After the Karachi attacks....

[DV RULES]

Propaganda? Even investigators are claiming there is high possibility that IS is involved. Not your demonic MQM who has become the new Mossad of Pakistan.

I think you used to live in past & victim of media.
I will repeat that IS propaganda just used to take out MQM to be accused for.
Only MQM supporter can come with intentions of IS to support its party.
I think you are hiding behind Flag of Pakistan but looks like an Indian.

But they launched an attack in France and USA. Why is that if they're mercenaries on a payroll? How can they not be a problem for us when already splinter groups in the Taliban associated themselves with it? Do you really think when IS takes over all of Iraq and Syria it will sit tight when it's already declared half of the world as one of its targets? Whenever a group like IS has managed to take a control of an area, they turn it to a terrorist breeding ground and accept all sorts of militants and fighters. You cannot deny this because this happened in Afghanistan and is already happening in Iraq and Syria where there are terrorist camps.


2 main headaches? Are you kidding me? What happened to Taliban? Jundullah? Lashkar-e-Jhangvi?

Either you are so naive or ..........
France attack was not from ISIS but from so called Liberal Syrian rebels trained in Antalya. There is no IS threat even in US because their fathers are sitting some hundred KMs away in Washington & Langley, it was home made stunt to increase visitors of exhibition......they want to be famous ...Yes!

Pakistan suffers a lot of this atrocities and they are well trained to tackle thugs willing to change its title to IS so there is no ground of IS in Pakistan since our security agencies are pointing all these morons on radar.

Even you can design world map in one colour with your designed flag and claim the whole territory of earth your kingdom, Should we believe on your claim?

Afghanistan is known to Pakistan with each distance of KM but Iraq, Syria not of our problem.

 

[Zarvan]

And certainly no investigator claiming it is MQM. It was so implausible they didn't even consider it.



Is this why they already have recruits and supporters operating in Africa, Europe, and the US? When Iraq and Syria is theirs, they will come for us. To them, we're just another lost Muslim land waiting to be reconquered under the new caliphate. Already, they've carried out a suicide attack in Afghanistan.
Isis in Afghanistan: Group claims responsibility for Jalalabad suicide bombing that killed 35 - Middle East - World - The Independent

ISIS in Afghanistan also turned out to be fake till now no ISIS exists neither in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

 

[Hiptullha]

ISIS in Afghanistan also turned out to be fake till now no ISIS exists neither in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

Prove it.

France attack was not from ISIS but from so called Liberal Syrian rebels trained in Antalya. There is no IS threat even in US because their fathers are sitting some hundred KMs away in Washington & Langley, it was home made stunt to increase visitors of exhibition......they want to be famous ...Yes!

This is all bordering on conspiracy theory. There is very little proof the attacks were staged.

Pakistan suffers a lot of this atrocities and they are well trained to tackle thugs willing to change its title to IS so there is no ground of IS in Pakistan since our security agencies are pointing all these morons on radar.

We might think its not a problem, but can we be sure? Egypt made the same mistake, underestimating the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamists many times. They assassinated one of their leaders before, carried out countless terror attacks and are still a major threat in the country.

Even you can design world map in one colour with your designed flag and claim the whole territory of earth your kingdom, Should we believe on your claim?

I am not an organisation made up of experienced former generals and jihadists from all across the globe who have managed to take over massive swathes of land already.

Afghanistan is known to Pakistan with each distance of KM but Iraq, Syria not of our problem.

They are. Whenever a country has fallen to Islamists, it becomes the whole Muslim world's problem because terrorists from Muslim countries arrive there to be trained and armed, so when they return, they can use their newfound knowledge against the military and state.

 

[B@KH]

I also demand accountability and better prioritization, but this can only be achieved in the long run. An accountable government is not built in a day.

Who else could it be? Which groups have been massacring Shias for the last few years? It might not be IS, but it's definitely a group inspired by IS.

well said.

the shia killings are going on since decades under supervision of elements hiding in the institutions.

