Afghanistan Is With Pakistan

[saiyan0321]

So as you have mentioned the laws in Pakistan are not completely Islamic and shariah. This still having British law... why would there even be British law if Pakistan was created by Muslims for the reason of Islam.

Eh I've heard a lot about the bars and clubs in Islamabad... murree brewery was created by British and continues to be run by "Muslims" if you can call them that.

Quite simply bcz the entire region of the subcontinent was under British law. That means laws, precedents, studies of laws was entirely British. In this journey of 70 years the once dominant British law has been reduced to a shadow and the once non existent Islamic law is now the basic and core structure of pakistan law. Infact majority of our law system is now derived from Islamic law. As times pass by British law will die its natural death if not kept to a bare minimum for past precedents which are very true for pakistan bcz remember pakistan is the inheritor of Britain and all the precedents and case laws that British delivered during their stay in the subcontinent.

You can't do it on a snap. These things take time as is the phasing out of English. Its a slow process but Urdu is slowly becoming more dominant as a national bridge language over the previous english as well as the office language. The process will take time but it will be done.

As for murree brewery. As I mentioned alcohol is only allowed for non Muslims as we being Muslims respect non Muslims and their religion which is the heart and soul of islam. Minority rights is what differentiates islam from many other religions. Alcohol consumption by a Muslim is illegal and punishable under CRPC drinking which is described as shurb in pakistan penal code under section 6 and is covered by section 6-11 which covers not only drinking but also intoxicants such as drugs.

Do you know that punishment for drinking in hadd ( sec 8) in Pakistan Law is 80 stripes for an adult ( adult definition under section 2a) and the proof under section 9 is confession or witness statement where the witness must be Muslim, adult, and must satisfy the court that he is in accordance with tazkiyat al shahood which is truthful and abstains from major sins.

And sec 11 covers tazir as well and it can also prosecute non Muslims even non Muslim non citizens of pakistan if they drink in public..

That's pretty Islamic.

 

[Kandahari]

Guys Kandahari is Afghani troll from PF, "Iblis_Efreetzai". Take this in to account before insulting afghans in general. The regular afghan members like A-team and Malang are not trolls.

Of course I'm Afghan, hence my name and my Pashto replies. However I am not this person you claim I am. Nice assumption based off nothing.

you talking to us today being proud afghan is because of pakistan. otherwise your name would have ben Kalashnikov something, cause Pakistan saved your ancestors from soviet. so next time when you open your mouth, say thank you to Pakistan...

Watch this and let's see how your comment changes

https://instagram.com/p/BHM9pOAAnCk/

 

[Khan_21]

So as you have mentioned the laws in Pakistan are not completely Islamic and shariah. This still having British law... why would there even be British law if Pakistan was created by Muslims for the reason of Islam.

Eh I've heard a lot about the bars and clubs in Islamabad... murree brewery was created by British and continues to be run by "Muslims" if you can call them that.

Maybe you should come to Islamabad and we will discuss your philosophies of who is a true pashtun over a few cocktails ? How does that sound . Its one of the most beautiful capitals in the world . You will forget all about the miseries back home .

Your people won't allow us, by sending your suicide bombers over the "border". Everytime we build something your govt sends a bag of amonium nitrate...
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Mate America has spend like $ 110 billion on Afghanistan and it still looks like a country in stone age . You know why ? Because you are the most corrupt people in the world .

http://news.sky.com/story/what-are-the-10-most-corrupt-countries-10277080

1. North Korea and Somalia (tied)
2. Afghanistan
3. Sudan
4. Angola and South Sudan (tied)
5. Iraq and Libya (tied)
6. Haiti, Guinea-Bissau and Venezuela (tied)
7. Eritrea, Syria, Turkmenistan and Yemen (tied)
8. Uzbekistan
9. Burundi, Cambodia and Zimbabwe (tied)
10. Chad, Democratic Republic of Congo, Myanmar (tied)

So all this you building and us destroying it is a load of bullocks .

 

[Jawad iqbal]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1826472067586753

eye opener for you @Kandahari

 

[haviZsultan]

Your people won't allow us, by sending your suicide bombers over the "border". Everytime we build something your govt sends a bag of amonium nitrate...



