Afghan refugees face repatriation after 30 years in Pakistan

[pakistani342]

Article on the Business Standard here, excerpts below:

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Fifty-five years old Zamir, who manages a United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) school...

"My children and grandchildren were born here. They are more Pakistani than Afghani," says Mohamed Zamir, one of the residents of the Kababian refugee camp in Peshawar, set up in 1981, housing 11,300 Afghan refugees.

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Sher Ali, a second generation refugee who was born in Pakistan 33 years ago, says he doesn't want to return to Afghanistan, a country in which he has never lived.

"I was born here, I work here. This is the place I know, in Afghanistan, I am like a foreigner," says Ali, whose family came to Pakistan in 1979.

 

[Pomegranate]

"My children and grandchildren were born here. They are more Pakistani than Afghani," says Mohamed Zamir, one of the residents of the Kababian refugee camp in Peshawar, set up in 1981, housing 11,300 Afghan refugees.

No thanks mr zamir you need to go to afghanistan we dont need you here ....

 

[kaonalpha]

Like we give a damn. Ever since the Afghan came they were followed along by Bangladeshi, Uzbek and so on.
Our approach should be that of Nazi towards the Jews.

 

[pakistani342]

Like we give a damn. Ever since the Afghan came they were followed along by Bangladeshi, Uzbek and so on.
Our approach should be that of Nazi towards the Jews.

I mean I don't know how you grew up -- what you studied to make this statement.

The Nazis were not some hip high school band -- if you want to understand what the Nazis did to the Jewish people and other minorities, you may want to read this thin book: "Night" by Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel. The Nazis: De-humanized: Humiliated, Starved, Dispossessed, Tortured, Experimented-on and finally killed 6 million human beings who happened to be Jews. Doing that to Animals is a grave crime let alone Human beings

I personally would prefer the collapse of Pakistan to anything approaching the crimes Nazis perpetrated against the Jewish people.

Please please please, for your own sake study what the Nazis did and imagine if this was done to you, your brothers, sisters, parts and then think about the statement you made.

 

[jha]

Article on the Business Standard here, excerpts below:

..................

Fifty-five years old Zamir, who manages a United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) school...

"My children and grandchildren were born here. They are more Pakistani than Afghani," says Mohamed Zamir, one of the residents of the Kababian refugee camp in Peshawar, set up in 1981, housing 11,300 Afghan refugees.

...............

Sher Ali, a second generation refugee who was born in Pakistan 33 years ago, says he doesn't want to return to Afghanistan, a country in which he has never lived.

"I was born here, I work here. This is the place I know, in Afghanistan, I am like a foreigner," says Ali, whose family came to Pakistan in 1979.

A very big humanitarian crisis in making. More emphasis is being given by Pakistani leaders these days on this issue. Will be very troubling for lot of people.

 

[Hamoon]

A very big humanitarian crisis in making. More emphasis is being given by Pakistani leaders these days on this issue. Will be very troubling for lot of people.

Ask India to accept them we will send them via wahga border.

 

[ifesvr]

Please please please, for your own sake study what the Nazis did and imagine if this was done to you, your brothers, sisters, parts and then think about the statement you made.

Oh they pretty much know who the Nazis were and what they did to the Jews. Where else do you think they learned how to treat the Bengalis in "East Pakistan"?

 

[kaonalpha]

I appreciate your concern. But my opinion is final along with our batch. The Afghan are no longer brothers, Muslim companions or any other form of trust worthy relations. Trying to resolve this issue in a typical manner of so-called " CIVILISED " methods has failed.

The general Afghan population both in Pakistan and Afghanistan are bitterly against us. The tortures methods are the only way in dealing with an enemy in whose veins nothing flows but war, treachery, deceit and rage. The Afghan history is filled with madness amongst their people. The approach of the USSR was justifiable. Because the only language they understand is that of strength.

These actions are " Very Much Justifiable" in war.

We have done and performed cruel operation including shooting children wearing suicide vests and stripping and ruthlessly torturing afgan terrorists in ways which even surpass the Nazi.

Do not make me laugh with your sympathetic approach towards the Afghans but when you grew up and saw how the Afghans came and took oer your homes , your jobs and brought their infighting to your city. Your opinion will he same as ours.

