Afghanistan summons Pakistani envoy over ‘diplomats’ arrest’

[deckingraj]

You were not there thus you cannot guarantee anything. If you can, provide me with physical evidence.
Despite trying to create drama, nothing negative has happened. The incident has already been forgotten.

Allow me to butt in here please...I believe the larger point is that Diplomats shouldn't be arrested even under an ambit of a mistake...Police especially in South Asia do all sort of things(i mean how long do we take to beat up people??) with the people under arrest....AF is comparatively a weaker state and thus may forget the incident without any serious consequences however the same mistake with diplomats of countries like China/US/Russia etc(purposefully excluding India) would have created larger noise than what have been created here...no??

 

[Screambowl]

You were not there thus you cannot guarantee anything. If you can, provide me with physical evidence.

Despite trying to create drama, nothing negative has happened. The incident has already been forgotten.

Ask the diplomatic community if you know any one. And they will explain you

 

[MastanKhan]

I am serious and not joking. Ask any diplomatic community If you are in touch with. Don't know who made you a think tank.

What is the negative rating for---the poster is right.

This is just an assumption on my part---the Peshawar police knows about the diplomats very well---and specially the afghan diplomats---. They know what they are doing and when----so something serious must have happened for them to detain the diplomats---then they got a call from the higher ups to release them.

Diplomats can be taken into protective custody---depends on what kind of message you want to send.

 

[Screambowl]

What is the negative rating for---the poster is right.

This is just an assumption on my part---the Peshawar police knows about the diplomats very well---and specially the afghan diplomats---. They know what they are doing and when----so something serious must have happened for them to detain the diplomats---then they got a call from the higher ups to release them.

Diplomats can be taken into protective custody---depends on what kind of message you want to send.

There could be a restriction on their passport to enter KPK Province. But If the Consulate is itself in Peshawar, which means no such prohibition. And Local police is highly aware of their Diplomatic status. Diplomats might have known the Police Commissioner of Peshawar personally. So, there is no chance that such mistake could happen. More over Diplomats are given different number plates on their vehicles. Even locals are aware of it. So no chance of any mistake.

 

[MastanKhan]

There could be a restriction on their passport to enter KPK Province. But If the Consulate is itself in Peshawar, which means no such prohibition. And Local police is highly aware of their Diplomatic status. Diplomats might have known the Police Commissioner of Peshawar personally. So, there is no chance that such mistake could happen. More over Diplomats are given different number plates on their vehicles. Even locals are aware of it. So no chance of any mistake.

Hi,

Thank you for the reply---. The Peshawar police is very familiar with the movement of the diplomats. It is the most sensitive and travelled area by the diplomats. The police has the most exposure to diplomats than any other city other than Islamabad and they know what protocol needs to be followed.

As I stated in my earlier post---these guys must have been doing something out o the norm to be detained---.

Local police force does not step out of its bounds against the diplomats until and unless instructed to.

 

[Screambowl]

Hi,

Thank you for the reply---. The Peshawar police is very familiar with the movement of the diplomats. It is the most sensitive and travelled area by the diplomats. The police has the most exposure to diplomats than any other city other than Islamabad and they know what protocol needs to be followed.

As I stated in my earlier post---these guys must have been doing something out o the norm to be detained---.

Local police force does not step out of its bounds against the diplomats until and unless instructed to.

That is correct. And what ever happened, that would be confidential. Because the source of information reveals the identity of source.

 

[That Guy]

Ask the diplomatic community if you know any one. And they will explain you

No, you said you can guarantee this claim of yours, prove it. Show me your guarantee.

Allow me to butt in here please...I believe the larger point is that Diplomats shouldn't be arrested even under an ambit of a mistake...Police especially in South Asia do all sort of things(i mean how long do we take to beat up people??) with the people under arrest....AF is comparatively a weaker state and thus may forget the incident without any serious consequences however the same mistake with diplomats of countries like China/US/Russia etc(purposefully excluding India) would have created larger noise than what have been created here...no??

I disagree. A diplomat getting detained (not arrested) due to a mistake is not a big deal, if the mistake is realized and the diplomat is released without incident and with an apology, which probably happened. Even with larger states, if the mistake occurs, an apology is issued and everyone moves on.

 

[Screambowl]

No, you said you can guarantee this claim of yours, prove it. Show me your guarantee.


I disagree. A diplomat getting detained (not arrested) due to a mistake is not a big deal, if the mistake is realized and the diplomat is released without incident and with an apology, which probably happened. Even with larger states, if the mistake occurs, an apology is issued and everyone moves on.

They have been detained not arrested, no doubt. But It is not an act of Mistake, but a deliberate act to detain. Local police is completely aware of who are Diplomats. Unless until there is an order to detain them, no diplomat is detained.

• Article 29. Diplomats must not be liable to any form of arrest or detention. They are immune from civil or criminal prosecution, though the sending country may waive this right under Article 32. Under Article 34, they are exempt from most taxes, and under Article 36 they are exempt from most customs duties.

Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[deckingraj]

I disagree. A diplomat getting detained (not arrested) due to a mistake is not a big deal, if the mistake is realized and the diplomat is released without incident and with an apology, which probably happened. Even with larger states, if the mistake occurs, an apology is issued and everyone moves on.