I'll kept the culture shit to myself as long as one of your idiot brothers doesn't say Pashtun culture and Pakistani/India culture have commonalities.

The "huge" cultural differences between Afghans/Pashtuns and Punjabi/Muhajirs are nothing but a mere fairy tale. Pashtuns have always had a link with the subcontinent though it is true that for most of the time it has been from a ruling position (where pashtuns are ruling) Suri, Lodhi, Ghaznavid, Ghorid, Durrani all had lands in Indian subcontinent. Just because of the fight between mughals and pashtun tribes and fight between sikh empire (Ranjit Singh) and Muslim pashtuns does not mean history is all black and white.

Pir Roshan was an Ansari, possibly linked to my own family and his real name was Bayazid Ansari. He was a pashtun though Ansari is usually non pashtun surname which Luffy has been mean to point out. This is this one link between pashtuns and punjabis/muhajirs. Then there pashtuns in Mughal army as well. Mahabbat Khan was one of them. Rehman Baba was also born in mughal times and favored the mughals unlike Khushal Khan Khattak. But lets forget the past.

Currently and since before 47 there have been pashtuns who speak only urdu or those who have been settled east of the indus river. UP has a large population of pashtuns in many regions including Fatehpur. Rohillas are one such group of Pashtuns who adopted urdu as their national language. 30% of all urdu speakers have pashtun roots.

Pashtuns have a historic role in the region and a bond between Pakistani ethnic groups exists and has existed since 47. The first bond is of nationhood. The other is of religion and the last is of working together for more than 60+ years. As we intermingle we have adopted each others culture. This is impossible in Afghanistan because the ethnic groups are at each others necks

 

[A-Team]

Sta sa problem da?

@A-Team this is what I mentioned earlier and now you have living, breathing proof in Kandahari. The problem isn't Pakistan's support for Taliban is it? Its much deeper with core reasons under the tip of the iceburg

Afghans have a lust for the northern provinces of Pakistan and anyone who disagrees becomes "Panjabi". Even in Afghan education the teachers seem to be living in Duranni times claiming northern Pakistani territories while you barely have control over the Tajiks Uzbeks and Hazaras some of whom want succession.

Farsi is the national language of Afghanistan, pashto is not even understood and the Pashtuns are losing pashto in favor of Dari and Farsi and people like Kandahari have the nerve to tell our us true pashtuns who have saved pashtun culture, film, language and embroidary by being economically superior and resisting Russian invasion and hosting 3 million Afghan nationals the majority of them fellow Pashtuns that we are impure. Look at the level of delusion here.

Lets note though even Ahmed Shah Abdali was born in Multan and Pakistani pashtuns are 30 million ad Afghan 14 million. We can claim all the history of Pashtuns if we want but we are willing to share history and culture with Afghanistan. In the early years of Pakistan we offered the Afghans a union with Pakistan but being the fanatics that some Afghans are they refused the idea because Pashtuns would become a minority. This ethnic chauvinism is one of the many reasons for the downfall of Afghan society.

And Kandahar Pashtuns of Pakistan have nothing to hide from non-pashtuns here. Speak in english so all can understand your divide and rule policies and your chauvinism.

Well @Kandahari seems to be a new member here on PDF, and he seems to stirred quite a bit controversy over here, judging by the amount of angry comments thrown at each other.

Anyways let us keep our arguments civil and be respectful towards one another.

PDF should be a place to learn from one another, learn to listen to opposing views and respond in respectful manner.

/ Peace

 

[Kandahari]

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Dagha sta da para de.

 

[Khan_21]

Quite simply bcz the entire region of the subcontinent was under British law. That means laws, precedents, studies of laws was entirely British. In this journey of 70 years the once dominant British law has been reduced to a shadow and the once non existent Islamic law is now the basic and core structure of pakistan law. Infact majority of our law system is now derived from Islamic law. As times pass by British law will die its natural death if not kept to a bare minimum for past precedents which are very true for pakistan bcz remember pakistan is the inheritor of Britain and all the precedents and case laws that British delivered during their stay in the subcontinent.

You can't do it on a snap. These things take time as is the phasing out of English. Its a slow process but Urdu is slowly becoming more dominant as a national bridge language over the previous english as well as the office language. The process will take time but it will be done.

