Afghan ANSF making huge strides

[A-Team]

A great audio/text report detailing Afghan ANA and how it has improved markedly over the course of last few years. The ANSF especially ANA has gathered the respect of the Afghan population, and the barbarian Taliban are just a bunch of insects are which exterminated each day. Take that scum!!
Governance is a bit weak but Ashraf Ghani is a no nonsense president who wont accept corruption.


Afghan Army Makes Progress; Will Government Services Follow? | WBUR & NPR

 

[That Guy]

While the ANA and the security forces as a whole, have improved drastically, Afghanistan's military forces still suffer from high drop out and high casualty rates. Defections are the biggest concern, as to this day, the ANA has a tough time sustaining it's numbers.

Ethnic representation also still a major issue, as the ANA is still considered by many Southern Afghans as a Tajik dominated service, in other words, foreign.

 

[Dalit]

While the ANA and the security forces as a whole, have improved drastically, Afghanistan's military forces still suffer from high drop out and high casualty rates. Defections are the biggest concern, as to this day, the ANA has a tough time sustaining it's numbers.

Ethnic representation also still a major issue, as the ANA is still considered by many Southern Afghans as a Tajik dominated service, in other words, foreign.

Let me mince no words.The Afghan security apparatus is simply not up to the task. After so many years of training by US/NATO forces nothing tangible has been produced. If today, the US/NATO forces left, the Afghan forces would be ultimately overrun by a bunch of ragtag militias. The constant delay of a complete US/NATO withdrawal can chiefly be attributed to the fact that Afghan forces simply aren't able of taking over the responsibilities.

Currently the Afghans have launched an offensive against the Taliban near the provincial capital of Kunduz. According to the Afghans the IS has joined the Taliban. Like as if beating the Taliban wasn't already an impossible task. In this instance, the Afghan security forces have struggled to expel the Taliban from the area. Add to that, the Afghans don't have enough air power and their helicopters lack armaments. The Afghan forces constantly seek US/NATO air strikes, but they are turned down.

 

[A-Team]

Let me mince no words.The Afghan security apparatus is simply not up to the task. After so many years of training by US/NATO forces nothing tangible has been produced. If today, the US/NATO forces left, the Afghan forces would be ultimately overrun by a bunch of ragtag militias. The constant delay of a complete US/NATO withdrawal can chiefly be attributed to the fact that Afghan forces simply aren't able of taking over the responsibilities.

Currently the Afghans have launched an offensive against the Taliban near the provincial capital of Kunduz. According to the Afghans the IS has joined the Taliban. Like as if beating the Taliban wasn't already an impossible task. In this instance, the Afghan security forces have struggled to expel the Taliban from the area. Add to that, the Afghans don't have enough air power and their helicopters lack armaments. The Afghan forces constantly seek US/NATO air strikes, but they are turned down.

Not upto to the task ? Can you elaborate on that one..

Last time I checked the ANSF has kept major populations center out of the reach of the Taliban, show me one major city in Afghanistan that is being over run, just year or so ago there over 100k NATO forces and now they are less than 10k, while the ANSF is carrying around 20 major operations around the country, I say a force that is around 10 years old has done a one hell of job considering circumstances.

So it beats me when you say Afghans are not taking responsibility

As an FYI : For that is happening in the country, Afghan population have nothing but respect, admiration for the ANSF, which is something that Taliban barbarians can only dream.

 

[Dalit]

Not upto to the task ? Can you elaborate on that one..

Last time I checked the ANSF has kept major populations center out of the reach of the Taliban, show me one major city in Afghanistan that is being over run, just year or so ago there over 100k NATO forces and now they are less than 10k, while the ANSF is carrying around 20 major operations around the country, I say a force that is around 10 years old has done a one hell of job considering circumstances.

So it beats me when you say Afghans are not taking responsibility

As an FYI : For that is happening in the country, Afghan population have nothing but respect, admiration for the ANSF, which is something that Taliban barbarians can only dream.

Yep, not up to the task. Making great strides shouldn't be confused with the Afghan army's inability to curb and crush the Afghan Taliban. I've already stated some of the reasons in my previous post.