Many terror groups are created by Saudi blessings and IS is just a new creation.

In Pakistani format version of IS most from Jud and Let and Lej and awsj and jundulla will join them. some ttp element too joined the IS.

IS definitely exists in Pakistan and might be in initial stages. But this is Pak version controlled by Saudi and military assistance from ISIS and allies.

 

[Zarvan]

Prove it.


This is all bordering on conspiracy theory. There is very little proof the attacks were staged.


We might think its not a problem, but can we be sure? Egypt made the same mistake, underestimating the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamists many times. They assassinated one of their leaders before, carried out countless terror attacks and are still a major threat in the country.


I am not an organisation made up of experienced former generals and jihadists from all across the globe who have managed to take over massive swathes of land already.


They are. Whenever a country has fallen to Islamists, it becomes the whole Muslim world's problem because terrorists from Muslim countries arrive there to be trained and armed, so when they return, they can use their newfound knowledge against the military and state.

You prove ISIS exists till now its all fake just name used to divert attention.

 

[Hiptullha]

You prove ISIS exists till now its all fake just name used to divert attention.

Wow. Really? You mean the Assad regime, the Kurds, the Iraqi government, the Arab Coalition, and the US are all fighting a fake organisation which doesn't exist?

 

[Zarvan]

Wow. Really? You mean the Assad regime, the Kurds, the Iraqi government, the Arab Coalition, and the US are all fighting a fake organisation which doesn't exist?

I am saying they are not in Afghanistan and Pakistan go get some knowledge before talking.

 

[Hiptullha]

I am saying they are not in Afghanistan and Pakistan go get some knowledge before talking.

Police arrested 2 ISIS sympathizers yesterday.
Two terrorists held with ISIS leaflets | PAKISTAN - geo.tv

Jundullah, which carried out the latest attack, and several high-profile attacks such as the Wagah Border Attack and the attack on the Shia Mosque has already pledged allegiance to IS.
Pakistan Taliban splinter group vows allegiance to Islamic State| Reuters

Even the government admits that IS is a threat to us. So far, they've denied it exists, but with groups like Jundullah openly stating their allegiance to IS and carrying out attacks, is that true?
Govt admits IS serious threat to Pakistan | Pakistan Today

 

[Zarvan]

Police arrested 2 ISIS sympathizers yesterday.
Two terrorists held with ISIS leaflets | PAKISTAN - geo.tv

Jundullah, which carried out the latest attack, and several high-profile attacks such as the Wagah Border Attack and the attack on the Shia Mosque has already pledged allegiance to IS.
Pakistan Taliban splinter group vows allegiance to Islamic State| Reuters

Even the government admits that IS is a threat to us. So far, they've denied it exists, but with groups like Jundullah openly stating their allegiance to IS and carrying out attacks, is that true?
Govt admits IS serious threat to Pakistan | Pakistan Today

Jandullah is also not behind this attack and those two are nothing and had no contact with ISIS leaders and even MQM had been doing wall chalking in name if ISIS in Karachi.

 

[DV RULES]

This is all bordering on conspiracy theory. There is very little proof the attacks were staged.

There are enough evidences but not for those looking for selective realities. What i told you may not suit to your wish list.

We might think its not a problem, but can we be sure? Egypt made the same mistake, underestimating the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamists many times. They assassinated one of their leaders before, carried out countless terror attacks and are still a major threat in the country.

Don't bring layman mentality into this forum, these conversations are in every tea spot in the country, first you have to learn not to count inland or foreign policies with other countries, different people, mindset, traditions, intellectual status and inputs of national leaders. That's not Asia Red or Asia Green politics. We shouldn't underestimate them but didn't give so much attention that they realized their importance and you are going in the same way. That's the job of our politicians, security agencies and citizens to discourage their ideology with idealogy. btw, There is no religious party in Pakistan to extent where they can challenge political system as in Egypt so get out of injected illusions of similarity.