Read " TheTaliban Shuffle" by Tim baker.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Oh they pretty much know who the Nazis were and what they did to the Jews. Where else do you think they learned how to treat the Bengalis in "East Pakistan"?

sorry, but no one believes the propaganda now, its too old and the world has moved on

 

[ebrahym]

Oh they pretty much know who the Nazis were and what they did to the Jews. Where else do you think they learned how to treat the Bengalis in "East Pakistan"?

from indian army in 1947

A very big humanitarian crisis in making. More emphasis is being given by Pakistani leaders these days on this issue. Will be very troubling for lot of people.

sir be the good lad and accept them as refugees you can much from it

 

[Dawood Ibrahim]

Let them prove their loyalty by sending them on the borders and inside Afghanistan to finish TTP and their Sponsor's and their puppets in Kabul than we will let you live in Pakistan

 

[pakistani342]

I appreciate your concern. But my opinion is final along with our batch. The Afghan are no longer brothers, Muslim companions or any other form of trust worthy relations. Trying to resolve this issue in a typical manner of so-called " CIVILISED " methods has failed.

The general Afghan population both in Pakistan and Afghanistan are bitterly against us. The tortures methods are the only way in dealing with an enemy in whose veins nothing flows but war, treachery, deceit and rage. The Afghan history is filled with madness amongst their people. The approach of the USSR was justifiable. Because the only language they understand is that of strength.

These actions are " Very Much Justifiable" in war.

We have done and performed cruel operation including shooting children wearing suicide vests and stripping and ruthlessly torturing afgan terrorists in ways which even surpass the Nazi.

Do not make me laugh with your sympathetic approach towards the Afghans but when you grew up and saw how the Afghans came and took oer your homes , your jobs and brought their infighting to your city. Your opinion will he same as ours.

Read " TheTaliban Shuffle" by Tim baker.

I read the Taliban Shuffle when it came out.

I am for using the repatriation Afghan of Afghan refugees as a pressure mechanism on The Afghan state and The Afghan people -- though I am troubled by the moral implications for an undertaking.

Now on the question of the Holocaust -- I can almost confidently say that you have no idea of what the Holocaust was -- even myself, someone who has made a concerted effort to understand it has barely scratched the surface. The Holocaust went far beyond Genocide, ethnic cleansing or using civilians as targets in a war.

The Holocaust is probably the vilest manifestation of what Humanity can accomplish -- it is so sad the Muslims in particular do no understand or for that matter care to understand the enormity of the crime that was the holocaust. I would suggest that you please read the book Night -- if that is one thing you can do. I myself read the biography of Anne Frank at a very early age -- bit it was not until I was in my late 20s and 30s that I think I started to understand what evil the Holocaust entailed.

Oh they pretty much know who the Nazis were and what they did to the Jews. Where else do you think they learned how to treat the Bengalis in "East Pakistan"?

I am sorry to say but you are grossly wrong and possibly utterly dishonest

The Muslims world (and to this I would at the world at large and especially India and the sub continent at large) have no understanding of what the Holocaust was.

Even here in the US -- kids in High school are largely ignorant unless the go to some of the more elite institutions.

Second -- comparing the suffering of the Bengalis at the hands of West Pakistanis to the Holocaust is a dangerous and dishonest comparison.

A 90,000 or 100,000 number Army (the actual figure is lower, closer to 50,000 -- the rest were civilians that are dishonestly counted as part of the Pak Army) that is logistically cut off, surrounded by a hostile population that has been trained and actively abetted by a hostile regional power (India) cannot undertake a vile project like the Holocaust even if it were to desire.

The crimes of the Pakistani military in Bangladesh are unforgivable and must not be swept under the rug -- but to conflate them to the holocaust is possibly a worse dishonesty.

Such conflations are not uncommon: attempts are made to conflate other human tragedies such as the Bosnian genocide, the Rwandan genocide, the Armenian genocide, the suffering of the Palestinian people are simply dishonest or at best misguided and ill informed.

Now for those who do correctly point at the crimes of the Pakistani Military in Bangladesh -- they conveniently or ignorantly fail to point to the crimes of the worlds largest democracy -- the crimes perpetrated by the Mukti Bhani on the pro-Pakistani civilian population or the Urdu speaking Biharis are just as bad or worse -- I don't think there are any records of Pakistani Army or Pakistani proxies boiling people alive -- which the Mukti Bhani performed with criminal abandon.

