A Pakistani Strategic opportunity in Iran Crisis ...

[El Sidd]

Poke our nose in avoiding US-Iran war ...

Why not start small with Yemen first?

 

[hasnainfirst]

Why not start small with Yemen first?

Yemen does'nt touch our borders , War in Yemen has no effects in Pakistan ...

 

[El Sidd]

Yemen does'nt touch our borders , War in Yemen has no effects in Pakistan ...

Its all one big war. Either go all in or all out.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

In life, if you never want to be anybody, and do anything meaningful, you will be friends with everyone. Once you start doing something meaningful and shaking things up, you will make enemies.

Only a colony has a policy of not being enemies with anyone. Sitting quietly and obediently, bowing to their masters.

Now, this policy has never gotten Pakistan anywhere either. Look at Afghanistan. What a mess. Didn't Pak try to make Abbu jan America happy? How did that work out?

Pakistan has to have a clear policy based on its needs and its strategic requirements. Pakistan's basic strategic problems are:

1. Not facing a two sided war from both the East and the West. Pak is failing this. We have Iran and Afghanistan colluding with India. Iran even sent its fighters during the 27 Feb standoff against the Pak border.

2. Developing strategic depth. Pak's enemies are becoming bigger and stronger while the Pak state remains much smaller. At some point Pak has to expand to meet this threat. The elephant in the room is that the US is becoming a strategic enemy to Pakistan.

3. Hybrid war from Afghanistan and possible from Iran.

4. Gaining access to Central Asia, from where Muslims came and our heritage lies. And what can become our virtual strategic depth via our own silk route "belt-and road initiative".

To face these challenges, if Iran is attacked and turned into a failed regime like what Syria has become, Pak has to take bold moves. This should be to create a buffer zone similar to Turkey. Against a failed Iranian regime by making Sistan-Baluchestan a buffer, and against Afghanistan by making a new FATA along the Pak border with Afghanistan.

BTW I started a similar thread here: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-need-for-greater-pakistan.619408/

Great points!!! This is the thought process of Alparslan, O’uz, Babur etc.!! Leverage Afganistan and Iran to the fullest extent possible!! Every crisis there should be turned into another great opportunity for Pak....

 

[TNT]

A US puppet Iran would be pro Israel, anti Pakistan and its relations with India will go up to another level. You can also say goodbye to the Chinese belt and road route that goes through Iran. The United States will also gain another NATO route to Afghanistan through Iran so it will no longer need to rely on Pakistan an hence Pakistan loses a leverage.

Geopolitics has nothing to do with conservatism or liberalism.

Iran already is pro india and anti Pakistan. They already collude with Afghanistan to destablize Pakistan. They also use religion to gain influence. More than 5000 Pakistani shia fighters are fighting in syria.
A weak iran is obedient to india because no one else helps it. A more liberal govt would want a balanced foreign policy and not be a puppet of india. Even if pro US, it wont go all out against Pakistan. After all, who is more pro US than saudi arabia? A liberal iran would be closer to arabs too and would be far less hostile to us.

 

[nahtanbob]

In life, if you never want to be anybody, and do anything meaningful, you will be friends with everyone. Once you start doing something meaningful and shaking things up, you will make enemies.

Only a colony has a policy of not being enemies with anyone. Sitting quietly and obediently, bowing to their masters.

Now, this policy has never gotten Pakistan anywhere either. Look at Afghanistan. What a mess. Didn't Pak try to make Abbu jan America happy? How did that work out?

Pakistan has to have a clear policy based on its needs and its strategic requirements. Pakistan's basic strategic problems are:

1. Not facing a two sided war from both the East and the West. Pak is failing this. We have Iran and Afghanistan colluding with India. Iran even sent its fighters during the 27 Feb standoff against the Pak border.

2. Developing strategic depth. Pak's enemies are becoming bigger and stronger while the Pak state remains much smaller. At some point Pak has to expand to meet this threat. The elephant in the room is that the US is becoming a strategic enemy to Pakistan.

3. Hybrid war from Afghanistan and possible from Iran.

4. Gaining access to Central Asia, from where Muslims came and our heritage lies. And what can become our virtual strategic depth via our own silk route "belt-and road initiative".

To face these challenges, if Iran is attacked and turned into a failed regime like what Syria has become, Pak has to take bold moves. This should be to create a buffer zone similar to Turkey. Against a failed Iranian regime by making Sistan-Baluchestan a buffer, and against Afghanistan by making a new FATA along the Pak border with Afghanistan.

BTW I started a similar thread here: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-need-for-greater-pakistan.619408/

In life, if you never want to be anybody, and do anything meaningful, you will be friends with everyone. Once you start doing something meaningful and shaking things up, you will make enemies.

Only a colony has a policy of not being enemies with anyone. Sitting quietly and obediently, bowing to their masters.

Now, this policy has never gotten Pakistan anywhere either. Look at Afghanistan. What a mess. Didn't Pak try to make Abbu jan America happy? How did that work out?

Pakistan has to have a clear policy based on its needs and its strategic requirements. Pakistan's basic strategic problems are:

1. Not facing a two sided war from both the East and the West. Pak is failing this. We have Iran and Afghanistan colluding with India. Iran even sent its fighters during the 27 Feb standoff against the Pak border.