I'm not disputing the gains and successes made by the Afghan army. I'm merely saying that it is ludicrous to think that the Afghan army can beat the Afghan Taliban on its own strength. They cannot. The Afghan army despite some advances is dealing with various major internal problems. The Afghan army has relied a great deal on US/NATO assistance to tackle the Afghan Taliban insurgency. The existing US/NATO troops are the reason why Afghanistan hasn't fallen back into complete chaos. The US/NATO troops are providing extensive help to the Afghan army. Without their support the Afghan army is not able to effectively fight the Afghan Taliban. The Afghan army still has a long way to go before it can truly and effectively take over the reign and take on the Afghan Taliban on its own.

I've never claimed that Afghans aren't taking responsibility.

Let's get some facts straight. The Afghan population is severely fragmented due to the alienation of certain ethnic groups. The Afghan Taliban can never be defeated as long as the alienated segment of the Afghan population is taken into full confidence and reconciliation process.

 

[GiannKall]

Its early to say what will happen. In Iraq American forces left in 2011 claiming that they had stabilised the country. 4 years of desertions, corruption and low level insurgency lead to the disaster of the government loosing one third of the country to rebels. The problem is not the Taliban. The problem is inside the government

 

[A-Team]

Its early to say what will happen. In Iraq American forces left in 2011 claiming that they had stabilised the country. 4 years of desertions, corruption and low level insurgency lead to the disaster of the government loosing one third of the country to rebels. The problem is not the Taliban. The problem is inside the government

Which is understandable with a country which was in turmoil for the last 30 years, Afghanistan and Iraq are different, Afghans have tasted the bitter memories of the civil war and want nothing to do with it. Afghans at its score are nationalists who with all its miseries want a united Afghanistan which is not the case in Iraq. Furthermore Ashraf Ghani is probably one of the most competent and scholarly president in the region and his approach of no nonsense will tilt the momentum towards the positive. Last not but not least the region and big powers alike has lot riding on Afghanistan and they know very well that failed Afghanistan means a failed neighborhood, not sure if you can say that for the Iraqi neighbors though.


PS :- I was in Corfu and will be visiting Santorini soon, heard that Santorini is far better though, hope that is case

Its early to say what will happen. In Iraq American forces left in 2011 claiming that they had stabilised the country. 4 years of desertions, corruption and low level insurgency lead to the disaster of the government loosing one third of the country to rebels. The problem is not the Taliban. The problem is inside the government

Which is understandable with a country which was in turmoil for the last 30 years, Afghanistan and Iraq are different, Afghans have tasted the bitter memories of the civil war and want nothing to do with it. Afghans at its score are nationalists who with all its miseries want a united Afghanistan which is not the case in Iraq. Furthermore Ashraf Ghani is probably one of the most competent and scholarly president in the region and his approach of no nonsense will tilt the momentum towards the positive. Last not but not least the region and big powers alike has lot riding on Afghanistan and they know very well that failed Afghanistan means a failed neighborhood, not sure if you can say that for the Iraqi neighbors though.


PS :- I was in Corfu and will be visiting Santorini soon, heard that Santorini is far better though, hope that is case

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

All the best to Afghanistan ... A stable and friendly Afghanistan is in the best interest of Pakistan.


But the truth is that you can't win this war.. In the end there will be a political negotiation .. Which we are already routing for... Bringing taliban (Main leaders) to table to end this deadly insurgency..

 

[A-Team]

All the best to Afghanistan ... A stable and friendly Afghanistan is in the best interest of Pakistan.


But the truth is that you can't win this war.. In the end there will be a political negotiation .. Which we are already routing for... Bringing taliban (Main leaders) to table to end this deadly insurgency..

Ashraf Ghani has been saying all along, those who want to negotiate and want to live peacefully in Afghanistan are more then welcome and we will welcome them with open arms, but those who want to kill our children and women will face the full force of the ANSF.

The fact of the matter is that the Taliban are a spent force, they may be able to kill civilians or put bombs here and there but their message, their vision is outdate, Afghanistan has changed in the last decade or so and these guys better wake up before its too late. They better integerate into the Afghan society, if they have issues, go to the ballet and if people vote for Mullah Omar he can rule the country but the truth is that their just an outdated phenomena and they know it.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Best of luck.

Any map showing the parts controlled by ANA?

 

[Kabira]

Taliban was never threat to organized army but after losing this battle they will switch to killing civilians. The best way is to bomb the hell out of them from air.