 

[kaonalpha]

I read the Taliban Shuffle when it came out.

I am for using the repatriation Afghan of Afghan refugees as a pressure mechanism on The Afghan state and The Afghan people -- though I am troubled by the moral implications for an undertaking.

Now on the question of the Holocaust -- I can almost confidently say that you have no idea of what the Holocaust was -- even myself, someone who has made a concerted effort to understand it has barely scratched the surface. The Holocaust went far beyond Genocide, ethnic cleansing or using civilians as targets in a war.

The Holocaust is probably the vilest manifestation of what Humanity can accomplish -- it is so sad the Muslims in particular do no understand or for that matter care to understand the enormity of the crime that was the holocaust. I would suggest that you please read the book Night -- if that is one thing you can do. I myself read the biography of Anne Frank at a very early age -- bit it was not until I was in my late 20s and 30s that I think I started to understand what evil the Holocaust entailed.

Majority of the Holocaust stories are highly exaggerated and jewish sponsored. And even making a mention of jew or Jewish issues is considered as "Anti-Semitic".

Don't give me a lesson on Holocaust.

 

[Dawood Ibrahim]

I read the Taliban Shuffle when it came out.

I am for using the repatriation Afghan of Afghan refugees as a pressure mechanism on The Afghan state and The Afghan people -- though I am troubled by the moral implications for an undertaking.

Now on the question of the Holocaust -- I can almost confidently say that you have no idea of what the Holocaust was -- even myself, someone who has made a concerted effort to understand it has barely scratched the surface. The Holocaust went far beyond Genocide, ethnic cleansing or using civilians as targets in a war.

The Holocaust is probably the vilest manifestation of what Humanity can accomplish -- it is so sad the Muslims in particular do no understand or for that matter care to understand the enormity of the crime that was the holocaust. I would suggest that you please read the book Night -- if that is one thing you can do. I myself read the biography of Anne Frank at a very early age -- bit it was not until I was in my late 20s and 30s that I think I started to understand what evil the Holocaust entailed.



I am sorry to say but you are grossly wrong and possibly utterly dishonest

The Muslims world (and to this I would at the world at large and especially India and the sub continent at large) have no understanding of what the Holocaust was.

Even here in the US -- kids in High school are largely ignorant unless the go to some of the more elite institutions.

Second -- comparing the suffering of the Bengalis at the hands of West Pakistanis to the Holocaust is a dangerous and dishonest comparison.

A 90,000 or 100,000 number Army (the actual figure is lower, closer to 50,000 -- the rest were civilians that are dishonestly counted as part of the Pak Army) that is logistically cut off, surrounded by a hostile population that has been trained and actively abetted by a hostile regional power (India) cannot undertake a vile project like the Holocaust even if it were to desire.

The crimes of the Pakistani military in Bangladesh are unforgivable and must not be swept under the rug -- but to conflate them to the holocaust is possibly a worse dishonesty.

Such conflations are not uncommon: attempts are made to conflate other human tragedies such as the Bosnian genocide, the Rwandan genocide, the Armenian genocide, the suffering of the Palestinian people are simply dishonest or at best misguided and ill informed.

Now for those who do correctly point at the crimes of the Pakistani Military in Bangladesh -- they conveniently or ignorantly fail to point to the crimes of the worlds largest democracy -- the crimes perpetrated by the Mukti Bhani on the pro-Pakistani civilian population or the Urdu speaking Biharis are just as bad or worse -- I don't think there are any records of Pakistani Army or Pakistani proxies boiling people alive -- which the Mukti Bhani performed with criminal abandon.

Relax buddy in short jus write i (you) dont
agree with above comments simple as that

 

[pakistani342]

Majority of the Holocaust stories are highly exaggerated and jewish sponsored. And even making a mention of jew or Jewish issues is considered as "Anti-Semitic".

Don't give me a lesson on Holocaust.

Yes, how did you arrive at the conclusion that they are exaggerated.

Yes the stories would have been totally lost had it not for been the fact that the German state kept immaculate records.

Anyway -- your disgraceful comprehension of the subject is sadly prevalent in the Muslim world.

The victims of the Holocaust are no-more but such attitudes have poisoned the Muslim world -- its victims are Muslims