2. Developing strategic depth. Pak's enemies are becoming bigger and stronger while the Pak state remains much smaller. At some point Pak has to expand to meet this threat. The elephant in the room is that the US is becoming a strategic enemy to Pakistan.

3. Hybrid war from Afghanistan and possible from Iran.

4. Gaining access to Central Asia, from where Muslims came and our heritage lies. And what can become our virtual strategic depth via our own silk route "belt-and road initiative".

To face these challenges, if Iran is attacked and turned into a failed regime like what Syria has become, Pak has to take bold moves. This should be to create a buffer zone similar to Turkey. Against a failed Iranian regime by making Sistan-Baluchestan a buffer, and against Afghanistan by making a new FATA along the Pak border with Afghanistan.

BTW I started a similar thread here: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-need-for-greater-pakistan.619408/

Iran has $50 billion in oil revenues to finance a proxy war.
how does a broke state wage a proxy war ?

 

[delta2]

Iran has $50 billion in oil revenues to finance a proxy war.
how does a broke state wage a proxy war ?

I don't know, why don't you ask America losing in Afghanistan about it?

Who financed the proxy war in Afghanistan, and how?

If it were up to me I'd do everything and anything to ensure that the Iranian Crazy Mullah Regime is removed from power. The loger they stay in power the more damage they can and will do to Pakistan.

After all Khemeni was flown in from France.

 

[Armchair]

Iran will barely have two pennies left when the US is done with it. We will hopefully just walk in and take the prize in the form of Sistan-Baluchestan. Bit like Game of Thrones.

 

[nahtanbob]

I don't know, why don't you ask America losing in Afghanistan about it?

Who financed the proxy war in Afghanistan, and how?

If it were up to me I'd do everything and anything to ensure that the Iranian Crazy Mullah Regime is removed from power. The loger they stay in power the more damage they can and will do to Pakistan.

After all Khemeni was flown in from France.

USA has power of printing press

 

[xyxmt]

A US puppet Iran would be pro Israel, anti Pakistan and its relations with India will go up to another level. You can also say goodbye to the Chinese belt and road route that goes through Iran. The United States will also gain another NATO route to Afghanistan through Iran so it will no longer need to rely on Pakistan an hence Pakistan loses a leverage.

Geopolitics has nothing to do with conservatism or liberalism.

Absolutely right, Pakistan cannot afford another US friendly country on its borders so we should do our best to keep Iran the way it is.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Iran already is pro india and anti Pakistan. They already collude with Afghanistan to destablize Pakistan. They also use religion to gain influence. More than 5000 Pakistani shia fighters are fighting in syria.
A weak iran is obedient to india because no one else helps it. A more liberal govt would want a balanced foreign policy and not be a puppet of india. Even if pro US, it wont go all out against Pakistan. After all, who is more pro US than saudi arabia? A liberal iran would be closer to arabs too and would be far less hostile to us.

A liberal Iran would be extremely secular and will have a mission to prove herself in a way other than the Molla regime. It might see the big picture....

 

[Dinky]

Iran already is pro india and anti Pakistan. They already collude with Afghanistan to destablize Pakistan. They also use religion to gain influence. More than 5000 Pakistani shia fighters are fighting in syria.
A weak iran is obedient to india because no one else helps it. A more liberal govt would want a balanced foreign policy and not be a puppet of india. Even if pro US, it wont go all out against Pakistan. After all, who is more pro US than saudi arabia? A liberal iran would be closer to arabs too and would be far less hostile to us.

Liberalism has nothing to do with geopolitics lol. There are many liberal governments in the world that are against Pakistan and support India. The US has allies and puppets who are both conservatives and liberal. If you think a puppet Iran will have an Independent policy then your wrong. The US geopolitics are about containing China and Russia, that includes its allies Pakistan and Iran and to a lesser extent Turkey.

A liberal Iran will be be hardcore against the Islamic republic of Pakistan It will be hardcore against the Taliban in Afghanistan. It will follow what Afghanistan and India are saying about Pakistan that it funds terrorism. Maybe even an Indian base in Iran

A liberal Iran would be extremely secular and will have a mission to prove herself in a way other than the Molla regime. It might see the big picture....

Yes a puppet liberal Iran will be on a mission to prove how much of a puppet it can be like Saudi Arabia and finally stand up to the Muslim Brotherhood Erdogan.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Liberalism has nothing to do with geopolitics lol. There are many liberal governments in the world that are against Pakistan and support India. The US has allies and puppets who are both conservatives and liberal. If you think a puppet Iran will have an Independent policy then your wrong. The US geopolitics are about containing China and Russia, that includes its allies Pakistan and Iran and to a lesser extent Turkey.

A liberal Iran will be be hardcore against the Islamic republic of Pakistan It will be hardcore against the Taliban in Afghanistan. It will follow what Afghanistan and India are saying about Pakistan that it funds terrorism. Maybe even an Indian base in Iran


Yes a puppet liberal Iran will be on a mission to prove how much of a puppet it can be like Saudi Arabia and finally stand up to the Muslim Brotherhood Erdogan.

Iran’s no less puppet now...

 

[CriticalThinker02]

So what ? A common Pakistani also can't name 10 cities in Saudi Arabia , it is our business , What if Iran becomes another Afghanistan ? US-Iran war will affect Pakistan too ...

We cannot afford Iranian refugees...

 

[hasnainfirst]

We cannot afford Iranian refugees...

Ofcourse we can't ... but some folks here just don't understand this