While what you are saying is making sense however it all depends on what were the circumstances...Was it a genuine mistake or something sinister...How long they were detained for, how were they treated and blah blah...Secondly reaction to similar incident can be poles apart depending upon how much might you pack in your punch...Anyhow looking at the incident i believe it was definitely a benign one and kind of getting dragged much more here

 

[That Guy]

They have been detained not arrested, no doubt. But It is not an act of Mistake, but a deliberate act to detain. Local police is completely aware of who are Diplomats. Unless until there is an order to detain them, no diplomat is detained.

• Article 29. Diplomats must not be liable to any form of arrest or detention. They are immune from civil or criminal prosecution, though the sending country may waive this right under Article 32. Under Article 34, they are exempt from most taxes, and under Article 36 they are exempt from most customs duties.

Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That proves nothing, it just states that they should not be detained. We're not talking about the legality, we're talking about if it was intentional or not.

You still haven't proven that this was deliberate, and not a mistake. Why would the police arrest or detain diplomats on purpose? Why would they risk their job, and do something as stupid as this deliberately? They wouldn't. You accusation is meaningless, because you have no evidence.

You are arguing for the sake of arguing, and you have the guts to question why I am a TT? I'm done here.

While what you are saying is making sense however it all depends on what were the circumstances...Was it a genuine mistake or something sinister...How long they were detained for, how were they treated and blah blah...Secondly reaction to similar incident can be poles apart depending upon how much might you pack in your punch...Anyhow looking at the incident i believe it was definitely a benign one and kind of getting dragged much more here

They were detained for around an hour, not long. They were released as soon as the mistake was realized, so this is evidence enough that there was no ill intent towards diplomatic relations between the two nations.

This is not like how the US raided the Iranian consulate in Iraq, and continue to hold Iranian diplomats in prison. This was a mistake that was fixed within an hour.

 

[Screambowl]

That proves nothing, it just states that they should not be detained. We're not talking about the legality, we're talking about if it was intentional or not.

You still haven't proven that this was deliberate, and not a mistake. Why would the police arrest or detain diplomats on purpose? Why would they risk their job, and do something as stupid as this deliberately? They wouldn't. You accusation is meaningless, because you have no evidence.

You are arguing for the sake of arguing, and you have the guts to question why I am a TT? I'm done here.
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If it is proved that the actions were deliberate , then Pakistan will be in serious trouble for breaching V. Convention. And don't expect me to prove that, I'll be in headlines

My discussion is based on that, Diplomats with protocol ID are detained Mistakenly in City in which their Consulate stands is highly doubted. I would have believed the 'mistaken' part if it had happened in Quetta or swabi, or some interior.

It is similar to that , an ambassador(JS) level officer is detained by police by mistake. Not possible

 

[That Guy]

If it is proved that the actions were deliberate , then Pakistan will be in serious trouble for breaching V. Convention. And don't expect me to prove that, I'll be in headlines

My discussion is based on that, Diplomats with protocol ID are detained Mistakenly in City in which their Consulate stands is highly doubted. I would have believed the 'mistaken' part if it had happened in Quetta or swabi, or some interior.

It is similar to that , an ambassador(JS) level officer is detained by police by mistake. Not possible

It is always possible, you stating otherwise doesn't change that fact. The FACT is that they were released within an hour, your guarantee is nothing more than useless speculation.

The FACT is that this entire incident has blown over, everyone has forgotten about it. No headlines, no diplomatic incident.

It doesn't matter what you believe, no one cares. What matter are facts, and you haven't presented any facts that back your claim, because your claim is ridiculous. This isn't even an argument, stop trying to create drama out of nothing.

 

[Screambowl]

It is always possible, you stating otherwise doesn't change that fact. The FACT is that they were released within an hour, your guarantee is nothing more than useless speculation.

The FACT is that this entire incident has blown over, everyone has forgotten about it. No headlines, no diplomatic incident.

It doesn't matter what you believe, no one cares. What matter are facts, and you haven't presented any facts that back your claim, because your claim is ridiculous. This isn't even an argument, stop trying to create drama out of nothing.

Within an Hour. It is a long time friend. Any Diplomat , if spend 10 minutes in Police Station due to suspicion on him, is a big issue.

This issue has been made silent. A lot of things must not come on media.

 

[MastanKhan]

They have been detained not arrested, no doubt. But It is not an act of Mistake, but a deliberate act to detain. Local police is completely aware of who are Diplomats. Unless until there is an order to detain them, no diplomat is detained.

• Article 29. Diplomats must not be liable to any form of arrest or detention. They are immune from civil or criminal prosecution, though the sending country may waive this right under Article 32. Under Article 34, they are exempt from most taxes, and under Article 36 they are exempt from most customs duties.

Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hi,

Even in the U S---they will be detained---depends on what kind of stuff they were doing and what kind of message the state wants to send. It is not in black and white.

And diplomats are not held just because of suspicion---they are held during the actual act of defiance / illegal activity.

As I mentioned before---Peshawar police is familiar with diplomatic activity---legal and illegal. They know how to handle it.

The afg diplomats were involved in anti state activity and thus got nabbed.

 

[Screambowl]

Hi,

Even in the U S---they will be detained---depends on what kind of stuff they were doing and what kind of message the state wants to send. It is not in black and white.

And diplomats are not held just because of suspicion---they are held during the actual act of defiance / illegal activity.

As I mentioned before---Peshawar police is familiar with diplomatic activity---legal and illegal. They know how to handle it.

The afg diplomats were involved in anti state activity and thus got nabbed.

That is correct, our own diplomat in NY was arrested. They don't detain without orders.