As for murree brewery. As I mentioned alcohol is only allowed for non Muslims as we being Muslims respect non Muslims and their religion which is the heart and soul of islam. Minority rights is what differentiates islam from many other religions. Alcohol consumption by a Muslim is illegal and punishable under CRPC drinking which is described as shurb in pakistan penal code under section 6 and is covered by section 6-11 which covers not only drinking but also intoxicants such as drugs.

Do you know that punishment for drinking in hadd ( sec 8) in Pakistan Law is 80 stripes for an adult ( adult definition under section 2a) and the proof under section 9 is confession or witness statement where the witness must be Muslim, adult, and must satisfy the court that he is in accordance with tazkiyat al shahood which is truthful and abstains from major sins.

And sec 11 covers tazir as well and it can also prosecute non Muslims even non Muslim non citizens of pakistan if they drink in public..

That's pretty Islamic.

TBH nobody gets punished for drinking alcohol or sleeping with a girl in Pakistan. This isn't Saudi Arabia or Iran . Neither are we living in Zia's era . Many areas of Islamabad and Lahore are unislamic and the govt knows about it . Pakistan isn't your typical Islamic country .

 

[Jawad iqbal]

Your people won't allow us, by sending your suicide bombers over the "border". Everytime we build something your govt sends a bag of amonium nitrate...



I'll kept the culture shit to myself as long as one of your idiot brothers doesn't say Pashtun culture and Pakistani/India culture have commonalities.

i am representative of pashtuns here..u dont even know ur own breed properly.so keep ur shit to urself..

 

[A-Team]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1826472067586753

eye opener for you @Kandahari

This guy makes some pretty good programs. Kudos to him for touching real issues in the society.

Dagha sta da para de.

Peera, welcome to PDF, seems you have stirred quite a bit of controversy over here, patience my friend

Anyways I for one of the opinion that we Afghans must let go of this historical linkages if you will, an individual which is loyal to the Afghan state supersede whatever linguistic or cultural linkages we have with others.

An Afghan Tajik, Uzbek, Hazara is much closer to an Afghan Pakhtoon then say a Pakhtoo speaking Pakistani. Pakhtoons across the Durand Line are loyal to the Pakistani constitution /state and thus its our duty to draw a line on where our interests lie.

lar-aw-bar is just a fiction at this moment.

You are welcome to disagree

/Peace

 

[jupiter2007]

The reputation of Afghan nationals as crooks, criminals, drug and weapon smugglers is self-made. The good Afghans end up being the victim of these haughty and arrogant ones. Its unfortunate that Afghanistan is on a collision course with us when we have a common interest in defeating the Taliban.


You follow the site? If I know about the identity of that traitor Karachi I will reveal it to the world. He insults our punjabi brothers, insults Pakistan and abuses anyone who tries to defend Pakistan. His insults to Pakistan are so severe that I am shocked. This is why muhajirs have such a bad reputation in Pakistan-never defend the country but be involved in all sorts of ethnic chauvinism. Altaf and his insults are common things. A lot of our muhajir relatives know Altaf is a traitor but still vote for him. Its shameful.

His approach might be wrong but there are some fundamental issues in Sindh which needs to be resolve. Sindh province should be split into 2 but not based on ethnicity, rather it's a requirement for management of the resouces and people. But before we get into a discussion of new provinces, we need to decenterlize the power to district/metro level.
I have already written about different responsiblities of district and Metro, and how they should be divided.This will certainly reduce the size of federal/centeral government, and in some cases even reduce the size of provincial government.

To improve the law and order siutation in Katachi and after Altaf Hussian speech, Pakistani government should have banned MQM, but our corrupt politicians are trying to save each other.

 

[saiyan0321]

TBH nobody gets punished for drinking alcohol or sleeping with a girl in Pakistan. This isn't Saudi Arabia or Iran . Neither are we living in Zia's era . Many areas of Islamabad and Lahore are unislamic and the govt knows about it . Pakistan isn't your typical Islamic country .

