A Time Will Come, Muslims In India Will Have To Form Their Own National Party: Kancha Ilaiah

[HariPrasad]

VHP is one such organization.

It has become a useless organization captured by Moron like Togadia. We should form an another organization such as VIrat Hindu of Subramanian swamy.

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

It has become a useless organization captured by Moron like Togadia. We should form an another organization such as VIrat Hindu of Subramanian swamy.

Togadia does more for Hindu rights than you, so you do not really get to all him a moron. Togadia has dedicated his life for a cause.

First demonstrate your intent by actions, not cheap words. Then you get to call him names. maybe.

 

[migflug]

all media is behaving as if clamity has came to muslims or christains after 26may. I dont know why they howl so much even a single glass broke in a church as if bjp are nazis..

 

[wolfschanzze]

1. MIM and Muslim League already exist in India ....... how many more muslim national party do the muslims need ?

2. The Author, Ajaml Khan the author is a Kerala muslim who is doing is Post Graduation in TISS, not doctorate

3. Kancha ilaiah and John Dyal are well known Hindu baiter's with zero credibility.

Not to mention nobody takes him seriously even among Dalits,SC/ST and others who he says he represents.
He plays his caste card well to get OP-ED's and all his article are with errors which have no base in real history or proof but some concocted Conjectures.When he is challenged with proof he will cry Victim as a Dalit.So nobody bothers this moron.
He is from my state, Dalits and SC/ST who happen to be my friends hold poor opinion about him.
So you see This guy is the Equivalent of Rahul Gandhi(pappu) writing for the rights of Hindus,everyone knows its a joke.

 

[utraash]

All his credibility coming closer to "Nonsense" with each such articles ....

 

[wolfschanzze]

Maybe. But that remark is completely irrelevant for India, because - get this clearly into your head - India is not "hosting" muslims, any more than India is hosting hindus or christians. Indian muslims are neither the hosts nor the guests, they are equal stakeholders in the country, whether you like it or not.

So please get rid of this patronizing notion that you are graciouly hosting muslims.

Sorry to say, The mind of Indian Muslims is attached to Saudi Arabia and they protest on things which are of no concern to Bharat.Why should we protest for what happens in Palestine or Arabia?
They don't want to integrate into this nation,they hold separate Personal law boards, refuse to follow Universal civil code, Population control , nor want to get educated with modern education and oppress minorities when they are majority like in Kashmir and Kerala.
If they can break away from the above things i mentioned and integrate we can accept they are stakeholders if not they are just guests and we hosts.
Partition was made based on Religion.It was made clear Bharat was for Hindus,Pakistan was for Muslims, then again why spout this nonsense, that Bharat is for everybody when you wanted Partition?Why should we Hindus give up our right of making our own Hindu Rasthra, just to accommodate some guests who voted enmass for Partition and didn't want to go?You have 55+ Islamic countries,we have only one Hindu Nation Bharat and we won't give it up for Secularism just to appease some minority group.

 

[chhota bheem]

Sorry to say, The mind of Indian Muslims is attached to Saudi Arabia and they protest on things which are of no concern to Bharat.Why should we protest for what happens in Palestine or Arabia?
They don't want to integrate into this nation,they hold separate Personal law boards, refuse to follow Universal civil code, Population control , nor want to get educated with modern education and oppress minorities when they are majority like in Kashmir and Kerala.
If they can break away from the above things i mentioned and integrate we can accept they are stakeholders if not they are just guests and we hosts.
Partition was made based on Religion.It was made clear Bharat was for Hindus,Pakistan was for Muslims, then again why spout this nonsense, that Bharat is for everybody when you wanted Partition?Why should we Hindus give up our right of making our own Hindu Rasthra, just to accommodate some guests who voted enmass for Partition and didn't want to go?You have 55+ Islamic countries,we have only one Hindu Nation Bharat and we won't give it up for Secularism just to appease some minority group.

India was for every one not just for Hindus from the very begining,there are other religions in India other than hindus and muslims.

One should not have any problem,atleast i dont have any as long as one puts country first,any one who dsnt agree to that should be kicked out irrespective of religion.India is for Indians not for Hindus,Muslims,Sikhs,etc.

 

[wolfschanzze]

India was for every one not just for Hindus from the very begining,there are other religions in India other than hindus and muslims.

One should not have any problem,atleast i dont have any as long as one puts country first,any one who dsnt agree to that should be kicked out irrespective of religion.India is for Indians not for Hindus,Muslims,Sikhs,etc.

Sanatana Dharma includes a broad range of religions and practices.While Abrahamic religions are seperate from Sanatana Dharma ethos in them being alien and foreign religions which came to Bharat via invasions.
Bharat was partitioned based on Religion because Muslims couldnt bear to live with Hindus aka Sanatana Dharmics and wanted a separate land,Then why peddle that shit again that Bharat is for everyone? When Muslims clearly chose Pakistan?Those were the terms and everyone agreed to it,its a historical fact and no amount of falsification of the founding principles of Partition can make it right.

