Abe seeking improved ties with China: reports

[beijingwalker]

Abe seeking improved ties with China: reports

 

[TaiShang]

Abe seeking improved ties with China: reports

Well, he has no other place to go after his best friends Hillary and Obama were politically buried alive despite all the corruption, regime media support and even exchanging debate questions.

China, the natural historical leader of the Northeast Asia will likely accept him gracefully re-enter the Confucian sphere of interaction.

 

[beijingwalker]

Well, he has no other place to go after his best friends Hillary and Obama were politically buried alive despite all the corruption, regime media support and even exchanging debate questions.

China, the natural historical leader of the Northeast Asia will likely accept him gracefully re-enter the Confucian sphere of interaction.

But the report says that president Xi didn't give a clear answer.

 

[TaiShang]

But the report says that president Xi didn't give a clear answer.

That's not surprising given that Japan does seem not clear about what they want to do under post-Hillary (Obama) international conditions.

On China-Japan relations, China won't be taking the initiative.

Abe can show his sincerity by speeding up the CJKFTA process.

 

[ahojunk]

Abe seeking improved ties with China: reports

.
Okay, this is a report by SK news outlet, a neutral one.

The first thing that comes to my mind is Trump may have said something to Abe that has bothered him.

Abe rushed to NY to meet with President-elect Trump.

After the meeting, Abe gave a brief news conference and said everything went well.

What is more interesting is there is no news from Trump re this meeting.

Now Abe wants to improve ties with China. WTH.

 

[AlyxMS]

This is a joke right?

Abe spent most of his career messing with China, honoring WWII war criminals, supporting China's political rivals with the SCS situation.

Now this?
The hell just happened?

 

[Shotgunner51]

The first thing that comes to my mind is Trump may have said something to Abe that has bothered him.

Perhaps Trump asked Abe to shoulder more defence expenditure of US troops, in order to cut US federal deficits while not antagonizing MIC at home?

http://www.news18.com/news/world/japan-says-it-already-pays-enough-for-us-troops-1310997.html
http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/wo...cle_34721e29-dea6-532b-ad66-5d30744e2171.html
http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Eco...for-Japan-to-reconsider-the-price-of-security​

November 15, 2016 4:00 pm JST
Time for Japan to reconsider the price of security
ITARU OISHI, Nikkei senior staff writer

TOKYO -- The arrival of Donald Trump as president of the U.S. presents a major challenge to the U.S.-Japan alliance.

Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia and other countries "do not pay us what they should be paying us" for the hefty defense expenditures the U.S. shoulders, Trump said during his campaign, drawing cheers from his supporters.

The price of security

Former Vice Finance Minister Shunsuke Kagawa, who died last year, once examined Japan's defense budget when he was an official working on allocations. He eventually cut the so-called "sympathy budget", the term used to describe funds provided by the Japanese government in support of U.S. forces stationed in Japan, such as those to cover wages for Japanese workers at military bases.

Japan paid 6.2 billion yen ($57.17 million at the current exchange rate) when the program began in fiscal 1978. As the budget swelled to a record 275.6 billion yen in fiscal 1999, Kagawa visited the U.S. military headquarters to make a plea for putting off any spending that could be delayed.

It was the first time the Japanese government had made such a request. The move surprised the U.S., but it eventually accepted a budget cut.

The Foreign Ministry and the Defense Agency (now the Ministry of Defense) could not believe that Kagawa directly negotiated with the U.S., in effect going over their heads, and both resorted to rollback campaigns involving lawmakers from the ruling Liberal Democratic Party who represented the defense industry.

As a result, the cut in the sympathy budget for fiscal 2000 was trimmed down to 100 million yen. No matter the size, "the first budget cut remained as a fact," Kagawa said proudly.

The budget has since continued to be reduced. In fiscal 2015, it totaled 189.9 billion yen.

The U.S. may think it possible to extract more funds from Japan, while Japan may consider that a moderate increase is a good buy if it satisfies the Trump administration.

Opening a different door

But there has been almost no debate in Japan on why the budget is necessary. Lawmakers have said no more than the Japan-U.S. relationship is the cornerstone of Japan's diplomacy.

The late former Prime Minister Shigeru Yoshida, who signed the Japan-U.S. security treaty, described the U.S. forces stationed in Japan as the nation's "watchdog."