Actuay nobody cares around here. Action can be taken as law exists and case can be made but who is going to go into court of law for some guy drinking. The process is long and will require witnesses and all that hubbab and court fees, lawyer fees and all that. Nobody bothers but there is law in pakistan and bcz of that nobody does it in the open and those that do it in secret are not informed....


The thing I was pointing is that pakistan does have Islamic law and pakistan law is largely Islamic law. The strictness found in countries like Iran and Arabia are more tolerant.

I personally despite all its flaws pakistan jurisprudence is very unique. We have shades of British yet are largely Islamic law whilst allowing all sects to receive justice in accordance to their own justist law. That's pretty amazing. We need reforms but the positive must be appreciated.

Have you ever seen anyone getting lashes as punishment? :p :p :p law is their to support that punishment but its not given. :p

 

[Jawad iqbal]

This guy makes some pretty good programs. Kudos to him for touching real issues in the society.



Peera, welcome to PDF, seems you have stirred quite a bit of controversy over here, patience my friend

Anyways I for one of the opinion that we Afghans must let go of this historical linkages if you will, an individual which is loyal to the Afghan state supersede whatever linguistic or cultural linkages we have with others.

An Afghan Tajik, Uzbek, Hazara is much closer to an Afghan Pakhtoon then say a Pakhtoo speaking Pakistani. Pakhtoons across the Durand Line are loyal to the Pakistani constitution and thus its our duty to draw a line between on where our interests lie.

lar-aw-bar is just a fiction at this moment.

You are welcome to disagree

/Peace

sorry bro have grown up having afghans around me.but some butthurts like these give me cancer when ever they talk about Afghanistan and Pakistan like this..so when ever they brag to remind me of history ,ethnicity i feel like i need to remind them about some facts

 

[MadDog]

Pashtuns have nothing in common with your people besides Islam if even that. We do not support you or you country. Who has feed you this nonsense? Northern alliance no longer exists, please speak in the present day.

The people that you have cultural commonalities is your motherland India.

Please prevent yourself from spreading such false info next time. Thanks

Pakistan's Pushtun population has similiarity with Afghanistan's Pushtun population, same with Pakistan's Punjabis and Indian Punjabis and Pakistan's Baloch and Iran's Baloch.
Overlapping of ethnic groups is common across the world, Kurdish population overlaps in Syria, Iraq and Turkey. Arabs overlap between Iraq and Iran. Its the same case across Europe.

National front wields significant position in corridors of power in Kabul and it is basically Northern Alliance revamped and given a new name.

Personally I don't agree with the title of this thread, Afghanistan has acted as an adversary for Pakistan since its inception. Pakistan should focus on CPEC and use Xingjiang to acces Central Asia and cooperate with Iran in this project since Iran has officially requested joining CPEC. Afghanistan's quagmire is complex and won't be solved in the next few decades, it is better to circumvent it rather than have any kind of linkage with it.

 

[Khan_21]

Actuay nobody cares around here. Action can be taken as law exists and case can be made but who is going to go into court of law for some guy drinking. The process is long and will require witnesses and all that hubbab and court fees, lawyer fees and all that. Nobody bothers but there is law in pakistan and bcz of that nobody does it in the open and those that do it in secret are not informed....


The thing I was pointing is that pakistan does have Islamic law and pakistan law is largely Islamic law. The strictness found in countries like Iran and Arabia are more tolerant.

I personally despite all its flaws pakistan jurisprudence is very unique. We have shades of British yet are largely Islamic law whilst allowing all sects to receive justice in accordance to their own justist law. That's pretty amazing. We need reforms but the positive must be appreciated.

Have you ever seen anyone getting lashes as punishment? :p :p :p law is their to support that punishment but its not given. :p

I don't feel like anyone drinking in Pakistan should be punished or made a big deal out it . We have bigger things to worry about . Our country is on the right track at the moment and we should be working to make it more prosperous rather than punishing people for wearing shorts , skirts or drinking . I don't think in current scenario anyone can be lashed . Media and civil society will take Govt to the cleaners .

Most of the universities in Islamabad , Lahore , Karachi have similar parties to what you have abroad . But If they seem to enjoy that particular lifestyle then why bother ? People with Liberal /western life styles live in large numbers across our urban areas . As far as they ain't hurting anyone and minding their own business we shouldn't be worried .