 

[chhota bheem]

Sanatana Dharma includes a broad range of religions and practices.While Abrahamic religions are seperate from Sanatana Dharma ethos in them being alien and foreign religions which came to Bharat via invasions.
Bharat was partitioned based on Religion because Muslims couldnt bear to live with Hindus aka Sanatana Dharmics and wanted a separate land,Then why peddle that shit again that Bharat is for everyone? When Muslims clearly chose Pakistan?Those were the terms and everyone agreed to it,its a historical fact and no amount of falsification of the founding principles of Partition can make it right.

What about sikhs ,they dint come from any where,are you ok with,if they want a seperate country.

 

[lightoftruth]

First convert people sighting discrimination on the basis of caste to provide them better social-economic status then plead reservation for them sighting that their caste still exist what a load of hypocritical non-sense.

Since when did muslims become socially backward aren't they the one who proudly consider mughal era muslim rule over India.? which thousand years of discrimination and ill practices are their to put them in the same bracket as that of Dalits ?

 

[wolfschanzze]

What about sikhs ,they dint come from any where,are you ok with,if they want a seperate country.

Look Sikhs,Jains,Buddhists,Animists are considered part of Sanatana Dharma ethos.While Abrahamic Religions are quite different and they come from foreign lands.

 

[ayesha.a]

Sorry to say, The mind of Indian Muslims is attached to Saudi Arabia

Not for you to speak on behalf of the entire Indian muslim community. Nobody has the right to do that, not even a muslim. And in this instance, I know for a fact that you are wrong in your generalization.

and they protest on things which are of no concern to Bharat.

Some do, most don't. By the way, protesting on issues that matter to their faith doesn't mean they hold allegiance to Saudi Arabia - they have every right to make their religious issue heard, as do hindus and everybody else.

But in some cases, where they protest explicitly against India's interest and on behalf of their religion alone, yes I agree that such people may hold their religion dearer than their nationality.

But do understand that that is in no way represeantative of th entire Indian muslim community.

Why should we protest for what happens in Palestine or Arabia?

For the same reason that Americans and British and Nordic people sometimes do - as an issue of human rights. You don't have to protest about it, but there is nothing wrong in doing so. There are plenty of people here who walk around with "I support Palestince t-shirts", and there are plenty who wear "I support Israel" tshirts as well, depending on their ideological stance. It could be for religious reasons, or simply from a human rights perspective, as is the case with many.

Don't people in Tamil Nadu protest on behalf of LTTE, although it has very little to do with Indian Tamils? Why is it that when muslims do so, they are suspected to hold allegiance to Arabs?

they hold separate Personal law boards, refuse to follow Universal civil code, Population control , nor want to get educated with modern education and oppress minorities when they are majority like in Kashmir and Kerala.

Once again, stop generalizing. Most muslims I know want nothing more than to get a good education and be upwardly mobile - just like most hindus and others.

Muslims (as of now) can choose whether to rely on the muslim law board or the Indian courts, for justice. Let me state this categorically - I believe and want a uniform civil code for all Indians, regardless of religion. As long as Indian laws do not discriminate on the basis of religion, and do not suppress anybody's religious faith or expression, and do not promote anybody's religious faith or beliefs, I am all for having a uniform code.

@anonymus @Bang Galore @jamahir : Your opinion about having a uniform code? And the rest of the issues addressed here?

If they can break away from the above things i mentioned and integrate we can accept they are stakeholders if not they are just guests and we hosts.

Oh no, you don't - let me stop you right there. As I said, all your above are generalizations - but even if they weren't, even if all Indian muslims want to be regressive and uneducated and want to breed like rabbits, and are attached to Saudi Arabia - even if all those pernicious accusations are true, Indian muslims are still equal stakeholders of the nation. They are not your guests, they are not your hosts, they belong to and are part of India, whether you like it or not, whether they like it or not.

You are not kindly hosting them as your guests - the house is as much theirs, as it is yours. Your certificate of approval is not necessary for their equal stake in the country.

Partition was made based on Religion.It was made clear Bharat was for Hindus,Pakistan was for Muslims,

No. One part was made for muslims, the other part was made for anybody, regardless of their religion. You may not like it, but that is the reality - the Republic of India was not made for hindus alone. The reason many muslims willingly stayed back was because India was constituted as a country for everybody, and not specifically for hindus.

When Muslims clearly chose Pakistan?

Many did, many didn't. A very large population of muslims chose to stay back. And their descendents still live there, whether you like it or not.

Those were the terms and everyone agreed to it,its a historical fact and no amount of falsification of the founding principles of Partition can make it right.

I'm not sure where you learnt history, if you think the Republic of India was made for hindus. It wasn't. Pakistan was created as a country for muslims, and the muslims who preferred to live is a country that was for everybody, chose to stay back.

If the choice was between a country for muslims and a country for hindus, all muslims would have chosen the former, out of self interest. But to choose a country in which everybody is equal in the eyes of the state, rather than choose a country where their religion is priviledged, was a more principled and selfless choice. Don't mock their courageous choice by saying that India was made for hindus alone.

The muslims in india were left on purpose.

To demonstrate the wisdom (or otherwise) of forming Pakistan? If so, it worked - India still exists, but Pakistan could not hold together for more than 25 years.

