. Zafarullah Khan was an Ahmedi and Jinnah called him a son. He stated that if someone calls himself muslim it is between God and the person. How can we declare someone non muslim who calls himself muslim. I repeat what Jinnah said.

Our policy is wrong if not downright evil. The mullahs policy should be to win the Ahmedis over rather than depriving them of their rights. Some years ago an Ahmedi brother converted to Islam whom I knew. I did not put a sword to his neck to convert him or take his right to call himself what he wanted. I gave him the utmost respect. I did not even intend to convert him but he converted because I gave him love and respect.

This was the Prophet and Umar's policy as was Ali's. Umar refused to pray in a church because it would be converted to a mosque. A jew took a shield from Ali and his own court vouched in favor of the jew. The jew converted. These are all examples of the respect and equality we muslims have provided to others.

We fail to see this today.

I am surprised that a person calling himself liberal too has anti ahmedi feelings. We need a change in mindset.

We don't have anti Ahmadi feelings but we have to safeguard our right to be claim as Muslims. If they are Muslims and according to them the person who not follow Ahmadi is Kafir.

 

[Hyperion]

I don't have any anti Ahmadi feelings at all, far from it, however, I do have a problem with unconstitutional requests. Don't like the constitution, win the elections with 2/3 majority, get the bill passed and voila we have a solution. In the meantime abide by the law. Always remember, laws are made for majority of population, which in itself, 'the population', is supreme.

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I don't see what is wrong with an Ahmedi being prime minister or even calling themselves muslims. Aren't ahmedis attacked for their faith. Zafarullah Khan was an Ahmedi and Jinnah called him a son. He stated that if someone calls himself muslim it is between God and the person. How can we declare someone non muslim who calls himself muslim. I repeat what Jinnah said.

Our policy is wrong if not downright evil. The mullahs policy should be to win the Ahmedis over rather than depriving them of their rights. Some years ago an Ahmedi brother converted to Islam whom I knew. I did not put a sword to his neck to convert him or take his right to call himself what he wanted. I gave him the utmost respect. I did not even intend to convert him but he converted because I gave him love and respect.

This was the Prophet and Umar's policy as was Ali's. Umar refused to pray in a church because it would be converted to a mosque. A jew took a shield from Ali and his own court vouched in favor of the jew. The jew converted. These are all examples of the respect and equality we muslims have provided to others.

We fail to see this today.

I am surprised that a person calling himself liberal too has anti ahmedi feelings. We need a change in mindset.

 

[Maarkhoor]

@haviZsultan @Hyperion
Check this one

 

[Jaanbaz]

We Ahmadis should help each other to leave Pakistan, that is the only solution. See even the so called Liberals have problems with Ahmadis. Abandon Pakistan, simple solution.

 

[Maarkhoor]

We Ahmadis should help each other to leave Pakistan, that is the only solution. See even the so called Liberals have problems with Ahmadis. Abandon Pakistan, simple solution.

No need to leave your home land just accept your position as per constitution and fight against it constitutionally if Ahmadi feel it to harsh for them.

 

[Jaanbaz]

No need to leave your home land just accept your position as per constitution and fight against it constitutionally if Ahmadi feel it to harsh for them.

End of debate. Ahmadis should leave Pakistan. You can then relax, no one will hurt you guys' feelings by calling ourselves Muslims. Then you only got Hindus and Christians to deal with. It wound be easier to concentrate your resources to kick and wipe these minorities from Pakistan.

 

[Maarkhoor]

End of debate. Ahmadis should leave Pakistan.

They already playing minority cards and producing fake FIRs in western embassies to get visa.

 

[Hyperion]

Dude, are you dyslexic or what? Don't make everything a matter of your ego. Where in my posts did I write I have a problem with Ahmadis? They are respected members of our society and part of our culture. Read the fine print, where I said follow the laws or change them lawfully through parliamentary majority. How can you force anyone to call you a Muslim when the law says that you are an Ahmadi and not a Muslim. If the majority made a law call a mouse a cat, then sad to say that even I will be forced to call a mouse a cat, no matter how much I'm against it. It's as simple as that.

I'll make it even more easy for you.

Till the law is amended or redacted, follow the following rules:

1. Call yourself an Ahmadi.
2. Don't preach as if you're preaching Islam.

So where did I go wrong with advising you and others on following law of the land?

We Ahmadis should help each other to leave Pakistan, that is the only solution. See even the so called Liberals have problems with Ahmadis. Abandon Pakistan, simple solution.