In his book "On War," Carl von Clausewitz, a Prussian general and military strategist, said that when a country tries to save another country from a crisis, it does not show the same zeal as for addressing its own exigency.

Can the security of Japan be ensured with an alliance it has purchased?

Trump shows little interest in fine rhetoric when he bundles the U.S., Japan, South Korea, Australia and other countries as "alliance partners sharing the values of liberalism and a market economy."

The French newspaper Le Monde has said Trump would not sacrifice the U.S. for the sake of its allies.

Under the circumstances, calls for Japan to be self-reliant are gathering steam. Defense Minister Tomomi Inada has proposed two studies: one for the possibility of Japan becoming independent on the defense front, and another about ways to reinforce the country's U.S. alliance and cooperation with other allies.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has surrounded himself with many advocates of autonomous self-defense. Chances are high that they will call for reinforcing Japan's Self-Defense Forces rather than increasing the sympathy budget.

But can a world full of countries with independent defense systems last long? "War is costly" is probably the sole theory acceptable to Trump. Does this represent an advance or setback in the Japan-U.S. bond?

 

[ahojunk]

TOKYO -- The arrival of Donald Trump as president of the U.S. presents a major challenge to the U.S.-Japan alliance.

Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia and other countries "do not pay us what they should be paying us" for the hefty defense expenditures the U.S. shoulders, Trump said during his campaign, drawing cheers from his supporters.

Trump shows little interest in fine rhetoric when he bundles the U.S., Japan, South Korea, Australia and other countries as "alliance partners sharing the values of liberalism and a market economy."

The French newspaper Le Monde has said Trump would not sacrifice the U.S. for the sake of its allies.

A businessman thinks differently to that of a politician.

For a businessman, it is definitely "money talks, bullsh*t walks."

"If you give the money, I can give you some honey."

 

[Shotgunner51]

A businessman thinks differently to that of a politician.

For a businessman, it is definitely "money talks, bullsh*t walks."

"If you give the money, I can give you some honey."

Politicians are not supposed to think, but do what they are being told.

Capitalists do the thinking.

Trump is a capitalist-politician from outside the establishment. Though by nature he will still hate China like any westerner does, but as a capitalist he can be used.

 

[Boss Dragun]

Perhaps Trump asked Abe to shoulder more defence expenditure of US troops, in order to cut US federal deficits while not antagonizing MIC at home?

http://www.news18.com/news/world/japan-says-it-already-pays-enough-for-us-troops-1310997.html
http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/wo...cle_34721e29-dea6-532b-ad66-5d30744e2171.html
http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Eco...for-Japan-to-reconsider-the-price-of-security​

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November 15, 2016 4:00 pm JST
Time for Japan to reconsider the price of security
ITARU OISHI, Nikkei senior staff writer

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TOKYO -- The arrival of Donald Trump as president of the U.S. presents a major challenge to the U.S.-Japan alliance.

Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia and other countries "do not pay us what they should be paying us" for the hefty defense expenditures the U.S. shoulders, Trump said during his campaign, drawing cheers from his supporters.

The price of security

Former Vice Finance Minister Shunsuke Kagawa, who died last year, once examined Japan's defense budget when he was an official working on allocations. He eventually cut the so-called "sympathy budget", the term used to describe funds provided by the Japanese government in support of U.S. forces stationed in Japan, such as those to cover wages for Japanese workers at military bases.

Japan paid 6.2 billion yen ($57.17 million at the current exchange rate) when the program began in fiscal 1978. As the budget swelled to a record 275.6 billion yen in fiscal 1999, Kagawa visited the U.S. military headquarters to make a plea for putting off any spending that could be delayed.

It was the first time the Japanese government had made such a request. The move surprised the U.S., but it eventually accepted a budget cut.

The Foreign Ministry and the Defense Agency (now the Ministry of Defense) could not believe that Kagawa directly negotiated with the U.S., in effect going over their heads, and both resorted to rollback campaigns involving lawmakers from the ruling Liberal Democratic Party who represented the defense industry.

As a result, the cut in the sympathy budget for fiscal 2000 was trimmed down to 100 million yen. No matter the size, "the first budget cut remained as a fact," Kagawa said proudly.

The budget has since continued to be reduced. In fiscal 2015, it totaled 189.9 billion yen.

The U.S. may think it possible to extract more funds from Japan, while Japan may consider that a moderate increase is a good buy if it satisfies the Trump administration.