(That's only a half serious remark. Most muslims who stayed behind were not "left behind", they chose to stay behind - no matter what the religious bigots on either side may think.)

 

[wolfschanzze]

Not for you to speak on behalf of the entire Indian muslim community. Nobody has the right to do that, not even a muslim. And in this instance, I know for a fact that you are wrong in your generalization.

I am not speaking on behalf of Muslims, i am saying how they generally are.

Not for you to speak on behalf of the entire Indian muslim community. Nobody has the right to do that, not even a muslim. And in this instance, I know for a fact that you are wrong in your generalization.

Well opinions differ,i am not the only one who says while the rest of the population are ready to follow UCC,Muslims don't.

For the same reason that Americans and British and Nordic people sometimes do - as an issue of human rights. You don't have to protest about it, but there is nothing wrong in doing so. There are plenty of people here who walk around with "I support Palestince t-shirts", and there are plenty who wear "I support Israel" tshirts as well, depending on their ideological stance. It could be for religious reasons, or simply from a human rights perspective, as is the case with many.

Don't people in Tamil Nadu protest on behalf of LTTE, although it has very little to do with Indian Tamils? Why is it that when muslims do so, they are suspected to hold allegiance to Arabs?

What human rights issues?Israel is our supporter and helped us during times of trouble, What did Palestine do?except condemning us in GCC or Islamic forums abusing us over Kashmir, why should we support them over our friend Israel? Our interests matter not some problem in middle east which is unrelated to us in anyway.

Once again, stop generalizing. Most muslims I know want nothing more than to get a good education and be upwardly mobile - just like most hindus and others.

Muslims (as of now) can choose whether to rely on the muslim law board or the Indian courts, for justice. Let me state this categorically - I believe and want a uniform civil code for all Indians, regardless of religion. As long as Indian laws do not discriminate on the basis of religion, and do not suppress anybody's religious faith or expression, and do not promote anybody's religious faith or beliefs, I am all for having a uniform code.

@anonymus @Bang Galore @jamahir : Your opinion about having a uniform code? And the rest of the issues addressed here?

You might be the exception of accepting UCC, but in general your leaders take up Cudgels when we mention UCC or integration into society.You want to maintain a separate identity,as long as that happens, you will be viewed as such.This is not the case only in Bharat,but everywhere else in the world.

Oh no, you don't - let me stop you right there. As I said, all your above are generalizations - but even if they weren't, even if all Indian muslims want to be regressive and uneducated and want to breed like rabbits, and are attached to Saudi Arabia - even if all those pernicious accusations are true, Indian muslims are still equal stakeholders of the nation. They are not your guests, they are not your hosts, they belong to and are part of India, whether you like it or not, whether they like it or not.

You are not kindly hosting them as your guests - the house is as much theirs, as it is yours. Your certificate of approval is not necessary for their equal stake in the country.

How equal stakeholders? when they fought Hindus to have a separate nation called Pakistan?and later chose not to go?How is that our problem?B.R. Ambedkar and other leaders were specific that the Partition should be complete and the Muslims should move to Pakistan completely and Hindus should migrate to Bharat completely.You fought us,rioted,kiled us and then,refused to go,what kind of logic is that?

No. One part was made for muslims, the other part was made for anybody, regardless of their religion. You may not like it, but that is the reality - the Republic of India was not made for hindus alone. The reason many muslims willingly stayed back was because India was constituted as a country for everybody, and not specifically for hindus.

Who is anybody?This nation was divided on the principle your ancestors couldnt bear to live with Hindus,So they wanted a separate Land for Muslims.Before your Ancestors came as invaders this land belongs to Hindus.So don't give me this nation belongs to everyone.

Many did, many didn't. A very large population of muslims chose to stay back. And their descendents still live there, whether you like it or not.

Well, that is not our problem if they chose to stay back, but don't expect us to give you extra rights just because you happen to be a muslim and want laws moulded according to your beliefs and learn to practise population control and get modern education instead of playing the perpetual victim card.

I'm not sure where you learnt history, if you think the Republic of India was made for hindus. It wasn't. Pakistan was created as a country for muslims, and the muslims who preferred to live is a country that was for everybody, chose to stay back.

If the choice was between a country for muslims and a country for hindus, all muslims would have chosen the former, out of self interest. But to choose a country in which everybody is equal in the eyes of the state, rather than choose a country where their religion is priviledged, was a more principled and selfless choice. Don't mock their courageous choice by saying that India was made for hindus alone.

Who are you trying to fool, The declaration of India and Pakistan was discussed in British Parliament and the treaty was signed Bharat was for Hindus,Pakistan was for Muslims.You have a warped sense of history, the archives in Britain still state the fact.
If you accept and acknowledge your Ancestors were Hindus and you don't come from a Arabic land Then i don't have any problems with acknowledging you as a Bharatiya.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

The muslims in india were left on purpose.

Oh yes to prove to the world how Indian Muslims will be different than their western counterparts in liberalizing and education and being modern.

 

[SrNair]

Congress destroyed themselves by playing secularism in a circle of minority votebank politics.IUML cant even comeout from the Malabar area.Then how can they look for another party .