I am not an organisation made up of experienced former generals and jihadists from all across the globe who have managed to take over massive swathes of land already.

Again you are failed to get the point, if someone buy printer and printed some words with irrelative title so what we should do, laid down our faith or investigate first? India also claimed that Pakistan didn't exist as sovereign but colony of India just like they did with Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh and Pakistan stood against its hegemony and resisted and still resisting even if our efforts to save our identity bleed but this pain could be bearable than pain of being dependent and slaves of dictations. So my friend, if they claimed any type of Khilafat then that's their own problem and mindset but it doesn't means that we just down their knees because they are too barbaric and inhuman to achieve their goal. Get some sovereign sense.

They are. Whenever a country has fallen to Islamists, it becomes the whole Muslim world's problem because terrorists from Muslim countries arrive there to be trained and armed, so when they return, they can use their newfound knowledge against the military and state.

Take yourself out of this Ummah phobia, we are responsible for our nation, country & territory not rest of issues. That's duty of law enforcement agencies & intelligence agencies to do check & balance and tendency of visitors to effected countries just like EU countries gave maximum attention over In & Out traffic and movements. Pakistan already has taken measures to control the citizen's movements in relation with infected countries with terrorism.

 

[Hiptullha]

Again you are failed to get the point, if someone buy printer and printed some words with irrelative title so what we should do, laid down our faith or investigate first? India also claimed that Pakistan didn't exist as sovereign but colony of India just like they did with Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh and Pakistan stood against its hegemony and resisted and still resisting even if our efforts to save our identity bleed but this pain could be bearable than pain of being dependent and slaves of dictations. So my friend, if they claimed any type of Khilafat then that's their own problem and mindset but it doesn't means that we just down their knees because they are too barbaric and inhuman to achieve their goal. Get some sovereign sense.

India and ISIS are like apples and oranges, mainly because India would never be able to take over Pakistan. Compare an Indian invasion of the Northern Areas to an invasion of the Northern Areas by ISIS. If India did invade the Northern Areas, there would be worldwide condemnation, sanctions, support from our allies. And India would crack under the pressure because they aren't a rogue terrorist state funded by black money like ISIS. On the other hand, there is a good possibility that ISIS could take over the Northern Areas. Heck, TTP has already been operating in the Northern Areas for a good decade now.

Take yourself out of this Ummah phobia, we are responsible for our nation, country & territory not rest of issues. That's duty of law enforcement agencies & intelligence agencies to do check & balance and tendency of visitors to effected countries just like EU countries gave maximum attention over In & Out traffic and movements. Pakistan already has taken measures to control the citizen's movements in relation with infected countries with terrorism.

Our law enforcement agencies and intelligence agencies can monitor visitors coming in by plane, maybe, but have you forgotten our porous border with Afghanistan which has been the sole reason we're suffering from an insurgency right now? Our intelligence agencies have failed to prevent fighters moving back and forth from there for the last 2 decades. What makes you think they can do it now? When it comes to monitoring the border, we're helpless and it all comes down to what's going in Afghanistan. Our own army says this frequently. When Afghanistan is cleared, Pakistan is cleared.

Don't bring layman mentality into this forum, these conversations are in every tea spot in the country, first you have to learn not to count inland or foreign policies with other countries, different people, mindset, traditions, intellectual status and inputs of national leaders. That's not Asia Red or Asia Green politics. We shouldn't underestimate them but didn't give so much attention that they realized their importance and you are going in the same way. That's the job of our politicians, security agencies and citizens to discourage their ideology with idealogy. btw, There is no religious party in Pakistan to extent where they can challenge political system as in Egypt so get out of injected illusions of similarity.

Are you sure about this? PML-N regularly relies on the sectarian organisations in elections, PTI is a partner of JI, and we've still got thousands of madrassas in the country churning out thousands of potential Taliban recruits on a daily basis.