Opening a different door

But there has been almost no debate in Japan on why the budget is necessary. Lawmakers have said no more than the Japan-U.S. relationship is the cornerstone of Japan's diplomacy.

The late former Prime Minister Shigeru Yoshida, who signed the Japan-U.S. security treaty, described the U.S. forces stationed in Japan as the nation's "watchdog."

In his book "On War," Carl von Clausewitz, a Prussian general and military strategist, said that when a country tries to save another country from a crisis, it does not show the same zeal as for addressing its own exigency.

Can the security of Japan be ensured with an alliance it has purchased?

Trump shows little interest in fine rhetoric when he bundles the U.S., Japan, South Korea, Australia and other countries as "alliance partners sharing the values of liberalism and a market economy."

The French newspaper Le Monde has said Trump would not sacrifice the U.S. for the sake of its allies.

Under the circumstances, calls for Japan to be self-reliant are gathering steam. Defense Minister Tomomi Inada has proposed two studies: one for the possibility of Japan becoming independent on the defense front, and another about ways to reinforce the country's U.S. alliance and cooperation with other allies.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has surrounded himself with many advocates of autonomous self-defense. Chances are high that they will call for reinforcing Japan's Self-Defense Forces rather than increasing the sympathy budget.

But can a world full of countries with independent defense systems last long? "War is costly" is probably the sole theory acceptable to Trump. Does this represent an advance or setback in the Japan-U.S. bond?

This is a double edged situation for Japan. It is more than likely that Trump will try to milk Japan constantly knowing that they have long attached to US. On the other hand, if Japan decided to rely on itself, that'll only makes hostile country like NK to be even more bolder. Japan is screwed both ways. Stepping up ties with north Asian countries is one thing, although I have no idea how long it'll take for Japan to regain their trust since pretty much all north east asian countries has problem with Japan.

 

[TaiShang]

This is a double edged situation for Japan. It is more than likely that Trump will try to milk Japan constantly knowing that they have long attached to US. On the other hand, if Japan decided to rely on itself, that'll only makes hostile country like NK to be even more bolder. Japan is screwed both ways. Stepping up ties with north Asian countries is one thing, although I have no idea how long it'll take for Japan to regain their trust since pretty much all north east asian countries has problem with Japan.

North Korea has no hostility toward Japan outside the context of US containment of the DPRK. So, in case Japan becomes neutral toward the DPRK, then can be rest assured that North Korea will consider them a friendly country.

 

[rott]

*yawn*

 

[Shotgunner51]

This is a double edged situation for Japan. It is more than likely that Trump will try to milk Japan constantly knowing that they have long attached to US. On the other hand, if Japan decided to rely on itself, that'll only makes hostile country like NK to be even more bolder. Japan is screwed both ways. Stepping up ties with north Asian countries is one thing, although I have no idea how long it'll take for Japan to regain their trust since pretty much all north east asian countries has problem with Japan.

Defence is not just a big business, but perhaps the most lucrative one because of it's unique characteristics (semi-transparent, paid by public money, oligarch market). Now that unlike their American counterparts, Japanese taxpayers are reluctant to pay more, I believe defence contractors will do another round of marketing after the SCS organsm e.g. media campaign on Diaoyu, East Seas. Perhaps as you say, NK included, they are easily provoked to act stupidly. Even if Abe is not visiting the Yasukuni Shrine, some congressmen, especially those backed by US-vested Keiretsu (say Sumitomo) will do, sit tight and enjoy the next round of media rhetorics BS.

US Fed Reserves can use these media campaigns too, the more the better.

Back in reality, several Keiretsus are far more vested in China than people know (check steel industry, nuclear industry, but quietly), and NK missile can barely inflict a scratch on Japan unless Chinese industrial complex and energy oligarchs are backing.

https://defence.pk/threads/china-co...l-than-the-rest-of-the-world-combined.457241/

 

[hirobo2]

This is a joke right?

Abe spent most of his career messing with China, honoring WWII war criminals, supporting China's political rivals with the SCS situation.

Now this?
The hell just happened?

It's called double dealing. Putting on a public face while stabbing you in the back. The only ones fooled by these public gestures is Abe himself.

 

[Beast]

It's called double dealing. Putting on a public face while stabbing you in the back. The only ones fooled by these public gestures is Abe himself.

Abe is a well known Anti-China crap. He still think about 大日本帝国.